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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:08 PM Dec 2015

Today the senate voted to defund Planned Parenthood and gut the ACA

if Sanders were President, I can say with confidence he would veto the bill.

I can't say with confidence that Hillary wouldn't have given up something to compromise out of pragmatism.

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Today the senate voted to defund Planned Parenthood and gut the ACA (Original Post) berni_mccoy Dec 2015 OP
That is the most ridiculous comment I have heard all day. randys1 Dec 2015 #1
they're so f-ing desparate they'll throw anything just to see what sticks saturnsring Dec 2015 #14
"Pragmatism" highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #2
Complete and total crap to think Hillary would want either one defunded leftofcool Dec 2015 #3
She created the TPP after all.. berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #4
That's how the seminal poster rolls... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #6
Rolls eyes, procon Dec 2015 #5
Now you're just being silly. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #7
"You used to be better than that, if memory serves." DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #9
Trying to be polite. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #11
The seminal poster has accused Madame Secretary of everything but being a child of God. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #12
I'm gonna vote for Bernie. I don't agree with a lot of Hillary's positions on issues BUT mucifer Dec 2015 #8
I don't see that happening. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #10
Sanders would eagerly sign a bill that abolished the ACA. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #13
Here is the thing, Hillary has been surrounded by "YES" people for so long, living in that bubble LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #15
make up shit, then present it as fact. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #16
If Obama were President, I can say with confidence he would veto the bill. Hekate Dec 2015 #17
Was Hillary on the side of women and children Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #20
Live in real world angrychair Dec 2015 #18
LOL! CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #19

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. That is the most ridiculous comment I have heard all day.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary is going to throw PP under the bus?

Jesus, this place is getting ridiculous, almost comical.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
2. "Pragmatism"
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:10 PM
Dec 2015

How "pragmatic" are such tactics, when they lead to the inevitability of steady decline? Proven through statistics through several decades now.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
7. Now you're just being silly.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:18 PM
Dec 2015

You used to be better than that, if memory serves.

Sorry to have a post that focuses on you (regardless of your intent), but come on. I know you ain't no dummy.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
9. "You used to be better than that, if memory serves."
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

I have been here since July of 2003 and if the seminal poster was "ever better than that" it alluded me.

mucifer

(23,560 posts)
8. I'm gonna vote for Bernie. I don't agree with a lot of Hillary's positions on issues BUT
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

I can't imagine she would defund Planned Parenthood and gut the ACA

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
10. I don't see that happening.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:22 PM
Dec 2015

While there are plenty of issues I disagree with her on, I think this is a bit of a stretch.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
13. Sanders would eagerly sign a bill that abolished the ACA.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:29 PM
Dec 2015

Of course that bill would have to be like the one he is backing to expand medicare to everyone.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
15. Here is the thing, Hillary has been surrounded by "YES" people for so long, living in that bubble
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015

not really hearing opposing viewpoints for so long. Probably not since 2008. She is now starting to listen to them and finding out the at info and viewpoints that the yes people have been feeding her are probably wrong.

We still have plenty of time to find out whether her attitudes are real and that she believes in them enough to fight for them.

If indeed she is now listening to people other than her "Wall Street" type advisors, we will hear some new approaches come out. If not it will the same old stuff.

I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I am still for Bernie as he has a solid track record that I agree with, you may not. But that is why different people run for office.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
16. make up shit, then present it as fact.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:57 PM
Dec 2015

there no point in actually debating the comment it is *that* dumb.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
17. If Obama were President, I can say with confidence he would veto the bill.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:58 PM
Dec 2015

Oh wait, he IS the president. And he's going to veto the goddam bill.

And Hillary? She's been on the side of women and children her entire working life. Compromise? I don't think so.

What utter BS.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
20. Was Hillary on the side of women and children
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

when she defended Arkansas power utilities against residential rate-payers in Little Rock? She even argued that giving residential rate-payers a reduced rate and increasing the rates for businesses a tad amounted to an "unconstitutional confiscation of property". And the judge actually bought that crap.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
18. Live in real world
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

Your candidate "lives in the real world, she knows she has to compromise to get things done" not my words but the words of many of her supporters.
What is the difference in compromising on this and on things like $12 an hour over $15 an hour? Over not reinstating Glass-Steagall and continuing to use SuperPACs. Creating some odd scheme to address the cost of college that will do little to actually make it affordable without taking on huge amounts of student loan debt and continuing to do little to nothing to address existing student loan debt. All of these items are up for more compromise if she is elected.
The PP/ACA cutting may be an extreme example but the impact, the end result, is not much different than the items we already know she has compromised on or is willing to compromise on.
Middle class and lower income people will be the people that will contine to get hurt. No surprise that a person with hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank would not understand. She thinks a household making $250,000 a year is middle class.

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