Great that will make everyone's time here easier. Looking forward to appropriate discussion of our options.

or exaggerated.

The fact that the Wall Street banks gave her enough money for short speeches to make her a very rich woman is off limits.

Making any association between receiving millions from the banks and her opposition to breaking up too big to fail banks is a blatant attack.

Any mention of Hillary's cheer leading for the Bush administration's bogus attack on Iraq will be considered to be Hillary bashing. As will her general hawkishness on foreign policy..

Oh, and please stay away from issues like single payer and the unfounded speculation that the Clinton Foundation is a money laundering ponzi scheme and you'll be just fine....

Oh, and repeat after me Bernie is a racist and a misogynist.

Every year the Democratic party loses membership. They're currently down to representing only 30% of the American public... Young people 30 and under no longer even bother to vote.. That's extreme, especially in times where the former populist Democratic party would be kicking ass!

You think it might be because the Democratic party has not only failed the poor and middle class economically, they've participated in their demise..

Time to take off the rose colored glasses my friend...

Many of them have already been sent packing, the rest will leave voluntarily and quite soon at that. Remember too that Skinner told all of us Hillary supporters to stay above the fray.

us do anything on this board than any other poster. He only seems to think he does.

"Let" us!

given that the OP him/herself was "attacking" Hillary back in '08

RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:14 PM
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230. Hillary will say ANYTHING and do ANYTHING to win. STINKING ROTTEN !!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5168167

It is a pattern with these newly minted 'lovers' of all things Clinton.

That's depressing.

SO WHAT? You don't think that after looking into the details of smear attacks they could be discovered to have been smear attacks?

Nor accept new information and change stances.

You're only allowed to LEAD from the day you are born. If you don't, then you're part of the problem.

In any large internet forum like this you will find smears, hyperbole, and idiocy among supporters of any/every candidate.

However, that does not negate the very legitimate criticisms of Hillary Clinton based on her actual record and what she says. Some of these are on critically important issues, and our disagreements with HRC are to the extent that many lifelong committed Democrats simply cannot support her in a primary which includes other candidates we deem to be much better choices to work hard for the ineterests of the 99%.

what is legitimate criticism to one, may be overblown and dismissing the reality of politics for for others. But who to support in a primary is absolutely up to each voter to decide.

*Slight edit on second sentence, did not really change the intention.

... should be the goal of intelligent discussion.

I've learned a lot from people in this forum, many of whom I've disagreed with. It can be difficult to navigate through all the threads & posts that don't contribute to intelligent discussion, but at the same time there is value to be found.

Who we choose to be the Democratic Standard bearer in 2016 is a critically important decision. We must defeat the Republican candidate for POTUS and also gain as much ground as possible in the House and Senate. Beyond electoral victory, we also need a champion for the kind of change our country desperately needs.

If we all for the most part agree on those goals but disagree on the candidate, therein lies potentially valuable discussion. Unfortunately, too often we go at each other like armies in opposing camps.

have very nice things to say about her then. Amazing how their minds have changed so completely.

Some actually called her a racist. So they are using the same tactics but have switched the players around.

no room from maturity, changing decisions based on current affairs. No siree. Better not ever change ever, because as it turns out 4, 8, 20, 50 years ago must apply to everything we do and chose to do today.

Gawd that is the most depressing throught process in the whole fucking world. Touting the idieology of don't grow, dont' progress.

Or because they have no convictions (Moderates) and drift with the prevailing winds.



Bernie doesn't have to 'evolve' because he is right.

First. Bernie has authored two very nasty mysogynistic pieces. Since you so succintly state that "Bernie doesn't have to 'evolve' because he is right." are you telling me still believes those heinous things and that he hasn't moved beyond women fantisizing about gang rape and that orgasms would cure cancer?

Second, any and all elected officials should be representing the will of the people, the constituency. It's not for the Elected Official to hammer home and create a dictatorship to implement his personal desires and ideas. That Official must evolve and represent the evolution of the pulic whom he claims to represent.

You are more correct when you say, "People 'evolve'.... because they...drift with the prevailing winds." The winds being the will of the people.

