2016 Postmortem
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the question, Are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Come on. There has to be good answer. Why don't they just say yes and then say things they have done, like getting rid of Bid Laden, and then say some people, like Romney, are definitely better off. And some are not, because anybody who loses their job are not better off. But people lose their jobs all the time.You are correct, billky! It is an easy answer to give, especially, when one thinks back to September 2008.
livetohike
(22,165 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,489 posts)What's that expression, sock something or other?
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)unblock
(52,332 posts)today, bin laden is dead and we're climbing out of that deep republican recession.
meanwhile, the world respects us again and the stock market is up 62% from the day obama took office and 97% from its low point about 6 weeks later.
we're reducing our pointless and expensive overseas military adventures, and we've delivered health insurance to many millions who previously didn't have it.
seasonally adjusted unemployment went from a peak of 10.0% in october 2009 to 8.3%. yeah, february 2009, the first full month of obama's presidency, was also 8.3%, but the 10.0% was clearly due to the economic mess obama inherited. so we're clearly getting better on that front as well.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Stephanie did a good job with it today.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,070 posts)..an objective journalist he is not.
ELI BOY 1950
(173 posts)The stock market was at 6500 ...today it is 13000...it has doubled...the Dow is back to pre recession...
just look at your savings or 401k plans
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)The problem is that all these wealthy (Republican) billionaires are sitting on their cash not hiring people; that along with republican governors cutting their state/local governments is why the job numbers are bad. They are doing it on purpose to make Pres Obama look bad.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,535 posts)Things were worse four years ago. Banks failed. Markets failed. Over half a million laid off every month. Suicides. University closings. Legacy companies disappearing. Retirements disappeared.
As dreary as the current world might seem, who would go back four years.
BrainMann1
(460 posts)the 1% are doing better that 4 years ago.
rock
(13,218 posts)How good would I have been after another 4 years of a Republican president? (dead-pan look)
Welcome aboard!
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Not just my family or me, but all the rest of us with a country that is growing. I remember how scary it was when the whole country started breaking down. I wonder how many other people remember how bad it was and think about it every time they hear the ads.
Hell, yes, I'm better off with Obama in office.
I wish I knew how to use my Twitter account. I would try to get that message out.
Iris
(15,671 posts)Remember how dismal it was? The whole economy was on the verge of collapse.
Obviously, some individuals are NOT better off than they were 4 years ago. I, for one, am better off. Partly due to a little bit of luck and partly due to the fact that I've always marched to my own drum. But I doubt that I'm the only one who is better of.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Iris
(15,671 posts)I in no way mean to minimize the plight of many Americans who are worse off. But it is downright frightening to think that the answer to their situation is to elect another Republican president.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)20-25% in very short order, esp. if Rape-publicans also had control of the House and Senate.
I hope everyone realizes that I do not hold Obama responsible in any way for my plight. I blame Rape-publican obstructionism, do-nothing-ism and know-nothing-ism.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)And the answer is we are not in a recession we are in a weak recovery so all this talk of are we better off than four years ago means nothing
Iris
(15,671 posts)Did you see that that will be a theme at the Convention? That's a message I can get behind!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Tell us what you REALLY feel...
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)because George W Bush allowed Wall Street to regulate itself. The resulting gambling with depositors' money led to a financial crash that threatened another Great Depression, and brought down businesses and 8 million jobs on Main Street.
President Obama's and Ben Bernanke's dramatic actions since then have brought us back from the brink of anther Great Depression. Now we are GAINING over 100,000 private sector jobs a month. In the past 29 months we have gained over 4 million jobs.
The unemployment rate, a "lagging economic indicator", remains stubbornly high, as people who had given up looking for work decide it's no longer hopeless to re-enter the labor market. But Mark Zandi of Moody's Investments, who was John McCain's chief campaign economist, forecasts 12 million new jobs over the next four years if President Obama's policies are continued. The same Republican source estimates the unemployment rate would now be 1.5 percentage points lower had Congressional Republicans not cynically blocked President Obama's American Jobs Acto over the past year.
