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mmonk

(52,589 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:16 PM Nov 2015

Stockholm syndrome? Yes.

Not a particular people or group. The nation as a whole. The leading candidates of both parties do not want to reregulate the Wall Street entities that collapsed the international economy in 2008. This in spite of the fact the public bailed out the culprits while suffering great setbacks. Yes, Stockholm syndrome. Or a deep unawareness.

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Stockholm syndrome? Yes. (Original Post) mmonk Nov 2015 OP
It's deep unawareness pinebox Nov 2015 #1
W won probably mainly because of a lot of cheating and crooked planning on the part Cal33 Nov 2015 #44
It goes hand in hand with the white supremacy that runs giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #2
It's worse than that, I am afraid. Manipulation, fear, the media, nationalism, NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #3
True. mmonk Nov 2015 #5
Stockholm Syndrome: 1.feelings of trust or affection felt in certain cases of kidnapping or hostage- Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #4
Like what choice? mmonk Nov 2015 #6
"Like what choice?" NCTraveler Nov 2015 #7
I will make that choice. mmonk Nov 2015 #10
No one ever said you did have a syndrome. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #12
I and my family suffered. You want to mmonk Nov 2015 #15
Now I have no clue what you are talking about. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #16
I haven't moved anywhere. If nothing else, mmonk Nov 2015 #17
You left out two very important options. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #19
Getting screwed doesn't require brilliance. mmonk Nov 2015 #20
I miss where you are getting screwed. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #22
Lost a lot in 2008. The problem mmonk Nov 2015 #31
Moved around again. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #36
Read the op and you will see mmonk Nov 2015 #45
Each individual makes choices of who they support. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #8
Okay, do you think the Unions are supporting Hillary over a jwirr Nov 2015 #29
Because they are Afaid? Prove that. Otherwise you are accusing unions of someting Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #34
What the leaders of unions are doing is working against their jwirr Nov 2015 #39
Union leades are members. You accused them of being afraid of Hillary Clinton. Prove it. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #41
The Flip Wilson excuse? The Devil Made Me Do It? MADem Nov 2015 #14
If I won' vote for a candidate in the primary it is because that candidate is not the Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #37
Are you on a mobile device? MADem Nov 2015 #46
I appologize. Yes, I was on my phone earlier. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #48
Sorry but no. Analysis is not "everyone except me realizes stuff." Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #9
This. A thousand times this. Codeine Nov 2015 #23
One of my pet peeves. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #24
Please differentiate between what conservatives are Hortensis Nov 2015 #11
I don't have to as most people can tell. mmonk Nov 2015 #13
Nope. It's no more true for our nation than those cheering Hortensis Nov 2015 #32
Agreed when many people outright admit that they are jwirr Nov 2015 #18
I'm not afraid to do so. mmonk Nov 2015 #21
I don't think I am but I am not sure about my own feelings. jwirr Nov 2015 #28
This is messed up ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #25
There are three possibilities. ibegurpard Nov 2015 #26
How about because her specific policies address the problem more thoroughly than his? Rose Siding Nov 2015 #51
Republican congress upaloopa Nov 2015 #27
That falls under the Stockholm Syndrome possibility ibegurpard Nov 2015 #30
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #33
so much bullshit Sheepshank Nov 2015 #35
you support one ibegurpard Nov 2015 #38
even more unsupported bullshit trying to be passed off as a clever comeback Sheepshank Nov 2015 #40
Sure. mmonk Nov 2015 #42
No. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #43
Just. Stop. Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #47
Stop trying to make Stockholm syndrome happen. It's not going to happen. betsuni Nov 2015 #49
+1 bravenak Nov 2015 #50
I love you. Seriously. Number23 Nov 2015 #52
 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
44. W won probably mainly because of a lot of cheating and crooked planning on the part
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

of the Republicans. Unawareness also plays a role, of course.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
2. It goes hand in hand with the white supremacy that runs
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:20 PM
Nov 2015

rampant across both the justice & political system & crosses party lines.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
3. It's worse than that, I am afraid. Manipulation, fear, the media, nationalism,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:21 PM
Nov 2015

many other isms. Not our finest hour, that's for sure.

Just looking at CNN running weeks worth of huge font fear headlines. Listened to Diane Rehm on my chores this morning - no awareness of the role the media plays in misinforming the public. And worse.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. Stockholm Syndrome: 1.feelings of trust or affection felt in certain cases of kidnapping or hostage-
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:21 PM
Nov 2015

-taking by a victim toward a captor.

No, it is not Stockholm Syndrome.

It is called individual choice.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. "Like what choice?"
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

Like the choice between O'Malley, Sanders, and Clinton. While I personally think O'Malley and Clinton are the only two serious options, no one is taking anything from Sanders.

The choice is between three candidates.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
10. I will make that choice.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:56 PM
Nov 2015

But what if the party organizational choice wins? I don't have the syndrome.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. No one ever said you did have a syndrome.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders supporters have claimed POC are suffering from Stockholm if they support Clinton. Now you are saying it is just her supporters in general? I wish you knew how offensive you are.

