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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:56 AM Nov 2015

So the defense of Bernie Sanders' lack of a foreign policy is to make up shit about Hillary

Bernie gives the same speech he's given for 40 years at every venue he goes to.

I don't even need to go to one of his functions to know what he has to say. I've heard it on "brunch with Bernie" for years on Thom Hartman's radio show. I heard it in two debates so far. Probably if we had 100 more debates we would hear it 100 more times.

Free tuition
$15 per hour
Family leave
Job creation
single payer
break up big banks
the top 1% have most of the wealth
Take the country back form the oligarchs

These are all good things

What is lacking is the "how do we get there" and a foreign policy

Now in defense of the above we hear this:

Hillary is a war monger
Hillary is in bed with Wall Street
Hillary is a republican
Hillary is not progressive
Hillary is not a Democrat
Hillary is Bill Clinton II


For six months now I have been waiting for Bernie to tell me how we get there.


Maybe Bernie will get the message like he did with BLM (when he added social justice) and add to his stump speech some "how" instead of just "what."



My dread is that Bernie is like Bill McKay in the movie "The Candidate"

Bill McKay, a novice who has just won an improbable victory, turns dazedly to his campaign manager and asks, "What do we do now?"

Bernie is really no leader. He is mostly a rehearsed set of talking points.

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So the defense of Bernie Sanders' lack of a foreign policy is to make up shit about Hillary (Original Post) upaloopa Nov 2015 OP
Somebody... 99Forever Nov 2015 #1
To be fair, Hillary is a war monger. morningfog Nov 2015 #2
Let's be fair, Sanders has voted more times for military action than Hillary has, Sanders is a war Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #3
He didn't vote for disaster , IWR bahrbearian Nov 2015 #6
He voted to fund the Iraq war the same day he voted against the AUMF ucrdem Nov 2015 #9
Don't confuse them with facts MaggieD Nov 2015 #13
voting to defund troops in the field is reprehensible restorefreedom Nov 2015 #26
Why do you lie and smear Hillary by calling her a warmonger? Vattel Nov 2015 #12
The lack of foreign affairs ability was very oblivious in the last debate, yes, Hillary is very Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #4
More War Drums Please bahrbearian Nov 2015 #7
Your comment does not cover the fact Sanders does not have Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #15
I much prefer that than to Hillary's "experience." morningfog Nov 2015 #19
I don't, Sanders has been voting to take military action and he does not Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #23
If Bernie doesn't know what he's voting for or against RichVRichV Nov 2015 #60
The same way I can see Bernie's lies when he voted five times against the Brady Bill. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #63
And here I thought we were talking foreign policy. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #64
Sanders is terrible on foreign policy, he blew the first question in the last debate, he was Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #65
You do realize those were opening remarks right? RichVRichV Nov 2015 #66
Sanders also riversedge Nov 2015 #29
Bill Clinton, George Bush, Reagan, Obama, all had less experience than Sanders. Crystalite Nov 2015 #72
The only President elected in the past 40 years who had foreign policy experience Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #73
That's a good thing. Better than having the experience of being wrong on foreign policy so often n/ eridani Nov 2015 #44
So say you, Sanders has been making decisions for twenty five years without Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #47
Voting no on the Iraq war shows a pretty comprehensive grasp of foreign policy. Unlike others. n/t eridani Nov 2015 #75
Yes he grasp on it when he voted the same day to fund the war, more for the defense Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #81
And you are against taking care of American soldiers after deployment? eridani Nov 2015 #82
No, she did not make the decision to put them in harm's, that was Bush's decision. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #83
And she knew that Bush would invade--assuming that she is as smart as every objector to the war-- eridani Nov 2015 #84
Just as I can't say what you are thinking the same applies to others. Bush made the decision. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #85
You can't vote against part of a bill. Maybe Clinton has come out against the F-35? eridani Nov 2015 #86
Did you see the cost of the F-35 so far? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #87
Ask yourself silenttigersong Nov 2015 #24
This is a question for President Barack Obama, Hillary served at the request of the president. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #34
It was indeed oblivious. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #45
Must correct you on something. Bernie was speaking out for black lives before BLM aikoaiko Nov 2015 #5
Bernie is at once ahead of his time and representative of core Democratic values of the past. Crystalite Nov 2015 #70
Bernie's Foreign Policy Lans Nov 2015 #8
He is saying this without foreign policy experience, this would be a statement made Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #18
I've not provided any statement Lans Nov 2015 #30
Did you post #8? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #32
LOL! They've moved on to something more stupid- Hillary is no longer Bill Clinton II KittyWampus Nov 2015 #10
Wasn't that just the most absurd thing? Are they still doing it? NurseJackie Nov 2015 #11
Libya, Syria, the reset with Russia, Honduras... Hillary foreign policy experience was awful! 4139 Nov 2015 #14
She has foreign affairs experience, Sanders does not have a foreign affairs policy Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #22
A conservative with a plan trumps a liberal because you say he doesn't have a plan. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #16
No one's making up anything about Hillary ibegurpard Nov 2015 #17
Why do you support a war monger? Broward Nov 2015 #20
