DWS is protecting Sanders from having more than six bad debate performances. Hilary has handled the debates quiet well.

BTW, with Sanders doing around 30% in the polls I am not sure I am ready to take advise from a losing campaign, Hillary is doing very well. Remember this, she has had eleven hours restoring before a hostile GOP committee, debates are not a problem for her.

Doesn't really ring true. If you believe that, I've got some bridges to sell you.

Hillary is doing great in the debates, if there was more debates then it could be said DWS was helping Hillary. Sanders future performances is not likely to improve. Let's remember Sanders just underwent surgery, it takes about a year for a young person to get over being anesthesia, the older one is at the time the longer it takes. At this point he is not going to be as sharp.

Besides which if he's not your candidate and you feel the debates have gone against him, then you want more debates and less hidden ones also.

First debate was DWS was protecting Hillary with only six debates, turns out she is protecting Sanders, maybe we could start a petition to have more debates and show more weaknesses.

for two reasons: 1-I think your wrong about who 'won' the debates(especially the second one) and 2-We're burying our better ideas and allowing republican crap to own the stage. That's should be in no ones interest, although DWS doesn't seem to think so.

for him?

Hillary believes corporations are not only people but were (and still ARE) her constituents.

Where do you think Wall Street people live? She does have constituents, 8,491,079 in NYC, 19,378,102 in the state compared to 625,741 in Vermont. As you see there are many more constituents in NY than Vermont. Yes, there are a lot of CEO's who makes lots of money and lots of employees of corporations in NY, if it is okay for Sanders to get donations from his constituents then it is okay for Hillary to get donations from her constituents.

Every day

It comes down to a simple question of why not more debates and why have restrictions on debates?

Let the dice fall where they may.

And I think that this year, especially, the polls are unreliable as predictors of outcomes.

He does very well with online and realtime polling and that's not reliable, and he doesn't poorly in polls that measure conventional voters in conventional and possibly outdated ways.

I think it's a real horserace, but I also think he's done well in the debates. You must admit all opinions are subjective, nobody has chocked and nobody has hit a home run.

Good one.

Then Hillary should welcome more debates.

And theres the biggest sticking point for many Hillary supporters if they think about a Sanders win.

They dont want a real progressive winning, they really prefer the status quo.

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By and large, the majority of posters on this board support Sanders. Far too many are crass, rude, name call, insult both Hillary and her supporters, attack Hillary at a personal not just political level and to top it all, they seem to like to use RW talking points while they are doing it. They also make a point to trash any positive Hillary post. A little class and maturity would be helpful. We are not the enemy.

It has gotten so bad, that when I meander this way, I only do it to shake my head and chuckle. It's as if some people are living in a parallel world. They are just as bad as the extreme RW types who populate Free Republic. They too don't represent the majority of their party.

Yeah you kind of are.
You are aiding and abetting the people who are blatantly stealing our representation with their money and lobbyists.

Hillary supporters see Sanders as an opponent, not as an enemy.

Should she win the primary.
People see her and politicians like her as standing in the way of the wholesale changes we need to make to our entire political system. You are not enough and the rest of the population either doesn't like her or will tune out another election.

The far Left does not comprise the majority of Democrats, let alone the majority of the population.

If Hillary leads with Democrats then she has a majority of about 30% of the voting population. Where does the other 25 % or more needed to win the election come from? Republicans? Unaffilateds? Completely disenfranchised?
Democrats are the only ones giving her positive approval ratings. Everywhere else it's underwater. Where are you going to get those votes? Hillary has no room to move. Everyone's known her for decades and voter impressions about her are baked in. In a year when people are in no mood for establishment and status quo.

Personally, I don't think that this country is ready to elect a self described "Democratic Socialist" who would be 75 years old on election day. The Republicans will probably nominate a clown who will make the Democrats a far more palatable choice. Right now, their #1 choice is Trump, their #2 is Cruz. Trump is a megalomaniac jerk and Cruz is despised within the party because he's not a team player and only cares about himself. He's only popular with the extreme Right.

You represent you.

I'm not talking about most Democrats.
I'm talking about everyone else. How many times must you be told that less than 30% of the voting population is not enough to win an election until it finally sinks in?

