2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary is most accurate on climate science!!
Actually, ALL our candidates do pretty well, but Hillary is at the top of the heap, and Bernie at the bottom. But all the D's are MUCH better than the R's (no surprise)
[link:http://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-climate-science-most-gop-candidates-080125499--election.html|
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Only SOME PARTS of the earth will be uninhabitable.....
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Some parts of the Earth are uninhabitable NOW, or only habitable with massive technological intervention.
Having said that, I think all the D's are right up there. But I did find it amusing that Hillary was top dog in that pack.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)We can live anywhere in the world, and even in space.
The question is, how long could we sustain that, and for how many people.
So, sure, some parts of the earth will remain habitable.
Just not for you or me.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Some sturdy species will survive after we fuck ourselves to kingdom come.
msrizzo
(796 posts)Scientists don't like that.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)There are exact sciences, and there are inexact sciences. And even the world of exact sciences is littered with the graveyards of scrapped theories.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)blamed the Democrats for the Iraq War.
xocet
(3,871 posts)responsible for the war. Do you believe that Hillary (even after all her experience in being around politics and politicians) did not understand what Bush intended to enact? Bush behaved exactly as many people thought he would. How could Hillary have possibly been blind to Bush's intentions? Why should she be given a pass for her vote?
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)The war simply would not have happened were it not for GWB and his wacked out lying administration. When the Dems were making the decisions they had Sadaam bottled up and he wasn't a threat to us or to our allies.
The truth is that to blame the democrats actually lets the pukes off for their lies and incompetence. I will not do that.
xocet
(3,871 posts)None of what you have written actually explicitly defends Hillary. You conflate the individual with the party, and seem to want to imply that Hillary should get credit for the decisions that were made by others long before she were actually in office. Then you refer back to the conflation of party and individual and state that that somehow allows the Republicans who voted for the war and who conducted the war off the hook.
Hillary is not wholly responsible for the Iraq war, but she is partially responsible.
Do you really only see politicians as taking up positions for a 'team' which is the party?
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)"Enough! (stomps off...) nt"
It is pretty bold to call people haters when they simply disagree. That would be like calling mere jaywalkers war criminals. Oh well.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)It is an ignorant phrase because it paints all disagreements even minor ones as being based on emotion instead of examining what may well be worthwhile differences of opinion where a consensus could possibly be reached if an attempt is made.
Hillary is a fine politician who made a disastrous choice when she had a chance to stand up. There is no doubt that she is the best qualified candidate for the presidency in terms of her extraordinarily broad, political career and experience.
But shouldn't politicians at least try to stand up for what is right? For all we know, if Hillary would have stood up against the Iraq war, she would likely have been elected president in 2008.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)a unified message to UN and Iraq to get weapons inspectors in there or face military action. I couldn't believe that the Bush boy actually invaded when he did. Nope, based on what she knew at the time, it was the best vote. Based on what Bush did with it, it was a mistake. But based on where she is today, I think its clear that that Americans don't blame her and neither do I.
I responded again because another thread with the topic of the OP was started. But I do not care to continue discussing this topic.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I would think you would care if only because it shows that she lacked common sense, I mean really? Lying about an event you KNOW there is film of? That is so arrogant as to be just plain stupid.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Or maybe she was saying snipes are like ducks
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Personally I agree with him, but not due to temperature per se. I think that oceanic acidification will do us in.
I don't know if those effects are even able to be modeled in a realistic way.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Now though I'd like to see how the candidates are graded on their proposals for what to do about it, not just describing the threat it poses.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)
Cruz and Carson, who supposedly are highly intelligent, apparently didn't do their homework.
Shockingly, Jeb and Cristie did the best among the bottom feeders.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that the establishment candidates conveniently scored at the top, while the outsiders are at the bottom of their respective parties.
call me a ct all you want, but i doubt its an accident.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and the ones being propped up by party leaders and big money. its clear that tbtb want clinton, rubio, bush, walker (gone now of course)
carson, trump, sanders, and fiorina are the ones running against the current system. they all got interestingly low scores
just an observation......
There is a notable shelf below the D's.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)My guess is that all the Dems are not statistically separable, but the Republicans are.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i call him the one with the courage to say it like it is
http://thebulletin.org/two-degrees-climate-change-may-be-too-much8731
sonofspy777
(360 posts)knows more about how to get money from fossil fuel producers....
Persondem
(1,936 posts)"A kindergartener knows more about climate change than Ted Cruz."
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