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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:20 PM Dec 2015

Unions representing over 75% of all US unionized workers have already endorsed Hillary Clinton

There are 14.6 million union workers in the US. 16 unions representing 11 million members have endorsed Clinton. And while the rank and file can vote for whomever they want, it is clear that the "capital L" Labor has overwhelmingly sided with Clinton before the first primary has even occurred.

Clinton has been surgical in her shoring up of traditional Democratic demographics from unions to minorities to women. Support her or not, there is no denying that she learned her lesson from 2008 and has taken incredible steps to make sure it can't happen again.

Stats from: http://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/hillary-clinton-secures-another-union-endorsement-bringing-total-to-16/articleshow/50022453.cms

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Unions representing over 75% of all US unionized workers have already endorsed Hillary Clinton (Original Post) Godhumor Dec 2015 OP
Experience matters upaloopa Dec 2015 #1
their leadership has endorsed. I doubt the membership will follow like sheep roguevalley Dec 2015 #62
It's an impressive sight! :-D NurseJackie Dec 2015 #2
Truly huge. She has so much support from every segment of society. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #3
Very, very sad. demmiblue Dec 2015 #4
absolutely ibegurpard Dec 2015 #6
This! DebbieCDC Dec 2015 #8
and documented sonofspy777 Dec 2015 #9
you know it n/t 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #26
... Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #49
As First Lady, she introduced a form of No Child Left Behind in Arkansas Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #65
The landslide is moving now. Sancho Dec 2015 #5
HA! Its a little early to make that kind of prediction! liberalnarb Dec 2015 #17
It's not 2008...please continue to be snarky...demonstrates the true Bernie personality Sancho Dec 2015 #24
Labor endorsements don't guarentee landslide liberalnarb Dec 2015 #27
The landslide continues...Hillary on a record pace for endorsements - well above 2008 Sancho Dec 2015 #33
Feeling good! Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #7
Really? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #18
Unions seem to think so. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #51
Much like Walmart employees bvf Dec 2015 #53
Your dim view of union bvf Dec 2015 #10
What a truly amazing interpretation of the OP Godhumor Dec 2015 #11
Are you an active union member? bvf Dec 2015 #13
Yes I am. On both a national and state level n/t Godhumor Dec 2015 #15
Thats Great! liberalnarb Dec 2015 #20
Good. And if the national leadership of your union bvf Dec 2015 #48
no one has said that but you 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #30
Of course they don't. bvf Dec 2015 #46
Unions are very politically sophisticated MaggieD Dec 2015 #12
"it was an easy choice" says a lot!! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #14
Easy Choice? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #21
It would appear so, yes. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #22
It was an easy choice for a union leader to choose the least pro union Democrat running? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #23
Most unions did not choose Sanders, Clinton is clearly the best choice for unions. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #28
Care to explain? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #32
If you know much about unions there isn't a need to explain. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #36
I'll take that as a no then. liberalnarb Dec 2015 #37
Are you really familiar with unions then perhaps you would not be asking the question Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #40
You know this is just cheap back and fourth nonsense liberalnarb Dec 2015 #45
Okay Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #47
They Are Both Electable liberalnarb Dec 2015 #50
Okay great. Lets take a look at top donors: liberalnarb Dec 2015 #54
... liberalnarb Dec 2015 #55
you use "says a lot!" a lot. 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #34
# NurseJackie Dec 2015 #39
thanks, I do like Sheldon 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #43
Correction: Union Leadership has endorsed her; most rank and file union members berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #16
There is no indication, none, that "most" have revolted Godhumor Dec 2015 #19
Hardly. He is mocked by the union members R B Garr Dec 2015 #29
I am one of the union members not revolting, have seen members going Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #31
You are correct: you are one. But the union members berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #35
Perhaps the union members needs to understand why having a strong candidate to back is better than a Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #38
What they do understand is that they should vote berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #41
In this case Hillary is clearly the best qualified so it makes the choice of Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #42
Hillary is nothing but a pale shade berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #44
Yea, is this the reason we see his name on so many bills? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #66
Looking good! MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #52
Excellent! ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #56
Were these endorsements based on an actual rank and file vote, or simply a decision by union leaders EndElectoral Dec 2015 #57
You won't get an answer to this question. bvf Dec 2015 #58
K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #59
This is an impressive number of union endorsements Gothmog Dec 2015 #60
Yes, Hillary certainly seems to have a great deal of establishment support Fumesucker Dec 2015 #61
And 75% of union members disagree with the endorsements. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #63
On average depending on the union, 20% of union members are Republican Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #64

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
62. their leadership has endorsed. I doubt the membership will follow like sheep
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:28 AM
Dec 2015

having been a member and officer in five unions for 30 years. (AFT, NEA, SEIU, TEAMSTERS and AFSCME) I know how this works. All the endorsements of the leadership can't drive many votes. Most unions don't like being told who to vote for. But what the hell would I know?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. It's an impressive sight! :-D
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:26 PM
Dec 2015

