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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:18 PM Dec 2015

Clinton loses ground in latest New Hampshire poll (Sanders takes lead at Real Clear Politics)

Clinton supporters are spinning the latest poll in New Hampshire by Public Policy Polling (PPP) as good news for Clinton, but here is how PPP interprets its own polling results:

This is our first poll in the state since the field got cut in half and Joe Biden decided not to run and since then Sanders is the biggest gainer (+9), followed by O'Malley (+4), and then Clinton (+3). Sanders is actually easily the most popular of the Democrats with a 78/12 favorability rating, followed by Clinton's 68/22 spread. O'Malley is still an unknown to 48% of the Democratic electorate but does get a solid 38/14 rating from those who are familiar with him.

PPP uses a Interactive Voice Response/Online method. This PPP methodology has been generally favorable to Clinton (if you compare her poll numbers in the PPP polls to the polls taken in the same time frame, she tends to do better in the PPP polls). For example, in October, PPP had Clinton at 41% while 6 other polls released in October showed Clinton's support ranging from 30% to 39%.

PPP's most recent prior poll in New Hampshire from October showed Clinton with an 8% lead over Sanders. In today's poll, PPP reports that Clinton's lead has fallen to 2%.

PPP's current Interactive Voice Response/Online poll should be read in contest with the other recent New Hampshire polls from CBS News showing Sanders with a 7% lead and from Anderson Robbins/Shaw & Company Research for Fox showing Sanders with a 1% lead. This is why the Real Clear Politics poll aggregator shows Sanders taking an overall 2% lead in New Hampshire (46.3% for Sanders to Clinton's 44.3%).

So, we can listen to Clinton spin about today's PPP poll or we can focus on PPP's interpretation of its own poll: "Sanders is the biggest gainer (+9), followed by O'Malley (+4), and then Clinton (+3). Sanders is actually easily the most popular of the Democrats with a 78/12 favorability rating."
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Clinton loses ground in latest New Hampshire poll (Sanders takes lead at Real Clear Politics) (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 OP
vermont has been next to NH for his entire career. he should be ahead nt msongs Dec 2015 #1
Hmmmmm...., Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #5
Hate to tell clinton supporters but that menas nothing Robbins Dec 2015 #7
You know Clinton was a Senator from NY which is 50 miles from New Hampshire, right? Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #9
And that she helped protect Wall Street from the terrorists..... daleanime Dec 2015 #13
Sanders is picking up steam! Qutzupalotl Dec 2015 #2
while i unfollowed PPP on twitter due to clinton bias & bragging Robbins Dec 2015 #3
It's a bias towards Clinton moobu2 Dec 2015 #6
Who's ahead has nothing to do with bias. RichVRichV Dec 2015 #28
Yeah unless they show your candidate ahead. moobu2 Dec 2015 #33
Actually, it shows her losing the lead primarily because that ridiculous Gravis poll rolled off Godhumor Dec 2015 #4
Yup. Agschmid Dec 2015 #11
Hillary is soundly ahead in 96% of states. onehandle Dec 2015 #8
Except she's not: Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #10
Hey! Let's say your cherry-picked polls are right. That puts her at 92%. onehandle Dec 2015 #29
and as we get closer to people humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #16
Just imagine.... Fed up in NJ Dec 2015 #21
Polls only matter when Hillary's ahead left-of-center2012 Dec 2015 #12
August-October: Sanders leads in nine straight polls: October-December: Clinton leads in 7 of 12 brooklynite Dec 2015 #14
And the only one that matters is on February. morningfog Dec 2015 #26
So you concur that the OPs post is meaningless? brooklynite Dec 2015 #30
I concede that no polling at this point results in morningfog Dec 2015 #31
The message from some Clinton supporters is, "Bernie fans are a tiny minority." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #15
People coming to the conclusion humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #18
Let's see if the other tries to out-Neocon the Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #20
That candidate is keeping their true humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #36
As I have suspected humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #17
I think he'll do better in NH than polling indicates betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #19
LOL.. that is some serious pretzel logic! DCBob Dec 2015 #22
Thanks, AiT. Looks like it's far from over :) senz Dec 2015 #23
In some ways Clinton has peaked PATRICK Dec 2015 #24
Here is what is happening Android3.14 Dec 2015 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #27
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #32
Sanders is resurging - or the intermittant polls were faulty. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #34
Clinton got a bump from the Email hearings demwing Dec 2015 #35
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. Hmmmmm....,
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:43 PM
Dec 2015

Can't wait for the rest of the splain. As things stand right now, based on my highly accurate Town Dump Bumper Survey, my state will go Sanders and Trump and neither race will be close.

