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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:08 PM Nov 2015

Clinton’s hypocrisy on campaign cash

According to Hillary Clinton’s campaign website, “Hillary’s vision for America” includes “campaign finance reform” as an issue “she will fight for as president,” arguing that “we have to end the flood of secret, unaccountable money that is distorting our elections, corrupting our political system, and drowning out the voices of too many everyday Americans.”


http://www.registercitizen.com/opinion/20151121/another-view-clintons-hypocrisy-on-campaign-cash

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Clinton’s hypocrisy on campaign cash (Original Post) INdemo Nov 2015 OP
Yes, she is a hypocrite. Some people don't care as long as she has a lead in the polls. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #1
Laughable would be the apt conclusion of her claims while collecting vast amounts of dough. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #2
Maybe when it is "your turn" it's okay to be a hypocrite Android3.14 Nov 2015 #3
Classic Clinton Jarqui Nov 2015 #4
How much do you figure it will take to become upaloopa Nov 2015 #5
"There is none so blind as.... 99Forever Nov 2015 #7
So then you are saying it will INdemo Nov 2015 #10
..And YOU are confident that HIllary will bite the hand that feeds her? bvar22 Nov 2015 #40
You can lead a person to knowledge, Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #46
She needs to drown out those voices now so Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #6
+1. reformist2 Nov 2015 #26
Blah, blah, blah leftofcool Nov 2015 #8
Yes that pretty much sums up ibegurpard Nov 2015 #9
But Bernie having a Super PAC doesn't = hypocrisy? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #11
He doesn't have a Super PAC. n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #13
Do you people just make this stuff up... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #15
Those that repeat that lie don't know what a Super PAC is and probably don't rhett o rick Nov 2015 #16
please point us to a Super PAC ibegurpard Nov 2015 #18
But, Clinton is going to win and Bernie is no Obama, so... n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #12
correct. bernie is no obama restorefreedom Nov 2015 #23
Who is advising her? CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #14
She knows it's impossible for her to hide her ties to Corp-America so she is relying on sping rhett o rick Nov 2015 #17
I think she is Swiftboatting herself... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #20
She has no choice but to take the Dirty Money. She can't win on her policies. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #21
btw, jp morgan, goldman sachs are just a few of the corps restorefreedom Nov 2015 #24
It is interesting, isn't it? CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #30
why yes, yes i am. i would like restorefreedom Nov 2015 #42
well if she were to get elected by the time she actually got that through chances are azurnoir Nov 2015 #36
IOKIYAH. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #19
If Hillary can't get the job done then Sanders will nkt be able to get anything on the floor Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #22
it really does not matter who wins restorefreedom Nov 2015 #25
It is true, saw a shining star in Louisiana with the election of a Democratic governor, hopefully Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #27
i guess its true what they say restorefreedom Nov 2015 #41
Rinse and repeat. tazkcmo Nov 2015 #28
I have noticed this frequently, numerous post repeat day after day. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #29
Sanders is called the "amendment king" Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #32
They must have forgotten he worked so hard with them. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #35
That must be why they gave him the title. Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #45
How do you get CU changed if all dems just lay down and die on campaign funding? MaggieD Nov 2015 #31
Actually ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #34
That was an obvious script from the Clinton campaign INdemo Nov 2015 #38
Thank you! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #39
I bet you're right MaggieD Nov 2015 #44
She's smart and knows how to win. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #33
such hypocrisy is one of her more admirable attributes stupidicus Nov 2015 #37
In a real democracy, this would be seen for the bribery it is. 99Forever Nov 2015 #43
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
2. Laughable would be the apt conclusion of her claims while collecting vast amounts of dough.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

Even more laughable are her supporters claims that there is no quid pro quo expected from corporations that "donate" to her super-pacs.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
4. Classic Clinton
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:17 PM
Nov 2015
"..Team Clinton is seemingly playing the odds that the feckless FEC will never challenge it and that the public will not notice the campaign’s contribution to the destruction of our campaign finance laws. If so, the campaign’s willingness to pursue such a “loophole” tells us much more about Clinton’s attitude toward campaign finance reform than any speech or quote on her website.
...
However, you start a quick slide down a slippery slope and begin to lose credibility as a champion of campaign finance reform when you follow the herd and claim independence from your super PAC while taking actions anyone in the real world would consider coordination, relying on a useless FEC and a 9-year-old’s “everyone is doing it” defense.

And you slam into the bottom of that slippery slope when you create loopholes that undermine the law. You have then become the leader of the herd in a stampede over what remains of our campaign finance laws."



"Do as I say not as I do"

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. How much do you figure it will take to become
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:19 PM
Nov 2015

President so something can be done about campaign finance?

You know damn well the repubs won't change anything and they plan to spend 3/4 of a billion on the general.

All those giving $30 to Bernie aren't going to change anything that has to do with campaign finance.

It will be up to us Hillary supporters who will pay to get her nominated and who will pay to put her in the White House so she can make changes.

You should thank us but I know you'd rather make bull shit posts about Hillary.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
10. So then you are saying it will
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:40 PM
Nov 2015

take the Big Banks,Wall St,the Drug Companies,the Corporate Mafia and all those that contributed to her PAC to make those Changes?