Well ... for Hillary supporters that is! For Bernie's fans, I'm sure it's very disheartening and demoralizing. It helps to explain the anger and aggressive attitude we see. :-/

demmiblue

(36,875 posts)
4. Very, very sad.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:38 PM
Dec 2015

I don't consider her an enemy to unions (like Republicans are), nor do I consider her a friend to unions. She will most likely fail them, though. Hugely. It is kind of unbelievable that the teacher's unions back her given the deplorable policies of GWB and BHO in regards to education. I don't think she will be any different from either of them.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
65. As First Lady, she introduced a form of No Child Left Behind in Arkansas
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:19 AM
Dec 2015

My former history teacher, who was as dyed-in-the-wool Arkansas yellow-dog Democrat as you'd ever see, was incensed by what he considered to he "Hillary's meddling" in his classroom instruction. He was a great and dedicated teacher, devoted to his subject and his students, and supremely pissed that Hillary wanted to make him teach from a sanitized textbook, instead of from the unvarnished letters, pictures, and newspaper articles of people who had actually lived in those bygone ages.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
27. Labor endorsements don't guarentee landslide
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

And Hillary has support from Union leaders more than union members. I'm not denying that there is a good number of Hillary supporting union workers, you might be one yourself, but what I'm saying is that most union workers want the candidate that will stick up for them and benefit them the most (Bernie). The union leaders endorsing Hillary are part of the establishment. The same establishment that took progressivism out of the core of the Democratic Party where it was when FDR was President.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
33. The landslide continues...Hillary on a record pace for endorsements - well above 2008
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015
In the book “The Party Decides” (2008), the most comprehensive study of the invisible primary, the political scientists Marty Cohen, David Karol, Hans Noel and John Zaller evaluated data on endorsements made in presidential nomination contests between 1980 and 2004 and found that “early endorsements in the invisible primary are the most important cause of candidate success in the state primaries and caucuses.”

These endorsements can serve several purposes. In some cases, they directly influence voters who trust the judgment of governors and members of Congress from their party. In other cases, endorsements serve as a signal to other party elites. “It tells others who is acceptable and who is unacceptable,” Cohen, an associate professor of political science at James Madison University, said in an e-mail to FiveThirtyEight. “This is the coordination process that we believe goes on during the invisible primary and by way of public endorsements that was formerly and more formally undertaken at the convention.”


http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
53. Much like Walmart employees
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

think that living on goverment assistance is preferable to being paid a decent wage.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
11. What a truly amazing interpretation of the OP
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

Kudos to you for reaching that conclusion based off what I wrote.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
20. Thats Great!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

UNION YES! I'm just curious though, what is it that makes Hillary politically attractive to you? I'm not looking for a fight, we're all dems here. We just disagree on what is best for our party.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
48. Good. And if the national leadership of your union
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:32 PM
Dec 2015

were to endorse Sanders, you wouldn't say they spoke for you, correct?

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
30. no one has said that but you
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

the union leaders do not actually speak for the union workers. It's not a matter of them being mindless sheep, just not heard.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
12. Unions are very politically sophisticated
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:59 PM
Dec 2015

They know who will fight FOR them and who will be ineffective in doing so. As many of them have said "it was an easy choice."

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. "it was an easy choice" says a lot!!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:11 PM
Dec 2015

They didn't even bother with the typical conciliatory flattery with phrases like "it was a tough choice" and "we had an abundance of riches" or "it was pretty much a coin-toss" and "we would endorse both if we could".

No, they just flat-out laid it on the line... "EASY CHOICE!!"

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PS: Have you spotted yet the threads/comments suggesting that Hillary's union endorsement are the result of "fishy" things? (I presume that weasel-words like that are meant as a coy way to suggest payoffs, backroom deals, threats, dirty-tricks, fear and bribery?)

It's difficult to know whether comments like that are sincere, or if they're being made just to provoke. Whatever the reason, one thing is clear ... Bernie's fans are definitely NOT HAPPY these days.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
36. If you know much about unions there isn't a need to explain.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:50 PM
Dec 2015

I have lived the life of a union member, it takes experience to learn.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
37. I'll take that as a no then.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:51 PM
Dec 2015

This seems like a way to dodge explaining when there is no actual explanation.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
45. You know this is just cheap back and fourth nonsense
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:14 PM
Dec 2015

Lets either get real and back up our stances or stop posting. I'll start.

