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Related: About this forumDid H. Clinton model herself after the "Iron Lady"?
Hillary Clinton modeled herself after the former British prime minister when she ran for the White House in 2008.
Penns* Platonic ideal of such a female leader was Thatcher. We are more Thatcher than anyone else, he wrote. Clinton, like Thatcher, he believed, was an Iron Lady and should present herself as such. Heres the relevant section from the memo on what Penn thought Hillary could learn from Thatcher:
*Mark Penn was Clintons chief strategist in 2006
More at: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-04-08/what-margaret-thatcher-taught-hillary-clinton
Killer Mike was disparaged by some when he said that we don't need to elect our own Margaret ("Iron Lady" Thatcher. Seems he isn't the only one that sees a connection.
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Did H. Clinton model herself after the "Iron Lady"? (Original Post)
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
OP
To be fair, given the patriarchal nature of politics, any female candidate for higher office
Maedhros
Nov 2015
#1
Sadly, that is still culturally necessary for a female. I remember the "cookie baking" hit and
libdem4life
Nov 2015
#2
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)1. To be fair, given the patriarchal nature of politics, any female candidate for higher office
must feel intense pressure to put up an "Iron Lady" facade.
However, the point is taken that Hillary may well have cribbed from Thatcher's playbook.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)3. Probably more like Angela Merkel
antigop
(12,778 posts)7. see post #6 below nt
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)2. Sadly, that is still culturally necessary for a female. I remember the "cookie baking" hit and
cringed.
merrily
(45,251 posts)4. The cookie baking hit when she gave the recipe for her favorite cookie?
http://www.today.com/food/presidential-spouses-favorite-cookie-recipes-1D80356945
Yep. Feminists were annoyed when she did that pivot.
Point is, though, if you've modeled yourself on Thacher, don't take umbrage and throw charges of sexism around like poo when someone says the US doesn't need to elect its version of Thacher.
Yep. Feminists were annoyed when she did that pivot.
Point is, though, if you've modeled yourself on Thacher, don't take umbrage and throw charges of sexism around like poo when someone says the US doesn't need to elect its version of Thacher.
antigop
(12,778 posts)6. HRC: "If people have doubts about a woman, they should look at Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/democrats/2548253/Hillary-Clintons-failed-strategy-inspired-by-Margaret-Thatcher.html
Aug 2008:
As late as March, however, Mrs Clinton was openly comparing herself to Lady Thatcher. "If people have doubts about a woman, they should look at Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel or other women who have been leaders of important countries - Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, my late friend Benazir Bhutto and so many others," she said in Toledo, Ohio in March.
The trumpeting of Lady Thatcher's qualities by Mr Penn, who has advised Gordon Brown and Tony Blair and is close to other senior Labour party figures, will confirm the suspicions of liberal Democrats that he and Mrs Clinton were out of step with the party's progressive wing and grassroots.
Joe Trippi, a veteran Democratic strategist who was a top adviser to the rival John Edwards campaign, said: "It's hard to run as Margaret Thatcher and be change. That was Hillary Clinton's whole problem.
"As a role model, it just goes against the grain and to try to map your strategy around that personality is not dealing with reality, both ideologically and in terms of the different era. Thatcher had the Falklands, George Bush had Iraq - we've got the exact opposite of the Thatcher situation."
Aug 2008:
As late as March, however, Mrs Clinton was openly comparing herself to Lady Thatcher. "If people have doubts about a woman, they should look at Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel or other women who have been leaders of important countries - Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, my late friend Benazir Bhutto and so many others," she said in Toledo, Ohio in March.
The trumpeting of Lady Thatcher's qualities by Mr Penn, who has advised Gordon Brown and Tony Blair and is close to other senior Labour party figures, will confirm the suspicions of liberal Democrats that he and Mrs Clinton were out of step with the party's progressive wing and grassroots.
Joe Trippi, a veteran Democratic strategist who was a top adviser to the rival John Edwards campaign, said: "It's hard to run as Margaret Thatcher and be change. That was Hillary Clinton's whole problem.
"As a role model, it just goes against the grain and to try to map your strategy around that personality is not dealing with reality, both ideologically and in terms of the different era. Thatcher had the Falklands, George Bush had Iraq - we've got the exact opposite of the Thatcher situation."
okasha
(11,573 posts)8. No. Eleanor Roosevelt.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)9. Yep
Killer Mike is right.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)10. ...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)11. Hilarious, isn't it?.
All those posters went into meltdown mode over KM's remarks when it came from her camp to begin with.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)12. No.