2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton’s hypocrisy on campaign cash
According to Hillary Clintons campaign website, Hillarys vision for America includes campaign finance reform as an issue she will fight for as president, arguing that we have to end the flood of secret, unaccountable money that is distorting our elections, corrupting our political system, and drowning out the voices of too many everyday Americans.
http://www.registercitizen.com/opinion/20151121/another-view-clintons-hypocrisy-on-campaign-cash
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Even more laughable are her supporters claims that there is no quid pro quo expected from corporations that "donate" to her super-pacs.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)"..Team Clinton is seemingly playing the odds that the feckless FEC will never challenge it and that the public will not notice the campaigns contribution to the destruction of our campaign finance laws. If so, the campaigns willingness to pursue such a loophole tells us much more about Clintons attitude toward campaign finance reform than any speech or quote on her website.
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However, you start a quick slide down a slippery slope and begin to lose credibility as a champion of campaign finance reform when you follow the herd and claim independence from your super PAC while taking actions anyone in the real world would consider coordination, relying on a useless FEC and a 9-year-olds everyone is doing it defense.
And you slam into the bottom of that slippery slope when you create loopholes that undermine the law. You have then become the leader of the herd in a stampede over what remains of our campaign finance laws."
"Do as I say not as I do"
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)President so something can be done about campaign finance?
You know damn well the repubs won't change anything and they plan to spend 3/4 of a billion on the general.
All those giving $30 to Bernie aren't going to change anything that has to do with campaign finance.
It will be up to us Hillary supporters who will pay to get her nominated and who will pay to put her in the White House so she can make changes.
You should thank us but I know you'd rather make bull shit posts about Hillary.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)...he that simply refuses to see."
INdemo
(6,994 posts)take the Big Banks,Wall St,the Drug Companies,the Corporate Mafia and all those that contributed to her PAC to make those Changes?
"It will be up to us Hillary supporters who will pay to get her nominated and who will pay to put her in the White House so she can make changes."
Is Goldman Sachs included in your list for those that want to make changes?
Now that is one hell of an argument for Hillary.
Just about equal to Hillary's waving the 911 Flag to justify the big bucks she received from Wall St.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I don't think so. She will invite her High Rollers into the inner sanctum,
and work to fulfill ALL their wishes.
You are naive about Money in American Politics if you believe differently.
I can't remember a single incident, Republican to NeoLiberal Democrat who took the money,
and then did NOT perform Monkey tricks on a String to please their High Rollers,
AND, it is getting WORSE all the time despite all the promises to get the money out of politics.
Sanders is the ONLY Democrat who has demonstrated the ability to say NO!!! to the financiers and corrupt.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)but you can't make them think.
Do you really think that Obama received money from big corp, big pharma, wall st., big banks, etc. and they didn't expect anything in return? One of Obama's first appointees was Timothy Geithner, that should tell you everything about where he was headed.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)she can listen to them later.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Every unbelievable thing that comes out of her mouth.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...as you go along?
Weird stuff.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)want to be bothered with the facts.
I think it's a mistake for Clinton fans to bring that up because when people investigate they see what the difference is between Sanders and Clinton. Sanders is supported by the working people and Clinton is supported by corp execs and billionaires.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Formed specifically for the purpose of getting Bernie elected. No, taking money from some other group's PAC does not count.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he is soooooo much better because he is a real progressive, not a corporate centrist in progressive clothing.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)And what the hell is she doing?
She realizes that her corporate campaign roster and the fact that she takes SuperPAC money--is not only public information but also common knowledge, right?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and Swiftboating Senator Sanders.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...by coming out for campaign finance reform, when she's one of the biggest offenders herself.
I guess she's reacting to the polls that indicate that her Wall Street ties are a losing proposition with voters?
She should have thought of that before she unhinged her jaw and swallowed up millions from JP Morgan, Citibank and Goldman Sachs.
Seriously.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that stand to win big in this pfizer merger.
interesting......
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm kind of tired of repeatedly learning about "interesting" ties to corrupt corporate money in the Clinton campaign, aren't you?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to be bored for a while to be honest.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)she wouldn't be running for anything anymore
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)With the two endorsements he currently has. He has been in Congress for twenty five years and has not created a network to get traction. With this kind of effort he could stay another twenty five years and only have four endorsements. When one is in Congress they need to work with others in order to discuss and construct bills to pass and then have contacts to ask to vote for their bills.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the repubs will be tripping over themselves to obstruct. our only chance is if enough energy brings some votes to flip a few seats.
honestly, i think OM would have the best chance of getting anything through, but he would face the same blockheads as clinton or sanders.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)One by one we can return the majority of Congress blue, if not gridlock will continue to be the norm. There are more Democrats than Republicans, ergo we have to get out and vote then we can make changes. It is imperative to have a Democratic president, good possibility of SC nominations, no more Scalia and Alito if not there will be more Citizen United ruled on by SC.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)high turnout helps dem, low turnout helps gop.
would like to see more blue.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)You folks recycle the same garbage.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)because he has worked so extensively with members of both parties to make improvements to their legislation.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Please explain.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I believe they do know the difference. & I also believe that they know bernie is putting himself at a disadvantage by playing under the rules he wished were true rather than the rules that exist today. They know that this is one of Hillary's strengths, that's why they attack it and try to pretend that it is a weakness, or hypocrisy. It's neither of those, it's smart politics. That's why she will win. That's why Bernie will lose.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Did Bill write that
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's quite a compliment! I know you did not mean it as one, but I take it as one.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Go Hillary!
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)if you consider her love of warmongering, cluster bombs, etc, etc, etc....
And her distaste for single-payer, a $15 mw, taxes for WS, etc, etc, etc, she almost out rightwingnuts her pals that are rightwingnuts
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Call it whatever you please, it's corruption. Period.