I don't know about all the other folks you're talking about. lovemydog Nov 2015 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #25
just to keep things honest restorefreedom Nov 2015 #27
Honest, I like honest. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #33
ok lets take these one by one restorefreedom Nov 2015 #37
Sanders on foreign policy. TM99 Nov 2015 #28
He does seem to lack the dexterity needed to be Prez. Alfresco Nov 2015 #31
He's completely clueless in this area. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #56
A clueless person knew Bush was lying us into a war with Iraq. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #62
Hillaryspeak = Bernie has no foreign policy and doesn't get the Black vote Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #35
I do not even have to argue this one anymore. End of November and Sanders went nowhere in the race. seabeyond Nov 2015 #36
So that means we can look forward ibegurpard Nov 2015 #39
Nope. You will have to get me five hides, again. Sigh..... ah well, that damn freedom of speech. seabeyond Nov 2015 #42
You get yourself your own hides by being directly rude to people. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #46
Not really. seabeyond Nov 2015 #48
So you think you are perfectly civil and it is all a giant conspiracy to get you timeouts? Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #50
Who is trying to start up something here, and who is enjoying a thread on cameras....? seabeyond Nov 2015 #57
um uh, you? Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #61
Ive noticed that the defense of Hillary's lack of any concrete domestic policy is to make up Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #38
snicker. Hiraeth Nov 2015 #40
"We came, we saw, he DIED." You can't make up shit like that. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #41
A peek into her very warped psyche. nt Bonobo Nov 2015 #43
How much foreign policy experience did Obama have? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #49
Like when he was the only member of our Govt to vote against the escalation of war or when orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #51
Bernie on ISIS peacebird Nov 2015 #52
Bernie on Iraq peacebird Nov 2015 #53
Bernie on Iran peacebird Nov 2015 #54
Bernie Sanders refreshingly SANE foreign policy peacebird Nov 2015 #55
He'll say ANYTHING to get elected. I don't trust him. He'll change in office. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #58
Nope, he is consistent. Hillary is the weathervane in this election. peacebird Nov 2015 #59
I'll never believe a word he says. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #67
Your perogative, but he has been consitent. Hillary 'evolves' with the polls, & has reverted right peacebird Nov 2015 #68
His anger turns me off. I can't trust someone who has a short fuse. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #69
True. bravenak Nov 2015 #71
Nope, blatantly false. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #78
He did it when discussing the sanitation workers strike. bravenak Nov 2015 #79
Pray tell? (and a link would be nice) nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #80
Project much? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #77
For the people that are against the lack of domestic policy Hillary Clinton has... this post. Aerows Nov 2015 #74
Hillary said 9/11 made her take the Wall Street money jfern Nov 2015 #76
So you can easily list Sanders policy proposals AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #88

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Let's be fair, Sanders has voted more times for military action than Hillary has, Sanders is a war
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
Nov 2015

monger. Problem is Sanders is not efficient on foreign affairs but yet he has voted for more military actions than Hillary has. Saying Hillary is a war monger has not helped Sanders in the area of foreign affairs, he is still deficient.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
13. Don't confuse them with facts
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:38 AM
Nov 2015

They are totally invested in this fake construct they have built up.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
26. voting to defund troops in the field is reprehensible
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:24 PM
Nov 2015

he did NOT vote for military action in iraq

that was someone else

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
12. Why do you lie and smear Hillary by calling her a warmonger?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:33 AM
Nov 2015

Granted, she supported the IRW and invading Iraq to force regime change there, she argued forcefully for regime change in Libya, she wanted an even bigger increase in troops in Afghanistan, she now wants no fly zones and American soldiers on the ground in Syria and Iraq, and she refused to admit that the bombing of Gaza was disproportionate. But those actions are just flukes. I mean, everyone has a bad day once in awhile, right?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. The lack of foreign affairs ability was very oblivious in the last debate, yes, Hillary is very
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015

experienced in foreign affairs and the only other presidential candidate in which she can compare is Lindsey Graham and the GOP is looking past Graham as their nominee. We need a strong foreign affairs to be president, that person who is able is Hillary Clinton.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. I much prefer that than to Hillary's "experience."
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

I know where HIllary stands on killing innocent people and it disgusts me.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
23. I don't, Sanders has been voting to take military action and he does not
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:16 PM
Nov 2015

Understand what he votes for or against.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
60. If Bernie doesn't know what he's voting for or against
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:56 PM
Nov 2015

why is it he could see through Bush's lies on the AUMF when Hillary couldn't?

