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I felt a personal sense of betrayal by Hillary's IWR vote. (Original Post) Live and Learn Nov 2015 OP
I agee but it's IWR not IRW. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #1
Oops, thanks - fixed. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #4
Vote for the candidate of your choice Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #2
It amazes me that anyone wouldn't see that vote as a serious betrayal of Democratic principles. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #7
Hillary is a product of her environment, Morphing is what we taught her to do, she'll no doubt orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #3
You don't need to support her... brooklynite Nov 2015 #5
When did Obama vote for the IWR? Are you confused? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #6
I think the point was that Biden did. n/t JTFrog Nov 2015 #9
Biden wasn't running for President. I wouldn't support him today either. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #10
But he was on the ticket you voted for. JTFrog Nov 2015 #12
Vice President doesn't have the same power. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #15
...and NO Republican crossover and few independents. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #8
Yep. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #16
I would have voted against kerry in the 2004 primary Scootaloo Nov 2015 #13
No, I don't want you to support her. leftofcool Nov 2015 #11
Okay. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #18
It's none of my personal business Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #14
Thanks for that enlightening post. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #17
Well, it just makes me wonder why you Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #19
You cared enough to kick it. Thanks for caring. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #20
I can kick it all evening if you'd like. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #21
Well please do. Thanks in advance. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #23
+1 The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #22
Is Hillary your aunt or distant cousin? oasis Nov 2015 #24
No, thank goodness. Why would you ask such a silly question? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #25
You said you felt "personally betrayed". That's a different level of oasis Nov 2015 #29
I shouldn't think so. We all spent years defending her so the betrayal hurt all the more. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #33
If Democrats "spent years defending her" prior to her 1st senate oasis Nov 2015 #41
Mellow drama upaloopa Nov 2015 #26
Simple truth. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #34
Alert results Bryce Butler Nov 2015 #27
Thanks for the results. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #35
FFS! Proserpina Nov 2015 #43
I felt betrayed by every prominent Dem who voted for the IWR, but especially John Kerry Martin Eden Nov 2015 #28
+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #36
Then don't. bigwillq Nov 2015 #30
Are you advocating people don't vote for her even in the GE? Hmmm. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #39
No (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #46
I feel personal sense if betrayal by any one who ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #31
Me too which is why I don't support Clibnton as our candidate. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #37
Well ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #42
I agree exactly and that's why I am voting for Sen Sanders. He has a better chance of rhett o rick Nov 2015 #45
so don't vote for her including in the GE JI7 Nov 2015 #32
Hopefully I won't have to. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #38
Have you considered telling her? ucrdem Nov 2015 #40
Oh, I told her and quite a few others right after their betrayal. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #47
I feel the same way… after voting for her twice, betrayal is putting it mildly. Agony Nov 2015 #44

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
7. It amazes me that anyone wouldn't see that vote as a serious betrayal of Democratic principles.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

You know, like supporting the truth.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
3. Hillary is a product of her environment, Morphing is what we taught her to do, she'll no doubt
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015

have a glib reason or start talking about changing one's mind, instead of flip flopping .

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
5. You don't need to support her...
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:52 PM
Nov 2015

...there will be about 20 M Democrats who will.

I trust you didn't vote for John Kerry in 2004 or Obama/Biden in 2008 and 2012?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
12. But he was on the ticket you voted for.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:10 PM
Nov 2015

I'm only bringing this up because you asked if that poster was confused.

However, I have seen these same declarations from others who had no problem voting for Kerry.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
15. Vice President doesn't have the same power.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

And Kerry was thrust upon us. I didn't support him in the primary. I did vote for him without enthusiasm in the GE but only because the other choice was totally disgusting.

I don't really care to relive those days with another choice between sickening and reprehensible.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. I would have voted against kerry in the 2004 primary
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
Nov 2015

But I was in Alaska at the time and it was wrapped up by the time we had our primary. And given the choice between an enabler and the architect in 2004, I held my nose for the enabler.

Do you or do you NOT think the Iraq war was a bad thing, Brooklynite?

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
14. It's none of my personal business
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:16 PM
Nov 2015

who you support or vote for just as it's none of your business who I support or vote for.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
19. Well, it just makes me wonder why you
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

seem to think that anyone really cares if you support Hillary or not - so much so that you felt a need to create an OP about it.

