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Hillary is most accurate on climate science!! (Original Post) Adrahil Nov 2015 OP
Bernie was dinged for saying global warming could make the earth uninhabitable.... When in reality peacebird Nov 2015 #1
true. But.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #2
I guess they don't take off points for being proFracking or supporting the extractive fuel industry peacebird Nov 2015 #6
Technically, there are no parts of the Earth that are uninhabitable now; given the right technology Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #10
What Bernie meant was uninhabitable for humans which is different Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #3
Bernie's statement was imprecise. msrizzo Nov 2015 #4
How would you have said it precisely? nt Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #11
There is a lot of imprecision in science Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #14
The problem with overstating it, is that he overstated it nt. BootinUp Nov 2015 #5
Was Hillary imprecise when she described ducking sniper fire at the airport? Or just lying? peacebird Nov 2015 #7
Its not a question that anyone but Hillary haters care about. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #8
Like that Iraq war vote she cast...? n/t xocet Nov 2015 #17
Hillary explained it more than once. Read her own words. I personally, have never BootinUp Nov 2015 #18
The people who voted for the war are the ones (in addition to Bush et al) who are xocet Nov 2015 #19
I don't find that argument compelling. BootinUp Nov 2015 #22
Which part of "the people who voted for the war and Bush" equates with blaming "the Democrats"? xocet Nov 2015 #23
Enough. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #24
That clearly indicates that you cannot defend your position against a simple argument. xocet Nov 2015 #25
Take it however you want. Stop highjacking threads. BootinUp Nov 2015 #26
It is not up to my interpretation. Haters gonna hate, right? Or is that an ignorant phrase? xocet Nov 2015 #33
She did. Based on the information she had she voted to send BootinUp Nov 2015 #35
No one cares that she lied about coming under sniper fire for an event she knew was filmed? peacebird Nov 2015 #20
No. No one cares about that. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #21
Maybe she meant she was ducking snipes Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #9
I doubt that was all he was dinged for hootinholler Nov 2015 #16
She deserves credit for making accurate statements Kentonio Nov 2015 #12
An interesting graphic: Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #13
i feel compelled to point out restorefreedom Nov 2015 #30
What exactly is an "establishment candidate"? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #32
the ones the msm and the corporate world like restorefreedom Nov 2015 #34
Yes. Adrahil Nov 2015 #36
It would be interested to do a mean separation (or its equivalent) on the scores Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #38
Good to know. Thanks! (nt) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #15
One of the 'scientists' gave Bush 100! I wonder how he scored Bernie? immoderate Nov 2015 #27
yes, i shared an observation in #13 that is similar. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #31
I call a wee bit of bullshit! TM99 Nov 2015 #28
some have called bernie an alarmist restorefreedom Nov 2015 #29
Well she ceratainly sonofspy777 Nov 2015 #37
I saw the article. I got a kick out of this line (iirc) .... Persondem Nov 2015 #39

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. Bernie was dinged for saying global warming could make the earth uninhabitable.... When in reality
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:50 AM
Nov 2015

Only SOME PARTS of the earth will be uninhabitable.....

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
2. true. But....
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:52 AM
Nov 2015

Some parts of the Earth are uninhabitable NOW, or only habitable with massive technological intervention.

Having said that, I think all the D's are right up there. But I did find it amusing that Hillary was top dog in that pack.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
6. I guess they don't take off points for being proFracking or supporting the extractive fuel industry
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:20 AM
Nov 2015

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
10. Technically, there are no parts of the Earth that are uninhabitable now; given the right technology
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:44 AM
Nov 2015

We can live anywhere in the world, and even in space.

The question is, how long could we sustain that, and for how many people.

So, sure, some parts of the earth will remain habitable.

Just not for you or me.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
3. What Bernie meant was uninhabitable for humans which is different
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:01 AM
Nov 2015

Some sturdy species will survive after we fuck ourselves to kingdom come.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
14. There is a lot of imprecision in science
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:15 AM
Nov 2015

There are exact sciences, and there are inexact sciences. And even the world of exact sciences is littered with the graveyards of scrapped theories.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
18. Hillary explained it more than once. Read her own words. I personally, have never
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:26 AM
Nov 2015

blamed the Democrats for the Iraq War.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
19. The people who voted for the war are the ones (in addition to Bush et al) who are
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

responsible for the war. Do you believe that Hillary (even after all her experience in being around politics and politicians) did not understand what Bush intended to enact? Bush behaved exactly as many people thought he would. How could Hillary have possibly been blind to Bush's intentions? Why should she be given a pass for her vote?