By the way Vermont used to be much closer to Pennsylvania, just ask Ben Carson.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
3. while i unfollowed PPP on twitter due to clinton bias & bragging
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:37 PM
Dec 2015

this is good news.a lead cut to 2% isn't much of lead anymore than fox's 1% lead for bernie.

PPP methodology is bias towards Clinton.

with all the clinton supporters on my ignore list i knew nothing on new NH poll.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
28. Who's ahead has nothing to do with bias.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:21 PM
Dec 2015

It's possible for a candidate to be ahead and a poll to bias against them by reducing how far ahead they actually are. That's still a bias.


I generally don't assume bias when polls are proven wrong (that implies something willful), I just assume they have poor sampling.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
4. Actually, it shows her losing the lead primarily because that ridiculous Gravis poll rolled off
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:42 PM
Dec 2015

The one that had Clinton at +21.

That was one giant blinking outlier from a piss poor company. I think the consensus has been for awhile that NH is a true toss up.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
29. Hey! Let's say your cherry-picked polls are right. That puts her at 92%.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:29 PM
Dec 2015

And we are just over 8 weeks until voting begins.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
16. and as we get closer to people
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:17 PM
Dec 2015

actually casting votes it seems that momentum is not actually her strong suit.

 

Fed up in NJ

(35 posts)
21. Just imagine....
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:44 PM
Dec 2015

....what the polls would show if that sorry excuse for a leader DWS actually let the people see the candidates in more debates and not on Saturday. Surprised the few left haven't been moved to Christmas morning, New Years Eve at midnight and the rest at 4 A.M.!

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
18. People coming to the conclusion
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:21 PM
Dec 2015

that only one candidate is General Election eligible and does not suffer a huge trust deficit with the American people.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
17. As I have suspected
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

The closer we get to people casting real votes, the higher Bernie's polling will be, Hillary supporters will squeal but where the rubber meets the road after he is the nominee we will heal and move forward and press serious momentum for the next President of the U.S. Bernie Sanders.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
19. I think he'll do better in NH than polling indicates
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:23 PM
Dec 2015

simply because the GOP race is pretty competitive which means no republicans can afford to show up at their open primary. Meanwhile liberal independents will be really motivated.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
24. In some ways Clinton has peaked
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:33 PM
Dec 2015

in her ability or desire to present herself or leadership agenda. What is left is a mix of familiarity and momentum and lots of money that may well indeed power her over to a state of winner's enthusiasm and at least acceptance.

But peaked she has if you are thinking only about the existential candidate presentation. It is Sanders who has lots of room energy and newness to slog through to actual votes for change. But no money, no insider support to match. So we'll see if the outsider can beat the past primary loser. Not many
past losers have succeeded in gaining the presidency. Nixon comes to mind, but he's a Republican.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
25. Here is what is happening
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:44 PM
Dec 2015

The argument that Bernie has a worse chance in the general election is false.

Therefore, many who currently support Clinton, but for whom Bernie represents their values more so than Hillary, have realized they can support Bernie in the primary without feeling like they are endangering the party and risking the White House.

Even if Clinton wins, a person who votes for Bernie in the primary can still vote for Clinton in the general election. If Sanders wins the primary, we'll have a good President at a time when the country desperately needs a good President.

We might even have a great President.

Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
34. Sanders is resurging - or the intermittant polls were faulty.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:16 AM
Dec 2015

Either way: Clinton's campaign already admitted the primaries could last beyond March. Sanders is becoming very. veru viable as a candidate for the Democratic Party (all of it, not just the Third Way and the 1 %).

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
35. Clinton got a bump from the Email hearings
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:26 AM
Dec 2015

And that bump is normalizing itself out of the polls. Totally expected.

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