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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:52 PM Nov 2015

I'd like to hear from all the Hillary supporters

who will be switching to Bernie when the primary voting starts.

Hillary is above 50% and Bernie is around 30%. That leaves under 20% undecided. If they all break for Bernie (not likely) then some Hillary folks would have to switch to Bernie for him to win the nomination.

We are reading that 2015 is 2007 again and Bernie is Obama so who are you Hillary now Bernie later people?

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I'd like to hear from all the Hillary supporters (Original Post) upaloopa Nov 2015 OP
Hillary then, now, and forever northoftheborder Nov 2015 #1
Lol, that is funny. Some people actually believe it i bet. nt Logical Nov 2015 #2
That sounds like something I used to recite in church Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #32
HRC #1, M'OM #2. Rabid supporter of PBO in '08 and '12 nt MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #3
I have been swayed by all the charming campaigning for Bernie here at DU. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #4
Yep angrychair Nov 2015 #15
If you allowed someone to call you any one of those names on this board, it is on you. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #16
For the context and clarity angrychair Nov 2015 #19
Remember this? quickesst Nov 2015 #28
LOL. Several of DU's most conservative posters have been dissuaded from supporting Bernie! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #21
Case. In. Point. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #22
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #23
FYI Cha Nov 2015 #30
Not switching to Bernie. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #5
Clinton currently heads my talley sheet of policy positions and election factors by a considerable Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #6
Is this like a rubik's cube puzzle? randys1 Nov 2015 #7
If Bernie were polling well above all the leading GOP candidates Hortensis Nov 2015 #8
Those numbers include a lot of leaners: Jarqui Nov 2015 #9
It's a little late to make up a 30 point deficit upaloopa Nov 2015 #12
That's not the gist of what Nate said Jarqui Nov 2015 #13
grief enid602 Nov 2015 #10
I will vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary Tarc Nov 2015 #11
Since I'm already considered redstateblues Nov 2015 #14
If Hillary had to drop out BootinUp Nov 2015 #17
If that happened, they would draft Biden at the convention. leftofcool Nov 2015 #25
Sanders has a lot of cross-over appeal. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #34
Sure, the one with 52% disapproval is the surest bet. Dawgs Nov 2015 #39
there are also the indys/young conservatives to consider restorefreedom Nov 2015 #18
Shhh... You are spoiling the dream of the inevitable St Hillary of Walmart. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #35
ok, i'll whisper........shhhhhh........ nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #37
If the GOP ad machine really got cranked up against Sanders his poll numbers would Persondem Nov 2015 #20
Nope, not switching. I'd rather start a new draft Biden movement. leftofcool Nov 2015 #24
Me too. I do NOT want a Republican in the White House! SunSeeker Nov 2015 #29
I will very likely vote for Clinton as best candidate; but it's hard to discount someone polling 30% Hoyt Nov 2015 #26
Worms or salmon eggs? madamesilverspurs Nov 2015 #27
Not me MaggieD Nov 2015 #31
No bravenak Nov 2015 #33
I've been a Hillary suporter since she was first lady. Beacool Nov 2015 #36
Don't worry, they'll switch to Bernie when he wins the Nomination berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #38
Only way I will switch to Bernie is if he wins the nomination. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #40
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
4. I have been swayed by all the charming campaigning for Bernie here at DU.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
Nov 2015

I love being called "Donald Trump", fascist, Third Way, conservative, amoral, banal, etc.

The spirit is in me! I can feel the Bern!!!!!1111

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
15. Yep
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

We loooovvvvveeee being called " Lilly white, latte drinking trailer trash" or "Bernie supporters, dumb as a brick and twice as thick" and berniebots and a dozen other comments as bad or worse. While all of It is wrong, no matter who says it, at least (as far as I know, I have zero first hand knowledge of name calling because I don't do that) Bernie supporters do it here on DU, don't slither off to another site and belittle and trash Bernie supporters and then come back here to DU acting as if they are captain of the SS Moral Authority.
You personally may or may not have done that, I don't know and could care less, just keep in mind that old adage: "when pissing into the wind, everyone gets a little on them"

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
16. If you allowed someone to call you any one of those names on this board, it is on you.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:42 PM
Nov 2015

Keep in mind this place is still crawling with moles and trolls. Hammer the ALERT button and get rid of them. It would do us all a favor.

(I also appreciate you bringing this into this thread just in case I missed it the first time... http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=839450)

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
19. For the context and clarity
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:25 PM
Nov 2015

Your comment was about name calling and a continuation of the "Bernie supporters hate America" meme, as if you and supporters of your candidate are just victims of those mean Bernie supporters. My post was only to point out that some of the more mean-spirited and crass things I have ever seen a Dem say about another Dem were in those screenshots and clips from that other site, things they would never say here on DU as they would likely get tombstones.

While there may have been bad things said by Bernie supporters on this site, if they violated the rules, they paid the price. They didn't go off to another site, say horrible, crass things, then come back here to DU and pretend to be innocent and good.

The funny thing was, I was really starting to lean toward your candidate's supporters in this whole name calling debate until I started seeing the screenshots and clips from comments made on that other site and realized that nothing could justify talking about people that way.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
28. Remember this?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:29 PM
Nov 2015

First, from your above post:

" I know, I have zero first hand knowledge of name calling because I don't do that) Bernie supporters do it here on DU, don't slither off to another site and belittle and trash Bernie supporters and then come back here to DU acting as if they are captain of the SS Moral Authority. "

Then here from another thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251838762"
angrychair wrote: "While doing all these things, YOU GO TO ANOTHER SITE, that many of us have seen entries and screenshots from at this point, calling us "latte drinking white trash" and "trailer trash" and saying "Bernie supporters are dumb as bricks and twice as thick" and terms like "hippy punching", "berniebot" and "berniebro" whatever the hell that is, every description is vile and disrespectful.
"While I am sure that some Sanders supporters here have done or said things that was rude and crass, based on what I have seen from that site, those failings are nothing in comparison.
At the very least you have no right or reason to the high ground and or the attitude you carry with you on this site and should well be ashamed of your conduct (sorry, the "Bernie bros" or whatever smear you try to use, started it is a child's reason, not an adult's reason)."

