2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumToday the senate voted to defund Planned Parenthood and gut the ACA
if Sanders were President, I can say with confidence he would veto the bill.
I can't say with confidence that Hillary wouldn't have given up something to compromise out of pragmatism.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Hillary is going to throw PP under the bus?
Jesus, this place is getting ridiculous, almost comical.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)How "pragmatic" are such tactics, when they lead to the inevitability of steady decline? Proven through statistics through several decades now.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)You keep on trying though.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Who knows what she'll compromise on next...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Snorts.
Walks away.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)You used to be better than that, if memory serves.
Sorry to have a post that focuses on you (regardless of your intent), but come on. I know you ain't no dummy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I have been here since July of 2003 and if the seminal poster was "ever better than that" it alluded me.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)You wore off on me.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)mucifer
(23,560 posts)I can't imagine she would defund Planned Parenthood and gut the ACA
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)While there are plenty of issues I disagree with her on, I think this is a bit of a stretch.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Of course that bill would have to be like the one he is backing to expand medicare to everyone.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)not really hearing opposing viewpoints for so long. Probably not since 2008. She is now starting to listen to them and finding out the at info and viewpoints that the yes people have been feeding her are probably wrong.
We still have plenty of time to find out whether her attitudes are real and that she believes in them enough to fight for them.
If indeed she is now listening to people other than her "Wall Street" type advisors, we will hear some new approaches come out. If not it will the same old stuff.
I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I am still for Bernie as he has a solid track record that I agree with, you may not. But that is why different people run for office.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)there no point in actually debating the comment it is *that* dumb.
Hekate
(90,779 posts)Oh wait, he IS the president. And he's going to veto the goddam bill.
And Hillary? She's been on the side of women and children her entire working life. Compromise? I don't think so.
What utter BS.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)when she defended Arkansas power utilities against residential rate-payers in Little Rock? She even argued that giving residential rate-payers a reduced rate and increasing the rates for businesses a tad amounted to an "unconstitutional confiscation of property". And the judge actually bought that crap.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Your candidate "lives in the real world, she knows she has to compromise to get things done" not my words but the words of many of her supporters.
What is the difference in compromising on this and on things like $12 an hour over $15 an hour? Over not reinstating Glass-Steagall and continuing to use SuperPACs. Creating some odd scheme to address the cost of college that will do little to actually make it affordable without taking on huge amounts of student loan debt and continuing to do little to nothing to address existing student loan debt. All of these items are up for more compromise if she is elected.
The PP/ACA cutting may be an extreme example but the impact, the end result, is not much different than the items we already know she has compromised on or is willing to compromise on.
Middle class and lower income people will be the people that will contine to get hurt. No surprise that a person with hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank would not understand. She thinks a household making $250,000 a year is middle class.