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Bernie Sanders Mic drop. (Original Post) kpete Nov 2015 OP
Abso-frick'n-lutely. SoapBox Nov 2015 #1
that's why he's the man. and actually it is. we're all overdrawn roguevalley Nov 2015 #2
So True. Biologist Edwin O. Wilson has argued this throughout his career (about 6 decades) sorechasm Nov 2015 #20
Boom! Good one! bvf Nov 2015 #3
saaaaa nap! nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #4
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #5
That's an old meme MaggieD Nov 2015 #6
Cue the sad trombone Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #7
How 'bout the dancin' trombone? pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #28
That was wonderful! Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #38
Yeah......Neumeister is a monster player. pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #39
but still effective. Javaman Nov 2015 #8
Okay... and that makes it less relevant how exactly? Bubzer Nov 2015 #9
It's just typical wet blanket stuff Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #11
Yup Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #21
How is a sarcastic quip relevant? Chico Man Nov 2015 #31
... Bubzer Nov 2015 #45
Uuuuuht-Oh! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #15
And so now Clinton supporters are gonna start rollin' coal just cause of it, right? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #16
Nah, I just wouldn't put it out there MaggieD Nov 2015 #18
There are no new ideas... just new ways to implement old ones. Bubzer Nov 2015 #43
Prove it Kalidurga Nov 2015 #27
+1 Bubzer Nov 2015 #44
... BeanMusical Nov 2015 #35
Needs to be said over and over. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #10
+1 Bubzer Nov 2015 #46
We need a president who values the environment over the big banks. senz Nov 2015 #12
K and R bigwillq Nov 2015 #13
Kick! hifiguy Nov 2015 #14
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #17
boom goes the dynomite! blackspade Nov 2015 #19
I still say Bernie Sanders has the momentum going his way and Hillary people are nervous INdemo Nov 2015 #22
Bernie Supporters Ignored in Parade Rockyj Nov 2015 #23
Establishment media ___. Unfair, deliberate and anti democratic. I'm making a note... appalachiablue Nov 2015 #25
K & R. Boom, Bamalam! appalachiablue Nov 2015 #24
It is a bank .... and it should be saved ... Trajan Nov 2015 #26
To me, It is the most important investment one can make. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #34
oh no he di int!!! retrowire Nov 2015 #29
These sort of quips don't really do it for me Chico Man Nov 2015 #30
I wonder how long until you get it... Indydem Nov 2015 #32
I'm thrilled the economy was saved! Ilsa Nov 2015 #33
No, all those programs only saved the elite upper crust fasttense Nov 2015 #37
that's not the point Dcoast Nov 2015 #41
You're overlooking important details... and TARP has very little to do with keynesian economics. Bubzer Nov 2015 #47
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #36
sadly true. niyad Nov 2015 #40
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #42

sorechasm

(631 posts)
20. So True. Biologist Edwin O. Wilson has argued this throughout his career (about 6 decades)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:57 PM
Nov 2015

Biodiversity, Latent Energy, unique genomes, endangered species, these are all environmental banks that are super stressed right now. The planet is willing to loan and share from this bank as long as it is allowed to reproduce and diversify. Unfortunately, one species keeps drawing loans without any intention to pay off its debts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson

I suspect E.O. Wilson would welcome Bernie's interpretation.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
3. Boom! Good one!
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:55 PM
Nov 2015

Sure as shit some idiot(s) will attempt to "fact-check" this.

Most likely the "expert" who scored Bush 100% on.his climate change comments.

Always good to see him coming out swinging. He gave Clinton an excellent opportunity to act like an adult early on, and she fucked it up. Wait for fresh hair-on-fire screeches about "attacks."


 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
18. Nah, I just wouldn't put it out there
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:38 PM
Nov 2015

.... As some brilliant quote by Bernie. Anyone can tweet out an Internet meme. What cracks me up is that he tweeted like he thought of it.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
43. There are no new ideas... just new ways to implement old ones.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

The brilliance of that quote comes from being consistent with his stance and his campaign... not from being new or unique.

"he tweeted like he thought of it" - No, you interpreted it that way. I'm certain there's not even a hint of suggestion that he claims it to be his original idea. But feel free to provide whatever proof you have to the contrary.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
12. We need a president who values the environment over the big banks.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

And we need him SOON. Before it's too late.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
22. I still say Bernie Sanders has the momentum going his way and Hillary people are nervous
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:19 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:23 AM - Edit history (1)

The reason for the attack dogs from the campaign on here..

Go Bernie
We are going to win this thing !!!!