Who are you trying to say has a syndrome? Me? I have something to tell you if that is the case.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
15. I and my family suffered. You want to
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:08 PM
Nov 2015

know what's offensive? People who say they have my best interests at heart and don't fix it. That's light years more offensive I could ever be nor want to be.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. Now I have no clue what you are talking about.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:11 PM
Nov 2015

You are just moving all around. But you got to throw the word Stockholm out there so job well done.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
17. I haven't moved anywhere. If nothing else,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:25 PM
Nov 2015

I'm consistent. At least I left the option out there of unawareness.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. You left out two very important options.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

Is it you and people who vote similar to you who are suffering from Stockholm or are just unaware?

See, you left only the possibility of your brilliance, while everyone else must be suffering from something.

You are simply pointing fingers and claiming you "left options out there." You didn't put options in for the other four fingers and you point and wag at others from the mountaintop.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
8. Each individual makes choices of who they support.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

Wall street does not take us hostage or put a cap in our knees if we don't go along and neither does the anti-wall street candidate.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. Okay, do you think the Unions are supporting Hillary over a
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Nov 2015

known union supporter because they are afraid he cannot win or because they just do not understand? I talk to a lot of voters and they think the system is rigged and she is going to win OR we are going to lose the general. They are hostages to propaganda.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
34. Because they are Afaid? Prove that. Otherwise you are accusing unions of someting
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

that has no basis in fact.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. What the leaders of unions are doing is working against their
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:44 PM
Nov 2015

own interests - $15 hour wages, TPP, etc. Why would they do that? When I say they are afraid it is not a physical fear - it is a fear of losing and then not being able to work with the winner unless they worked for her/his election. Fear in this case is not illogical but it is not going to win them anything but more trouble.

As to the people I talked with some are union and they all tell me that they think Bernie is right but their unions endorse Hillary. You may be right but the left has gotten beat a lot lately. And that is what they are thinking.

What is a logical answer to why they would vote against their own needs? If you can answer that we will both have the proof you are asking for. BTW I was calling the union leaders afraid, not the members.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
41. Union leades are members. You accused them of being afraid of Hillary Clinton. Prove it.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

Otherwise, quit insulting union members.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. The Flip Wilson excuse? The Devil Made Me Do It?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

You are a free agent and your vote is your own.

If you are listening to "Don't vote for him, he's a radical and has no chance," then that argument is resonating with you to some extent. It might be troubling to you, but you've only yourself to look to for that unease.

You'll have to place your "blame" on your very own thought process, for hearing the argument and finding some validity in it.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
37. If I won' vote for a candidate in the primary it is because that candidate is not the
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

best choice of what I want and expect in a candidate.

I have my own list of policies and factors that I apply to a candidate. I make up my own mind.

So your argument that I am somehow under some mystic magical evil eye spell is wrong.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. Are you on a mobile device?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:35 PM
Nov 2015
My remarks were a reply to mmonk. There is no "argument" directed at you, since I wasn't talking to you in the first place.
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. This. A thousand times this.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

Assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you or prioritizes differently that you is lacking awareness or intellectual sophistication is a piss-poor way to understand anything.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
24. One of my pet peeves.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

It always seems to lead to people feeling that they are one of the elect who have special insight, which leads to CT type scenarios.

I'm sure those are waiting in the wings.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Please differentiate between what conservatives are
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015

and what others are. You'll find what you're discussing particularly among authoritarian conservatives, which to some degree is most of them, but strong conservatives are almost (not entirely) practically synonymous with strong authoritarian attachment and obedience to recognized authorities. As hijackers may become.

That LIBERALS ARE NOT prone to this behavior, though, is key. WE DON'T DO THAT.

Extremists on both sides may also attach themselves in an irrational way or degree to a particular leader also, as we sometimes see during elections.

But LIBERALS DON'T DO THAT. To diminish this particular behavior, encourage both liberalism and rational, open thinking in education, culture, and leadership. Oh, yes, and especially in ourselves.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Nope. It's no more true for our nation than those cheering
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

Trump for saying his supporters were right to best up a protester are like all of us.

That kind of person does that. People like me do not.

You know what's in you, of course. Just do not confuse yourself with "America."

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. Agreed when many people outright admit that they are
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

afraid to vote for a candidate they believe is right then yes, Stockholm Syndrome.

Personally I am going to feel more lost if we lose a primary election because we are afraid to fight.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
26. There are three possibilities.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

This, ignorance, or people actually support conservative policy. These are the only possibilities.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
51. How about because her specific policies address the problem more thoroughly than his?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:17 PM
Nov 2015

Google economic Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman and Hillary's plan better.

Nah, can't be that

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
30. That falls under the Stockholm Syndrome possibility
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:54 PM
Nov 2015

"Only I can protect you from the Republicans"...no matter that her policy is warmed over 80s Republican supply side shit.

Response to mmonk (Original post)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
35. so much bullshit
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:29 PM
Nov 2015

.....all because you don't like others' choices.

I don't know of anyone here that sympathizes with the poor unfortunate commercial mega bankers.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
40. even more unsupported bullshit trying to be passed off as a clever comeback
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:47 PM
Nov 2015

hint, clever comebacks only work when there is a moducum of universal truth in them.

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