In the post you responded to, l used the term "Bernie's supporters". Yet you accused me of using derogatory labels on a site I have nothing to do with, and I certainly did not post a link to it. I don't even know what the fuck site you are going on about! I am an exclusive DU poster. Of course you never responded when I called you on it, but then, what could you have written to justify the false accusation? Bottom line? You have little room to talk about "Moral Authority". I will never be ashamed of my conduct here on Democratic Underground.
Here is my original post you responded to:

"Once again, Bernie's supporters announce to the world that they believe the majority of the American democratic population is stupid, and they are just "lumps of Play-Doh".
After all, she is leading by wide margins which would indicate Bernie's supporters believe they are so stupid, they "get their ideas about politics from politicians". It's the only conclusion one can arrive at concerning the above statement, and whether the statement is true, partly true, or just more horseshit, this tactic isn't winning Bernie or his supporters any fans."

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #22)

Cha

(297,321 posts)
30. FYI
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:37 AM
Nov 2015

I repeat: LOL. I'm sure you, Sid Dithers, and Mineral Man have *ALL* had your minds changed! nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=842270

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. Not switching to Bernie.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

It would take a BIG SCANDAL (or if she died in her sleep, heaven forbid) before I'd switch my vote. And even then, my primary vote would go to Martin O'Malley ... NOT Bernie.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. Clinton currently heads my talley sheet of policy positions and election factors by a considerable
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:02 PM
Nov 2015

margin. That is why I finally decided to support her.

I continue to learn about the candidates, and if her place on my score sheet changes before June 19, 2016, then I would change my vote.

I finally decided support her because nobody is even close and I tended to take her sides in most discussions.

But she doesn't own my vote until it is cast.

Now, I fully expect she will have won the nomination by the end of March, early April at the latest. As a California resident, my choice would simply be a coronation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. If Bernie were polling well above all the leading GOP candidates
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:06 PM
Nov 2015

and Hillary well below (like if she fell on her head again and start sounding like Trump or something), then I would switch. But how likely is that?

ABOVE ALL, WE HAVE TO ELECT A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT.

In addition to battling fascism and stopping the transfer of power and wealth from We the People to the top 0.01%, the next president will probably name at least 2 and as many as 4 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
9. Those numbers include a lot of leaners:
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary is above 50% and Bernie is around 30%. That leaves under 20% undecided. If they all break for Bernie (not likely) then some Hillary folks would have to switch to Bernie for him to win the nomination.

I think Nate Silver addresses your question in this article:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
"When you see an Iowa poll, you should keep in mind that the real situation looks something more like this:"

(I'll ballpark roughly covert his poll from GOP to Dem):
Undecided 80% (includes leans)
Clinton 12%
Sanders 7%
O'Malley 1%

It's a little early for "Hillary can't lose"

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
13. That's not the gist of what Nate said
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:19 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary definitely has the advantage with that big lead and therefore a much better chance but there's 70 days to go and that's a long time in Politics. Ask David Vitter.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
10. grief
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

Pro Hill 100%. That said, I do think we need to be proactive and arrange for the mental health professionals and grief councilors that will be needed when Bernie is trounced.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
11. I will vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:10 PM
Nov 2015

I will only vote for Sanders if he beats Clinton and is our nominee in the fall.


redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
14. Since I'm already considered
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:25 PM
Nov 2015

A Third Way, NeoLiberal, Corporatist DINO because I'm a Clinton fan not to mention I've been banned from the Bernie place I'd say definitely not.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
17. If Hillary had to drop out
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:45 PM
Nov 2015

we would probably be screwn.


I am just not as confident that O'Malley or Sanders can win a national election.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
34. Sanders has a lot of cross-over appeal.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:23 AM
Nov 2015

He could well put Louisiana or Montana in play. Maybe even West-Virginia.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
39. Sure, the one with 52% disapproval is the surest bet.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:22 AM
Nov 2015

The "meh" candidate that isn't trusted by 30% of Democrats. Yeah, lets go with that one.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. there are also the indys/young conservatives to consider
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:01 PM
Nov 2015

the dems are not the only place to get votes. the "deficit" could be made up by non dems, especially in open primary states where they can decide last minute.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
20. If the GOP ad machine really got cranked up against Sanders his poll numbers would
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:42 PM
Nov 2015

drop like a brick. No way he wins the White House.

Clinton has been taking GOP (and some LW) shit for years and gives it back as good or better. She is tough, informed, has good policy proposals and has a knack for leadership.

HRC >>> 2016!!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. I will very likely vote for Clinton as best candidate; but it's hard to discount someone polling 30%
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders has done well, and supports a lot of things important to this country. I just don't think he can get us very far with our current political realities.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
36. I've been a Hillary suporter since she was first lady.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:40 AM
Nov 2015

I frankly don't give a rat's tail end what they say about her here. If anything, the vitriol is only helping to entrench support for Hillary. The non-stop vile is counterproductive.


 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
38. Don't worry, they'll switch to Bernie when he wins the Nomination
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

Right, it's only fair... because that's what they've demanded of Bernie supporters.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
40. Only way I will switch to Bernie is if he wins the nomination.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nov 2015

Not lifting a finger to help him get there though.

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