I think Bernie is the bust candidate for labor because:
1.Labor must be the first to step up to change the direction of the American political system
2.Labor Unions serve the working people and we want to have a government that serves the working people
3.We need a government that focuses on economic inequality and works towards ending it. Labor unions lead this fight.
4.Bernie is for the 99%. The people Organized Labor represents and fights for are all part of the 99%.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
47. Okay
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:29 PM
Dec 2015

I think Hillary Clinton is the best for labor because:

. 1. Hillary has the connections already established to push for issues to benefit working people.
. 2. Hillary understands working with unions is the strongest group to enrich families.
. 3. Hillary has an agenda focused on income inequality, it has been a strong point of her candidacy.
. 4. Hillary is the most electable, ergo having a strong candidate who is electable makes getting union ideas completed.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
54. Okay great. Lets take a look at top donors:
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:02 PM
Dec 2015

Hillarys Top Donors:

Citigroup Inc $824,402 $816,402 $8,000
Goldman Sachs $760,740 $750,740 $10,000
DLA Piper $700,530 $673,530 $27,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $696,456 $693,456 $3,000
Morgan Stanley $636,564 $631,564 $5,000
EMILY's List $609,684 $605,764 $3,920
Time Warner $501,831 $476,831 $25,000
Skadden, Arps et al $469,290 $464,790 $4,500
University of California $417,327 $417,327 $0
Sullivan & Cromwell $369,150 $369,150 $0
Akin, Gump et al $364,478 $360,978 $3,500
Lehman Brothers $362,853 $359,853 $3,000
21st Century Fox $340,936 $340,936 $0
Cablevision Systems $336,613 $307,225 $29,388
Kirkland & Ellis $329,141 $312,141 $17,000
National Amusements Inc $328,312 $325,312 $3,000
Squire Patton Boggs $328,306 $322,868 $5,438
Greenberg Traurig LLP $327,890 $319,790 $8,100
Corning Inc $322,450 $304,450 $18,000
Credit Suisse Group $318,120 $308,120 $10,000
AND NONE OTHER THAN FOX NEWS

Now Bernie's top donors:
American Assn for Justice $60,500 $500 $60,000
American Federation of Teachers $36,112 $745 $35,367
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $58,198 $1,200 $56,998
American Postal Workers Union $37,700 $0 $37,700
Carpenters & Joiners Union $62,000 $0 $62,000
Communications Workers of America $68,000 $1,500 $66,500
Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $53,100 $100 $53,000
Laborers Union $64,000 $0 $64,000
Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $105,000 $0 $105,000
National Assn of Letter Carriers $61,000 $0 $61,000
National Education Assn $89,242 $8,242 $81,000
Operating Engineers Union $46,100 $0 $46,100
Service Employees International Union $44,014 $5,750 $38,264
Sheet Metal Workers Union $47,000 $0 $47,000
Teamsters Union $93,700 $700 $93,000
UNITE HERE $42,875 $3,250 $39,625
United Auto Workers $79,750 $850 $78,900
United Food & Commercial Workers Union $72,500 $0 $72,500
United Steelworkers $41,750 $750 $41,000
United Transportation Union $48,500 $0 $48,500


Now Hillarys Top 5 Donors:
Citigroup Inc $824,402 $816,402 $8,000
Goldman Sachs $760,740 $750,740 $10,000
DLA Piper $700,530 $673,530 $27,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $696,456 $693,456 $3,000
Morgan Stanley $636,564 $631,564 $5,000


Now Bernie's Top 5:
UNITE HERE $15,000 $0 $15,000
Communications Workers of America $13,500 $0 $13,500
National League of Postmasters $12,500 $0 $12,500
Service Employees International Union $11,000 $3,000 $8,000
National Nurses United

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
34. you use "says a lot!" a lot.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

It's such an attempt to control phrase and your constant use of it, well, says a lot!

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
16. Correction: Union Leadership has endorsed her; most rank and file union members
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:13 PM
Dec 2015

have revolted against these endorsements.

R B Garr

(16,973 posts)
29. Hardly. He is mocked by the union members
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:44 PM
Dec 2015

I know. It's not that they are disrespectfully mocking him, but he is dismissed as irrelevant.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. I am one of the union members not revolting, have seen members going
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

In different directions and I support unions endorsing Hillary.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
35. You are correct: you are one. But the union members
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

Are deeply divided. On this you point you admit. And so the unions should not be endorsing any candidate unless a clear majority supports that candidate. That's not what is happening.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
38. Perhaps the union members needs to understand why having a strong candidate to back is better than a
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

Lesser qualified candidate will not be in position to assist unions.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
41. What they do understand is that they should vote
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:55 PM
Dec 2015

Based on their values not because someone thinks they can win!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
42. In this case Hillary is clearly the best qualified so it makes the choice of
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:03 PM
Dec 2015

Unions and myself easy, I choose the best qualified, Hillary Clinton.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
25. Looking good!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:37 PM
Dec 2015

I hope we have a few more good debates, and an excellent voting period. Then on the the GE!

Response to Godhumor (Original post)

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
58. You won't get an answer to this question.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:41 PM
Dec 2015

At least not one that provides any figures representing rank-and-file membership as a whole.

OPs like this are about as meaningful as an announcement about how the CEO of Walmart plans to vote.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
61. Yes, Hillary certainly seems to have a great deal of establishment support
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:53 AM
Dec 2015

Pity the establishment has so failed the American people.

I suppose one can hope that their performance in the past is not indicative of their future exploits.

Omaha Steve

(99,703 posts)
64. On average depending on the union, 20% of union members are Republican
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:39 AM
Dec 2015

Think they will listen to the endorsement? OOPS.

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