Lilith Rising

(184 posts)
21. I can kick it all evening if you'd like.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:42 PM
Nov 2015

I suppose then that a greater number of people will see that the general consensus was that you're free to support whomever you please.

oasis

(49,390 posts)
29. You said you felt "personally betrayed". That's a different level of
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:37 PM
Nov 2015

involvement than your average Democrat.

oasis

(49,390 posts)
41. If Democrats "spent years defending her" prior to her 1st senate
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

term, it was entirely justified because she committed no crimes nor cast any controversial votes.

Hill's IWR vote was disappointing to me but understandable given the deception of the Bush administration and false reporting by the mainstream media.

Bryce Butler

(338 posts)
27. Alert results
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:30 PM
Nov 2015

On Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:26 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I felt a personal sense of betrayal by Hillary's IWR vote.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251857731

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Alerting to Admins. As Skinner said here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598967 "Unfortunately, there are some people here who who say they won't support the nominee and actually won't. As we explained above, our feeling is that we want to give people the benefit of the doubt. But if you convince us that you actually mean it and you really aren't going to support the nominee, then we're going to treat you like you actually mean it. " Posting that the thought of supporting Hillary "makes me literally sick" is pretty convincing.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:29 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Posting that "THE THOUGHT of supporting Hillary makes me literally sick" does NOT equate to "I'm really not going to support" her.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: not worth a hide
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Should never have been an alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
43. FFS!
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:14 PM
Nov 2015

This is no way to run a website! Vigilantes shooting up the people who are engaging in discussion, posting reputable news or pundit opinions....and to no avail. It sure doesn't do their candidate a bit of good, and reflects badly upon her based on the kind of Tea-Party-like behaviors her candidacy engenders.

Martin Eden

(12,871 posts)
28. I felt betrayed by every prominent Dem who voted for the IWR, but especially John Kerry
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:33 PM
Nov 2015

Kerry gained the national spotlight when he led the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. In 2002 our country desperately needed his leadership along with Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and others to keep us out of another insane war, but they calculated the politics of the moment instead of the long term costs in blood and treasure and what would pour out of the Pandora's box Cheney and his Chimp were so eager to pry open.

They all lost my vote that day. Never in a Democratic primary will I ever support any of them.

And more than 12 years later, Hillary Clinton's judgment has not improved. She's still a hawk, still in favor of intervening to topple Middle East regimes (Libya & Syria) and opening the door to more chaos and bloodshed and terrorism on steroids.

My opposition to Hillary Clinton in this primary isn't just to punish her for the inexcusable IWR vote; it's because I don't trust her to keep us out of the next insane war.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
31. I feel personal sense if betrayal by any one who ...
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:41 PM
Nov 2015

... would let the republicans take control of the White House whether through their direct action or through their inaction.

Wow, I feel so much better now that I got that off my chest!!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
42. Well ...
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

... she will be our candidate.

And I guess you'll get to go through the various stages of grief right here on DU.

Or not.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. I agree exactly and that's why I am voting for Sen Sanders. He has a better chance of
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:44 PM
Nov 2015

defeating the Republicons. Voting for HRC in the primary will be putting a Republicon in the WH.

I felt a personal sense of betrayal by the Democratic Elites of our Party who in 2000 let a Republicon take control of the WH. They had the audacity to run another DLC Democrat when the people were tired of the Clinton/Gore "years".
So what does the Democratic Party Elites* want to do in 2016? The same damn thing they did in 2000, but they won't have Ralph Nader to use as a scapegoat for their terrible decision.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
40. Have you considered telling her?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

Write a letter and explain that you can't in conscience vote for her in the general until you hear her promise not to bomb Iran or Syria without Congressional approval. Make it reasonable and respectful and send it.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
47. Oh, I told her and quite a few others right after their betrayal.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:50 PM
Nov 2015

I can't promise I did it respectfully , however.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
44. I feel the same way… after voting for her twice, betrayal is putting it mildly.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:16 PM
Nov 2015

I held held my nose and voted once more… never again.

done with that shit. it's personal for me too.

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