Rockyj

(538 posts)
23. Bernie Supporters Ignored in Parade
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:32 AM
Nov 2015
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Please contact this station! Its so BS what they did!

appalachiablue

(41,143 posts)
25. Establishment media ___. Unfair, deliberate and anti democratic. I'm making a note...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:41 AM
Nov 2015

Would it help to make this an OP & X-Post in the MD-DC-VA Groups here? WJLA/ABC really needs quick feedback about this before Thursday. They really screwed up.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
26. It is a bank .... and it should be saved ...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

The shared resources for all species on earth ... It should never be wasted or squandered ...

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
34. To me, It is the most important investment one can make.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:14 AM
Nov 2015

Some think our children need a debt free, financially secure future which they say they can achieve by massive, thoughtless, pointless growth and more tax cuts.

I just think they want one with food and semi-dependable growing seasons. You know, those things that allowed us to evolve over millions of years into the glorious testament to progress we are and the one thing more thoughtless growth will assure they never experience.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
30. These sort of quips don't really do it for me
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:46 AM
Nov 2015

Yeah, I get it. Bank, environment, hahaha. Clever, cheap, ineffective.



 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
32. I wonder how long until you get it...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:50 AM
Nov 2015

The TARP program, bank bailouts, etc. SAVED THE ECONOMY. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

THE PROGRAM MADE MONEY!

It is Keseyan economics in effect. How many of you Sandernistas are too ignorant to realize that the bailout is exactly what you want, but your deep seated hatred for banks and business have you completely blinded?

Tarp made $13.5 Billion dollars, paid back to the US treasury.

The EPA budget in the meantime has been $56 Billion.

We spent more saving the environment than bailing out banks.

Logic and math win again.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
33. I'm thrilled the economy was saved!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:10 AM
Nov 2015

I wish there had been more programs for the rest of us that lost jobs, homes, half of their life's savings, not just the banks. Sure, the govt made money. That hasn't restored my beaten down 401(k).

Yes, more money has been spent on the EPA. And yet we are still losing species, dealing with corps avoiding responsibility for poisoning us, etc. We're killing the planet. Maybe we need to give it at least the same priority as the economy. That's what the tweet, by whomever whenever, speaks too.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
37. No, all those programs only saved the elite upper crust
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

The middle class was on their own and the poor would just continue to grow in ranks and starve. No middle class homeowners got NOTHING. So the economy was never saved. The middle class and poor continued to struggle. A new crash is coming and it's because the rest of us never got a bailout. Bankruptcy is still at record highs. People still have underwater mortgages and only crappy jobs are available for college grads.

And your argument is really weird. So people don't make money off the environment? Factory farmers and Monsanto are Not making money? Those banksters would not be alive to grab up all our tax dollars if Not for the environment. So how exactly are they going to turn all that money they were given into breathable air, drinkable water and livable weather conditions?

Yeah right the economy was saved, more like the banks and capital were saved. The rest of us were left to struggle through as best we could WITHOUT BAILOUTS.

 

Dcoast

(77 posts)
41. that's not the point
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015

there were protections in place to prevent the whole damn thing from collapsing in the first place. Bill Clinton signed the nail in the coffin when glass-steagall was repealed.

it's not about whether or not TARP made the government money. It's about the damn principle that the economy should never have been gambled with in the first place, and the elite are doing the same thing with the environment.

again, no one gives a rats ass if the government made money or not. we should have never been in that position in the first place, and we should not be in that position now with the environment.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
47. You're overlooking important details... and TARP has very little to do with keynesian economics.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:06 PM
Nov 2015

The TARP program and bank bailouts should never have been needed in the first place. Yes, they helped avert the economic destruction that they're responsible for in the first place... but at a significant cost to the taxpayer. The overwhelming majority of banks saw the program as a no-strings-attached windfall that could be used to pay down debt, acquire other businesses or invest for the future. In other words, the banks used the money to continue their corruption rather than clean up their books.

Add to that... the TARP program is still being used today!

Most people think that the big bank bailout was the $700 billion that the treasury department used to save the banks during the financial crash in September of 2008. But this is a long way from the truth because the bailout is still ongoing. The Special Inspector General for TARP summary of the bailout says that the total commitment of government is $16.8 trillion dollars with the $4.6 trillion already paid out. Yes, it was trillions not billions and the banks are now larger and still too big to fail. But it isn’t just the government bailout money that tells the story of the bailout. This is a story about lies, cheating, and a multi-faceted corruption which was often criminal.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/

It's also not paid off:
Report: TARP still owes $133B


http://www.politico.com/story/2012/01/report-tarp-still-owes-133b-071995

Lastly, the EPA's budget is $8,139,887,000... (A little over 8 billion) rather than the 56 billion you claim.

http://www2.epa.gov/planandbudget/budget

look at the bright side, you were right about one thing; Logic and math win again.
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