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think

(11,641 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:53 PM Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton Showed How the Government Still Doesn't Understand the Encryption Debate

Hillary Clinton Showed How the Government Still Doesn't Understand the Encryption Debate

By Jack Smith IV November 23, 2015

Every time there is a major terror attack that shocks the international consciousness, there are renewed calls for surveillance and increased policing. And even though we're slowly learning that encryption techniques had nothing to do with the attacks on Paris, politicians are still revitalizing a debate as old as the Internet — whether or not the government should be able to break encryption.

Encryption is the process of taking a message, or any block of text or information, and scrambling it so that it can only be read by the intended recipient. It's baked into many message and email systems automatically, preventing law enforcement from catching the messages in transit and unpacking their contents.

On Thursday, Hillary Clinton called on tech companies to avoid seeing the government as an "adversary" and to "develop solutions that will both keep us safe and protect our privacy" before another attack like Paris occurs.

"Encryption of mobile communications presents a particularly tough problem," Clinton said during a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations last week. "We should take the concerns of law enforcement and counterterrorism professionals seriously. They have warned that impenetrable encryption may prevent them from accessing terrorist communications and preventing a future attack."

Silicon Valley has been vowing in droves to not bend to the political pressure to change their encryption standards. But it's not because they're stubborn, naive or capitalistic. It's because "weakening" encryption is nearly impossible.

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The truth is that encryption is more like a submarine that only opens once it gets to its destination at dry land. It's an equation that is either secure or not — if "weakened" it would undermine the entire system. You can't install back doors for good guys without making communications vulnerable to innumerable bad guys, just like you can't put a screen door on a submarine and hope that just certain tiny fish will get in but not the fatally smothering ocean. Simply: Just weakening encryption in an even passably safe way might be impossible...

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Hillary Clinton Showed How the Government Still Doesn't Understand the Encryption Debate (Original Post) think Nov 2015 OP
two months ago she wanted us to believe she didn't understand what "wipe a server" meant. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #1
Ahh yes, Hillary and her emails. ignore randys1 Nov 2015 #3
oh however will I survive. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #11
Only a hater would even remember ancient history like that Fumesucker Nov 2015 #4
Sexist!!! Hater!!! tazkcmo Nov 2015 #5
lol so true 840high Nov 2015 #6
actually I have asked repeatedly what wipe a server meant dsc Nov 2015 #7
I suspect none of those times did you ask if it meant "with a cloth" Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #10
"concerns of law enforcement" - "we set up a stingray at a Phish show to bust pot smokers Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #2
Hillary loves big brother. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #8
She understands it just fine ibegurpard Nov 2015 #9
Next time ANY politician tries to sell you on "crucial terror fighting" spy & law enforcement powers Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #12

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. two months ago she wanted us to believe she didn't understand what "wipe a server" meant.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

Now we're supposed to nod approvingly to her "expertise" on encryption matters?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. oh however will I survive.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:32 PM
Nov 2015

She can't have it both ways- tech savvy encryption expert AND befuddled grandma who simply didn't understand the IT stuff in her basement.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. Only a hater would even remember ancient history like that
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:12 PM
Nov 2015

And surely someone amongst her two hundred advisers knows something about encryption.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
5. Sexist!!! Hater!!!
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:20 PM
Nov 2015

Ummmm, oh yeah! Troll! Is there no depth you will sink to? I mean, gee, I'm so sick of these attacks on Madame Secretary, especially when using her own words!













sarcasm

dsc

(52,162 posts)
7. actually I have asked repeatedly what wipe a server meant
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:43 PM
Nov 2015

and have gotten radically different answers from people who supposedly were experts (admittedly DU self proclaimed) but it seems to me that if the experts don't know what the term means those of us who aren't shouldn't be pilloried for not knowing what the term means.

On edit

To be clear, does wiping the server mean merely erasing the date, does it require reformatting in addition to erasure, or does it require erasure, reformatting, and rewriting over the data? I got three different answers to this question and while not being an expert, I do know that the answer to that question is relevant to the ability to retrieve the data.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
2. "concerns of law enforcement" - "we set up a stingray at a Phish show to bust pot smokers
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:00 PM
Nov 2015

and some of them had encrypted iphones which we suspected contained photos of them pulling a bong, making our prosecuting them for half a gram of weed slightly more difficult."

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