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
64. And here I thought we were talking foreign policy.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:25 PM
Nov 2015

Didn't take you long to realize you were going to lose that debate and fall back to guns. I expected you to at least put up a little bit of a fight on the topic at hand.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
65. Sanders is terrible on foreign policy, he blew the first question in the last debate, he was
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:30 PM
Nov 2015

supposed to be talking about foreign policy, was told the first question was going to be about foreign affairs and he danced to finance. Exactly what I thought why is he talking about financial when he is supposed to be on foreign affairs.

I was pointing out Sanders lies when he is giving excuses, why does he think we don't see through his lies?

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
66. You do realize those were opening remarks right?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

Just like the first debate had opening remarks. There was no question asked there. And opening remarks are open to all subjects.

Go rewatch it. You obviously didn't catch that the first time around.

 

Crystalite

(164 posts)
72. Bill Clinton, George Bush, Reagan, Obama, all had less experience than Sanders.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:17 PM
Nov 2015

This fact seems to escape Hillary's fan base.

Having served in a cabinet post does not a good president make.

And Bernie's experience as an elected official eclipses hers.

This is all so silly.

Go Bernie!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
73. The only President elected in the past 40 years who had foreign policy experience
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:35 PM
Nov 2015

before he started his first term, was George H. W. Bush.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
47. So say you, Sanders has been making decisions for twenty five years without
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:46 AM
Nov 2015

Understanding foreign policy, I would have thought twenty five years of being in congress would have helped him, it hasn't.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
81. Yes he grasp on it when he voted the same day to fund the war, more for the defense
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 06:04 AM
Nov 2015

Contractors, guess he had a grasp on taking care of the contractors.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
82. And you are against taking care of American soldiers after deployment?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 09:14 PM
Nov 2015

If they are in harm's way, they need to be supplied. Sanders did not vote to put them in harm's way--it was Clinton who did that.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
83. No, she did not make the decision to put them in harm's, that was Bush's decision.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 09:19 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders continues to vote for the F-35 program and the experts say it will lose in a dog fight, ergo putting our military in harms way.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
84. And she knew that Bush would invade--assuming that she is as smart as every objector to the war--
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 10:02 PM
Nov 2015

--who all knew that. Not only did she vote for it, she led cheerleading for it. You can't really vote against the F-35, as there is no such thing as a bill that is solely about funding it. Funding for it is attached to other funding bills that are necessary for funding general operations.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
86. You can't vote against part of a bill. Maybe Clinton has come out against the F-35?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:42 PM
Nov 2015

Probably the best thing to do would be to start over, but then all the sunk costs become worthless.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
24. Ask yourself
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

were there any candidates for Sec of State more qualified and overlooked ,so Hillary could pad her resume for the 2016 Prez run?Sure she has exp ,sure is well known to foreign dignitaries.It obviously was a Power deal with Obama .I think this is what upsets people with her.Just like Crony Capitalists.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
34. This is a question for President Barack Obama, Hillary served at the request of the president.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

Actually she could have remained as Senator from NY, she was doing quiet well in that position. Perhaps if Sanders would have been qualified to be SOS maybe President Obama would have ask him but he chose Hillary instead. Sanders has his cronies, like Lockheed Martin and the NRA.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
45. It was indeed oblivious.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

"The lack of foreign affairs ability was very oblivious" - sometimes the typos reveal the truth.

aikoaiko

(34,184 posts)
5. Must correct you on something. Bernie was speaking out for black lives before BLM
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:41 AM
Nov 2015

He hadn't adopted the language of BLM yet but if you watch this short video the night before Netroots Nation 2015 and the BLMs first disruption of a Bernie Sanders presentation.

https://m.


But to the point of your OP. Bernie is successfully leading 30% of the Democratic Party to date.
 

Crystalite

(164 posts)
70. Bernie is at once ahead of his time and representative of core Democratic values of the past.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

One doesn't come across that often.

And it's clear that supporters of the status quo are VERY threatened by him.

This entire OP is evidence of that.