Maybe Bernie supporters are not the ones who are out of step at DU? And maybe y'all should give the scoldings and directives a rest? Maybe DU's minority should stop trying to control the posts of DU's majority?

In any event, OP's like this one have been singularly ineffective. If Hillary supporters make some hyperbolic claim that is misleading or wrong or inconsistent with her actions, we're probably going to refute it, even if you post one of these every ten minutes.

as if no one read that the Bernie group have been given the edict of rec swarming posts to get them on the greatest page? Really, you either forgot, or are hoping everyone else would forget. oh and BTW, when 85% of DU are currently Bernie supporter for real or trolling, those recs are meaning less and less.

and pointing out how she has evolved on so many things for at least the time being is not an attack. calling a person a "socialist" in quotes is as the way to correctly state it is democratic socialist but that would not be an attack on him, the hypocrisy makes me sad.

Pointing out the negatives in Clinton's record and positions is very relevant and should be encouraged.

"We came, we saw, he died"s supporters object to even videos of Hillary speaking when it's things they don't want to be remembered......

I believe she compared the "attacks" on Hillary. Try reading that again. Hope this helps.

I read it, that the anti Hillary crowd's screed are like dried crusty pooh.

Not so good when compared to liberal Democrats.

when she gets her head out of the ass of the Republican agenda...or retires and drops out of this primary.

No Hillary Presidency ever!!

Quite a change of opinion there.

Hillary Clinton might be BRILLIANT and STRONG, but she is neither PROGRESSIVE nor EXTREMELY QUALIFIED.

Foreign policy -- often touted as one of her great qualifications -- is the biggest reason she lost my vote. There is no excuse for her jumping on GW's war wagon to Iraq. She showed incredibly poor judgment in the most important decision of her senate career, whereas the speech Bernie Sanders gave before the war proved to be spot-on. If Mrs. Clinton had shown any indication since then that she's learned how counterproductive and costly our military interventions in the Middle East are, I might have reconsidered, but she's still a hawk.

Poor judgment in the most critically important matters of war and peace is a disqualifier in my book.

But frankly, we've had such a weird influx of hate into the site the last few years it wouldn't surprise me to be an honest position. It's like the mask was just torn off for a moment.

And how pathetic is that?

if you can't be impartial then you need to get t f off the jury or abstain. A post like that in the past would warrant a pizza delivery.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's satire. Leave it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTT, and I say this as a Bernie supporter.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Neutral voter. This is OTT.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Horrible OP. I have to think the poster knew this was over the top and is testing the jury system. This level of vitriol is unacceptable. Disagree with a candidate if you wish, but there is absolutely no reason to spew this kind of hatred for fellow Democrats.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Okay, this person has lost it. Hide
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disgusting beyond belief and completely inappropriate for a Democratic message board.

My Democratic

sat·ire

noun

the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

Someone on the jury doesn't get it.

because no one in their right mind would say Hillary is Progressive or extremely qualified.You will have to ask Bill about the Brililant part

unless their main goal is to irritate Hillary supporters. In that case, they're "successful", when it comes to helping Bernie win the nomination, it's a great big fail.

not bc of Bern but his supporters

thanks for illustrating my point!

That's how I determine who to vote for as well. Damn the issues, how can their followers polish my apple or fluff my pillow.

will you quit lying about us if we quit telling the truth about you?

sorry, no deal

Clinton as progresive

Bernie and his supporters have been called sexist and racists by clinton supporters.

Pointing out her record and why we as liberals or progressive isn't attacking her.But,i expect that from supporter of cadiate who tried to smear bernie as wanting to end medicare.

Clinton supporters are like how dare anyone stand In Clinton's war or critize her in anyway

"Hillary Clinton supporting the Iraq War was a good idea."

"Hillary taking money from Big drug companies will result in cheaper prices."

"Hillary taking money from the the fossil fuel industries will result in a cleaner environment."

"If Hillary does not take money from Wall Steet the terrorists win."

Feel better?