"It will be up to us Hillary supporters who will pay to get her nominated and who will pay to put her in the White House so she can make changes."
Is Goldman Sachs included in your list for those that want to make changes?

Now that is one hell of an argument for Hillary.
Just about equal to Hillary's waving the 911 Flag to justify the big bucks she received from Wall St.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
40. ..And YOU are confident that HIllary will bite the hand that feeds her?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:10 PM
Nov 2015

I don't think so. She will invite her High Rollers into the inner sanctum,
and work to fulfill ALL their wishes.

You are naive about Money in American Politics if you believe differently.
I can't remember a single incident, Republican to NeoLiberal Democrat who took the money,
and then did NOT perform Monkey tricks on a String to please their High Rollers,

AND, it is getting WORSE all the time despite all the promises to get the money out of politics.
Sanders is the ONLY Democrat who has demonstrated the ability to say NO!!! to the financiers and corrupt.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
46. You can lead a person to knowledge,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 11:25 PM
Nov 2015

but you can't make them think.

Do you really think that Obama received money from big corp, big pharma, wall st., big banks, etc. and they didn't expect anything in return? One of Obama's first appointees was Timothy Geithner, that should tell you everything about where he was headed.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. Those that repeat that lie don't know what a Super PAC is and probably don't
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:49 PM
Nov 2015

want to be bothered with the facts.

I think it's a mistake for Clinton fans to bring that up because when people investigate they see what the difference is between Sanders and Clinton. Sanders is supported by the working people and Clinton is supported by corp execs and billionaires.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
18. please point us to a Super PAC
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:51 PM
Nov 2015

Formed specifically for the purpose of getting Bernie elected. No, taking money from some other group's PAC does not count.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. correct. bernie is no obama
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

he is soooooo much better because he is a real progressive, not a corporate centrist in progressive clothing.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
14. Who is advising her?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:48 PM
Nov 2015

And what the hell is she doing?

She realizes that her corporate campaign roster and the fact that she takes SuperPAC money--is not only public information but also common knowledge, right?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. She knows it's impossible for her to hide her ties to Corp-America so she is relying on sping
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

and Swiftboating Senator Sanders.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
20. I think she is Swiftboatting herself...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:06 PM
Nov 2015

...by coming out for campaign finance reform, when she's one of the biggest offenders herself.

I guess she's reacting to the polls that indicate that her Wall Street ties are a losing proposition with voters?

She should have thought of that before she unhinged her jaw and swallowed up millions from JP Morgan, Citibank and Goldman Sachs.

Seriously.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. btw, jp morgan, goldman sachs are just a few of the corps
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:47 PM
Nov 2015

that stand to win big in this pfizer merger.

interesting......

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
30. It is interesting, isn't it?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

I'm kind of tired of repeatedly learning about "interesting" ties to corrupt corporate money in the Clinton campaign, aren't you?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
36. well if she were to get elected by the time she actually got that through chances are
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

she wouldn't be running for anything anymore

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
22. If Hillary can't get the job done then Sanders will nkt be able to get anything on the floor
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:40 PM
Nov 2015

With the two endorsements he currently has. He has been in Congress for twenty five years and has not created a network to get traction. With this kind of effort he could stay another twenty five years and only have four endorsements. When one is in Congress they need to work with others in order to discuss and construct bills to pass and then have contacts to ask to vote for their bills.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. it really does not matter who wins
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

the repubs will be tripping over themselves to obstruct. our only chance is if enough energy brings some votes to flip a few seats.

honestly, i think OM would have the best chance of getting anything through, but he would face the same blockheads as clinton or sanders.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. It is true, saw a shining star in Louisiana with the election of a Democratic governor, hopefully
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:56 PM
Nov 2015

One by one we can return the majority of Congress blue, if not gridlock will continue to be the norm. There are more Democrats than Republicans, ergo we have to get out and vote then we can make changes. It is imperative to have a Democratic president, good possibility of SC nominations, no more Scalia and Alito if not there will be more Citizen United ruled on by SC.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
41. i guess its true what they say
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:34 PM
Nov 2015

high turnout helps dem, low turnout helps gop.

would like to see more blue.

Qutzupalotl

(14,317 posts)
32. Sanders is called the "amendment king"
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

because he has worked so extensively with members of both parties to make improvements to their legislation.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
31. How do you get CU changed if all dems just lay down and die on campaign funding?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:19 PM
Nov 2015

Please explain.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
34. Actually ...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:43 PM
Nov 2015

I believe they do know the difference. & I also believe that they know bernie is putting himself at a disadvantage by playing under the rules he wished were true rather than the rules that exist today. They know that this is one of Hillary's strengths, that's why they attack it and try to pretend that it is a weakness, or hypocrisy. It's neither of those, it's smart politics. That's why she will win. That's why Bernie will lose.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
37. such hypocrisy is one of her more admirable attributes
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

if you consider her love of warmongering, cluster bombs, etc, etc, etc....

And her distaste for single-payer, a $15 mw, taxes for WS, etc, etc, etc, she almost out rightwingnuts her pals that are rightwingnuts

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
43. In a real democracy, this would be seen for the bribery it is.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:37 PM
Nov 2015

Call it whatever you please, it's corruption. Period.

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