In short, President Obama has turned the economy around, and the next four years promise new prosperity, as long as we do not return to Republican policies of reckless Wall Street deregulation and top-down regressive tax reform that brought us to the brink of another Great Depression.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)do you think we are?
The best part of the whole left/right divide is that the reptilian brain set have declared war on the educated set, the creative class, the non-binary thinkers, and expect us to fall into a childlike state to recognize their "tradition" and "authority," or at least authoritarianism.
I don't see much stupid around here, except when black/white binary thinkers attempt to disrupt. It's quite fun to watch, really.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)under a pug any day. We'd have many more jobs being created if baggers weren't in charge in local government also. Private richie richers are still sitting on hoards of cash they've piled up at our expense and they are not about to hire those fucking I've got mine party of no'ers.
"Hell fucking Yeah"!!
lastlib
(23,309 posts)Consumer confidence is up from the end of BushII. Unemployment is down from same--it's not back to a level we can accept because repuglicans REFUSE to help their fellow Americans who are in need, just so THEY can regain POWER. Millions now have access to healthcare who did not before, and health insurance companies can no longer treat people like fungible commodities. Bin Laden is dead, and US auto industry is once again prosperous; GM is again the #1 car-maker in the world. Our banking system is back from the precipice, and housing is coming back. All that, again, with NO thanks to Repuglicans!
applegrove
(118,816 posts)would have to say no. "If you are the 1% the answer is yes, so it is the time to take care of the 99%".
randr
(12,417 posts)The Republicans are having an empty chair in the yard day in response to Eastwood's routine.
It is time the Democrats learn to use this technique of turning shit into shinola.
The answer is obvious, try to imagine if McCain/Palin had won!
patrice
(47,992 posts)hostage.
Democrats may be afraid of talking about what is going on since November 2008 STILL in those secret board rooms within secret board rooms scattered around the U.S. and abroad for fear of one gambling wealthfare queen or another taking it out on the least amongst us, who are wounded the worst amongst us because of what happened in November 2008.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)(see link below)
http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord
ann---
(1,933 posts)Obamacare passed and stock market is up. Jobs are up. Personally, I am better off because my country is.
Cha
(297,733 posts)Edit.. h/t The Obama Diary
pansypoo53219
(21,000 posts)i am SOOOOOOO looking forward to them DYING.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)and today he is not. The rest of the world held this Country is deep disrespect. And the Wall Street high rollers tanked the economy in the "anything goes" days of no regulation condoned by Bush*. Thousands of jobs were being lost each month, and none of our public officials had the foggiest idea of how to stabilize our crumbling economic world.
Today, a different man sits in the Oval Office, one who has carefully crafted a reconstruction that involves tangible stabilization planks as opposed to bubbles destined to pop in the near future. I do not worry that this man will implement a "preemptive war" on another nation that will send many of our citizens to fight in the name of greed. My rights as a female are being protected, and I look forward to The Affordable Care Act giving me lower prices for the health care I need. I look towards Michigan and I see a booming automobile industry, one that was indeed failing under the previous administration and was propped up just long enough for its politicians to blame Obama for its failure, but which industry our current President assisted into recovery and prosperity.
Absolutely yes! I am better off today than I was four years ago. I am no longer ashamed of my President and I look forward to his re-election in November. At that time, hopefully, the Republican obstructionists which hindered his attempts to inject shots of stimulus into this suffering nation's economy, will be packing their bags and cleaning out their offices for newly-elected Democratic replacements. I do have an overabundance of hope that a full recovery will be opening up soon to the American people who have waited so long for the scabs and scars of the Bush* administration to heal.
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Shortly after I posted this, I turned on Martin Bashir and he was saying pretty much the same thing.
Sam
abumbyanyothername
(2,711 posts)Showing that even the original target of the question, Jimmy Carter, could answer yes.
And, if only Carter had won. What a wonderfully different world it would be.