Changing one word of one of your sentences expresses my feelings on this issue - I think that these non-stop attacks on Bernie are getting truly ridiculous and very, very old.
For the record, I do not ever want to think about Paul Le Page's underwear.

She continues to surge because:

1. She has more name recognition
2. She is the wife of a popular president
3. The DNC may be pressuring other Dems to endorse her (emphasis on MAY)
4. DWS limited debates and scheduled them to limit viewership.
5. Many people who support her may not appreciate her history, potential to pay back donors at the expense of the rest of us, and/or allow her to say one thing yet do another.
6. She is the darling of the corporate media who want to maintain the status quo.
7. Is a female who acts "presidential" which may be enough reason to vote for her to some of her supporters.
8. And we still have a society that tends to vote against their best interests

Now each of these things in and of themselves may not be much, but combined with an ignorant electorate makes for quite an advantage.

than there are actual attacks on Hillary. I will ask you like I asked 3 other Hillary supporters to provide the links of the attacks. They came up with bupkiss. I also looked came up with bupkiss. I do however find about 3 posts like this every single day.

in the big swirling cesspool of "Hillary Hate" on the internet. These Bernie folks are armatures anyway. After Super Tuesday, they will be forced to shut up on sites like these that have "rules", or they will migrate to Right Wing sites because the hate is so strong in them that they will have to continue to make mischief.

Hillary Clinton is going to win the Presidency in 2016 against far more formidable foes than the far left of her own party.

unless they change the rules.

I'll be posting every single day during her General Election run!!!!

the Democratic party or it's front runner in the primaries. But making up scenarios in which Bernie Sanders wins the nomination is just going too far! I mean, get rational!

I don't think anyone who saw that ever forgot one word of it or the spirit in which it was uttered.

Khan was from a race of 'supermen' and a tyrant on Earth determined to rule the galaxy and force untold millions of his 'inferiors' to bow to his greatness.

The man could not help but be what he was, only one dimension. And so an end.

for the mental image re: LePenguin. (I'm in Bangor)

and plan to vote for her if she gets to the general. But for you to call her a "progressive", I'm sure is one reason for the negative comments from others. She is NOT a progressive.

And yes, your governor is nuts!

the most progressive candidate? Seriously? Sometimes I think HRC supporters are living in alternate universe.

this op is nothing but an attack on Bernie and his political ideology. You've failed to provide any facts about Clinton other than pure conjecture about how awesome you think she is. Therefore your op is the perfect example of projection. Attacking without providing any facts to back up your candidates stance.

On Election Day I'll be voting for the most progressive candidate I've ever had the opportunity to elect and I could care less that he labels himself a socialist. Those obsessed with attacking sander's supporters she be spending their time touting there own candidates positivity with facts instead of constantly crying for the big bad wolf of socialism. It wreaks of Fox News. Seriously
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Most decent and normal people have no knowledge of what your governor's underwear condition is. Seems rather strange that you would.

Give it up, Hillarians.

Sen. Sanders is THE only genuine progressive contesting for the Democratic nomination for president (O'Malley comes in second).

However, I actually am finding the exposure of Hillary's inconsistencies, her flip-flops, her rightward tilt, etc., to be quite edifying and helpful in my non-DU discussions about the race.

So, keep it up Bernie fans!

Can we please stop this Halloween costume changing all the time already? Apparently now anybody is whoa Dem is suddenly a "progressive".

Her stances and her points of view say she is center right along with her constant flip flopping. We've been down this road a gazillion times and you know the routine. From defending DOMA to Iraq war to not wanting a living wage.

Stop it.

8 Years after supply side collapsed the economy.

She says she is a 'Moderate" whatever that is. I have yet to find a single supporter of hers who can explain the ideology of "Moderates".

'Moderate' is a buzz word for 'ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE'.

This just fails on so many levels.Its kind of creepy.Your obsession with socialism and underwear

she shouldn't be running. The attacks are based on her "evolving" on virtually every issue progressive voters care about.
If you feel her record is spotless and we should not even questioning her, than you obviously should be moving to a nation like Russia for example - there no one "attacks" Putin.