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
22. I don't find that argument compelling.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

The war simply would not have happened were it not for GWB and his wacked out lying administration. When the Dems were making the decisions they had Sadaam bottled up and he wasn't a threat to us or to our allies.

The truth is that to blame the democrats actually lets the pukes off for their lies and incompetence. I will not do that.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
23. Which part of "the people who voted for the war and Bush" equates with blaming "the Democrats"?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:41 PM
Nov 2015

None of what you have written actually explicitly defends Hillary. You conflate the individual with the party, and seem to want to imply that Hillary should get credit for the decisions that were made by others long before she were actually in office. Then you refer back to the conflation of party and individual and state that that somehow allows the Republicans who voted for the war and who conducted the war off the hook.

Hillary is not wholly responsible for the Iraq war, but she is partially responsible.

Do you really only see politicians as taking up positions for a 'team' which is the party?

xocet

(3,871 posts)
25. That clearly indicates that you cannot defend your position against a simple argument.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

"Enough! (stomps off...) nt"

It is pretty bold to call people haters when they simply disagree. That would be like calling mere jaywalkers war criminals. Oh well.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
33. It is not up to my interpretation. Haters gonna hate, right? Or is that an ignorant phrase?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

It is an ignorant phrase because it paints all disagreements even minor ones as being based on emotion instead of examining what may well be worthwhile differences of opinion where a consensus could possibly be reached if an attempt is made.

Hillary is a fine politician who made a disastrous choice when she had a chance to stand up. There is no doubt that she is the best qualified candidate for the presidency in terms of her extraordinarily broad, political career and experience.

But shouldn't politicians at least try to stand up for what is right? For all we know, if Hillary would have stood up against the Iraq war, she would likely have been elected president in 2008.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
35. She did. Based on the information she had she voted to send
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

a unified message to UN and Iraq to get weapons inspectors in there or face military action. I couldn't believe that the Bush boy actually invaded when he did. Nope, based on what she knew at the time, it was the best vote. Based on what Bush did with it, it was a mistake. But based on where she is today, I think its clear that that Americans don't blame her and neither do I.

I responded again because another thread with the topic of the OP was started. But I do not care to continue discussing this topic.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
20. No one cares that she lied about coming under sniper fire for an event she knew was filmed?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:09 PM
Nov 2015

I would think you would care if only because it shows that she lacked common sense, I mean really? Lying about an event you KNOW there is film of? That is so arrogant as to be just plain stupid.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
16. I doubt that was all he was dinged for
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

Personally I agree with him, but not due to temperature per se. I think that oceanic acidification will do us in.

I don't know if those effects are even able to be modeled in a realistic way.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
12. She deserves credit for making accurate statements
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:53 AM
Nov 2015

Now though I'd like to see how the candidates are graded on their proposals for what to do about it, not just describing the threat it poses.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. An interesting graphic:
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:10 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)



Cruz and Carson, who supposedly are highly intelligent, apparently didn't do their homework.

Shockingly, Jeb and Cristie did the best among the bottom feeders.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
30. i feel compelled to point out
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:11 PM
Nov 2015

that the establishment candidates conveniently scored at the top, while the outsiders are at the bottom of their respective parties.

call me a ct all you want, but i doubt its an accident.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
34. the ones the msm and the corporate world like
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:22 PM
Nov 2015

and the ones being propped up by party leaders and big money. its clear that tbtb want clinton, rubio, bush, walker (gone now of course)

carson, trump, sanders, and fiorina are the ones running against the current system. they all got interestingly low scores

just an observation......

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
38. It would be interested to do a mean separation (or its equivalent) on the scores
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

My guess is that all the Dems are not statistically separable, but the Republicans are.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
39. I saw the article. I got a kick out of this line (iirc) ....
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:37 PM
Nov 2015

"A kindergartener knows more about climate change than Ted Cruz."

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