A post titled "made up shit" which is, itself, made up shit.

Right?

Lans

(66 posts)
8. Bernie's Foreign Policy
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

Is the only sensible one, if you think that the US needs to act as the World Police and choose which brutal dictator should be in power than obviously you have the wrong priorities.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. He is saying this without foreign policy experience, this would be a statement made
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:02 PM
Nov 2015

By someone without knowledge of foreign knowledge, thanks for providing his statement.

Lans

(66 posts)
30. I've not provided any statement
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 03:10 PM
Nov 2015

I'm telling you the reality of the situation, tell me out of tens of regime changes the US has tried to implement in the last 65 years which have been a resounding success. Starting in Syria in 1949 the overthrowing of dictators or regimes inconvenient to USA regional interests have proved to only breed more chaos and devastation:

Syria
Iran
Guatemala
Iraq
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Vietnam
Chile
Afghanistan

You can look into all the success with regime changes. All these countries which we propped up different factions sometimes at different times are pretty much standard bearers of democracy.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. LOL! They've moved on to something more stupid- Hillary is no longer Bill Clinton II
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
Nov 2015

Now she's Margaret Thatcher.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. Wasn't that just the most absurd thing? Are they still doing it?
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
Nov 2015

I kinda figured it would be a 24-hour fad. Maybe it will replace the "it's-2008-all-over-again" meme. (That one continues to amuse me.)

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
16. A conservative with a plan trumps a liberal because you say he doesn't have a plan.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:29 PM
Nov 2015

Got it.

Oh, but you may want to shore up the OP a little, since you made a claim you're unable to support, namely that people here are making things up about Hillary Clinton in order to defend Sanders. Just saying shit and pretending it's true is the domain of the George W Bush administration. On our side of the fence, we require an actual rationale. You're missing that piece.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
17. No one's making up anything about Hillary
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:44 PM
Nov 2015

So sorry her own record just doesn't fit with the narrative you're trying to push for her. Although if you just wait a bit she'll probably adopt rhetoric that fits her actual past a bit better. Assuming you actually SUPPORT that record.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
21. I don't know about all the other folks you're talking about.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:07 PM
Nov 2015

As for me, I think Sanders would have a good foreign policy. Vis a vis his appointments. But I think his chances of winning the nomination are very slim. I do hope that if Hillary wins the nomination and presidency, she would make good appointments too. Frankly I don't think there would be much difference in their foreign policy because most of that seems run by most of the same people. Joint Chiefs of Staff. What I'm hoping is that we avoid is another W. Administration of chickenhawks who start wars against the wrong countries. I think President Obama avoided that. I think Hillary or Bernie would avoid that too.

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
27. just to keep things honest
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:27 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary is a war monger
Hillary is in bed with Wall Street
Hillary is a republican
Hillary is not progressive
Hillary is not a Democrat
Hillary is Bill Clinton II

bernie himself did not say the above. he has called out clinton on her ties to wall street and her support of military action, but he certainly did not use the above terminology.

you did not accuse him of doing it, but just wanted to remind everyone

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. Honest, I like honest.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:16 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders is a war monger
Sanders is saying in bed with Lockheed Martin
Sanders is a independent, using the DNC
Sanders is a socialist
Hillary has been a Democrat, not just in the last few months
Sanders is June Sanders II

I am calling Sanders out for being war monger, voted for military action more times than Hillary has

He hasn't met a defense contract he would not vote and is able to keep the F-35 program going though the experts says it would lose in a dog fight. A war monger who wants to keep wars going in order to fund defense contractors.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
37. ok lets take these one by one
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:44 PM
Nov 2015

war monger...did not vote for iwr and does not like NF zone over syria and has called out many including hillary for too much military intervention

lockheed martin...need to research his ties (being honest here)

yes has been indy now dem...caucused with dems for bazillion yrs and is more progressive than some dems

socialist....yeah, good its what we need

dem/indy addressed above

i don't know who june sanders is

f35.... dont like it but not gonna withdraw my support for him based on that alone


 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
28. Sanders on foreign policy.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:39 PM
Nov 2015

His experience, his stance, and some of his quotes.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Foreign_Policy.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Foreign_Policy.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-determined-heard-foreign-policy/story?id=35295352

The only reason why you see Clinton as being attacked is because she has one stance - neocon military intervention. Her record is replete with examples. Sanders argues quite effectively that had we not gone to war in Iraq, the current crisis would not exist. So his goals will be to avoid such future mistakes - such as Clinton's support for troops on the ground and an expanded war effort in Syria.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
62. A clueless person knew Bush was lying us into a war with Iraq.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:01 PM
Nov 2015

What does that say about Hillary who fell for it?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
35. Hillaryspeak = Bernie has no foreign policy and doesn't get the Black vote
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:35 PM
Nov 2015

Hillaryspeak is spinning out of control

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
36. I do not even have to argue this one anymore. End of November and Sanders went nowhere in the race.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:38 PM
Nov 2015

He has only gone so far and stalled. It is over except for the votes. It is not even a debate anymore. More moving on to the general.

Being the pragmatic gal I am.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
42. Nope. You will have to get me five hides, again. Sigh..... ah well, that damn freedom of speech.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:19 PM
Nov 2015
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
46. You get yourself your own hides by being directly rude to people.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:20 AM
Nov 2015

It really isn't all that difficult to discuss things here without being rude.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
50. So you think you are perfectly civil and it is all a giant conspiracy to get you timeouts?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:01 PM
Nov 2015

Seriously?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
61. um uh, you?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:56 PM
Nov 2015

"Nope. You will have to get me five hides, again. Sigh..... ah well, that damn freedom of speech."

I responded to your bringing this subject up right here in this thread.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. Ive noticed that the defense of Hillary's lack of any concrete domestic policy is to make up
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:56 PM
Nov 2015

Shit about Sanders supporters, so why not?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
41. "We came, we saw, he DIED." You can't make up shit like that.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

He died, and what was left behind can only be classified as a failed state.

Assad kicked sand all over the red line the President and his Secretary of State drew in the sand. He gassed his own people, and laughed at The President and his Secretary of State.

You can't make shit like that up either. Hollywood would have a hard time writing material that reaches that level of ineptitude.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
49. How much foreign policy experience did Obama have?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:55 AM
Nov 2015

How much is necessary? Sanders has common sense, he doesn't have to hire focus groups and do polling to tell him right from wrong.

You are obsessed with his stump speech? Why can't you list the main policy goals of Hillary? Seems you can spit out Sanders from the top of your head, but never hers if she even has any.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
51. Like when he was the only member of our Govt to vote against the escalation of war or when
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:06 PM
Nov 2015

he held a conference on the failure of Greece ?? What foreign policy hasn't he covered ?

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
55. Bernie Sanders refreshingly SANE foreign policy
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/25/bernie_sanderss_refreshingly_sane_foreign_policy/

The part about not doing it alone is critical. To begin with, unlike most candidates, Sanders concedes that we’ve being going it alone for decades now, with disastrous results.

“Our response must begin with an understanding of past mistakes and missteps in our previous approaches to foreign policy. It begins with the acknowledgement that unilateral military action should be a last resort…and that ill-conceived military decisions, such as the invasion of Iraq, can wreak far-reaching devastation and destabilize entire regions for decades. It begins with the reflection that the failed policy decisions of the past – rushing to war, regime change in Iraq, or toppling Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, or Guatemalan President Arbenz in 1954, Brazilian President Goulart in 1964, Chilean President Allende in 1973. These are the sort of policies that do not work, do not make us safer, and must not be repeated.”

It’s astonishing how many candidates on the Right in particular simply refuse to acknowledge that our previous encroachments around the world have done more harm than good (For example, our invasion of Iraq created the vacuum into which ISIS inserted itself).

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
68. Your perogative, but he has been consitent. Hillary 'evolves' with the polls, & has reverted right
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

Now that she thinks she has won the nom.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
69. His anger turns me off. I can't trust someone who has a short fuse.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

Finger in the button and all that. He'll never get my vote. I don't want a nuclear war.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
79. He did it when discussing the sanitation workers strike.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:38 AM
Nov 2015

Very unfair of him to neglect to mention that they were black sanitation workers trying to get the same pay and treatment as white sanitation workers. Many felt erased from history. That is just one example. The rural/urban/gang talk also.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
74. For the people that are against the lack of domestic policy Hillary Clinton has... this post.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:40 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary is not a leader. She is mostly a rehearsed set of talking points.

There.

Thought you should look in the mirror for a minute.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
76. Hillary said 9/11 made her take the Wall Street money
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:41 AM
Nov 2015

No one made her say that. That was a terrible comment.

As for foreign policy, you are confusing most experienced with any good on the issues. Dick Cheney has more foreign policy experience than Hillary. But Bernie is a lot better on the issues.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
88. So you can easily list Sanders policy proposals
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015

But I note you cannot list Clintons. Is this because you DON'T know where she stands on any given day?

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