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DUers shouldn't be calling each other "the enemy" and accusing them of aiding and abetting. This is over-the-top and hurtful.

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Holyfuckingshit.

Which is who actually controls the levers of power? The general public or a few people with a lot of money and lobbyists? If not then you are not my ally.

But the trouble with all-or-nothing democrats such as yourself is your insistence on an ideologically pure candidate or policy before the political weather is strategically right usually gets you nothing.
I'm not saying the time isn't right for Sanders. Maybe it is.

But Politics is more than about policy. It's an evolutionarily slow game of momentum. If Sanders has the most momentum behind him, I'd say go with Sanders. In the end your nominee has to beat the Republican opponent. And I'd rather move forward on some things out of a Clinton win than go backwards after a Republican win.

I think calling other democrats "enemies" is divisive, immature and a political error.

It's enough to just say to democrats you disagree with that they are mistaken or are advocating the wrong policy.

She will not challenge the stranglehold that moneyed interests have on our political system and we will continue to see our public goods and services dismantled.

This kind of post is so fucking disgusting to read on DU. Get over yourself already.

Classy response.

but I'll know better next time.

I responded to the wrong person.

Mea culpa.....

Been there and done that, lol. Especially if I'm on my phone.

Thanks for your reply.

I won;t say enemy, but during the primary season, Hillary is definitely the opposition. Let's not pretend her supporters don't see Bernie through a similar filter.

Of being a rape-promoting pervert.

How's that for "class and maturity"?

Yes, a lot of people here support sanders. Yes, a lot of people have issues with Hillary's approach to politics, her history of triangulation, her vote for the IWR.

Some of them even claim they wont vote for her if she's the nominee. I am not one of them, and I vehemently disagree with that position, but the time to have that fight is after we have completed the primary process.

The way I see it, Hillary supporters have been called "third way" or "corporatists", and perhaps thats not fair- meanwhile, Sanders supporters are called white supremacists, volvo driving rand paul lovers, delusional pony wanters, and most crucially, NOT REAL DEMOCRATS because we refuse to line up behind a presumptive nominee who, nevertheless, hasn't won the thing YET.

That's not even getting into the nastiness which has been thrown at us, collectively and individually by name, at that "other site" set up for hillary supporters to gossip and coordinate at.

I think the name calling is lame, the drama sucks, and the rhetoric is WAY out of proportion to the actual parameters of the political debate.

But the slo-mo tantrum on the part of Hillary people started when they realized that a good chunk of DU wasnt just going to fall in line behind her, just because - and, in fact, that as a progressive site probably a lot of people here were going to go with the most objectively progressive candidate available.

Not seemingly wanting to engage Sanders or his backers on a straight up comparison of the relative issues and policy proposals, almost immediately some people here started trying to make it about a whole ton of other shit. And that has been going on for MONTHS, and it's ugly.

I know one of these days primary season will be over and we will need to come together- not the enemy? NO SHIT. EXACTLY.

I can think of at least one website in particular where it might be helpful for you to go make a post about who on your own side is "not the enemy"

most ardent supporters which include some of the regular supporters on this forum are just downright unhinged and hateful and will with a straight face claim that it is Hillary and her supporters that are being persecuted. This is every bit as delusional as anything coming out of the Donald Trump brigade.

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped, racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, drooling, sweating old fool, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies, thinks that orgasms prevent cancer and is supported by Stormfront.

WE are.

There are far more anti-Hillary posts than anti-Sanders posts on this site. So, no, I don't need to take the "telephone pole" out of my eye.

When it comes to the rape allegations, anti-Semitism and accusations of racism, Hillary's supporters are much closer to freerepublicans than Bernie's are.

I suggest that you peruse some of the anti-Hillary posts and comments.

I'm not saying Bernie supporters don't go too far as well because they do, but those posts are so vile and hateful they still take my breath away. Especially considering the fact DU loved Bernie before he entered the race.

I just prefer another candidate and I don't appreciate the insults against her, her politics, her family and even her marriage. If I wanted to read that kind of crap I would go to a RW site.

Half the toxic ops are from Sanders supporters, ya think it might be sugar coated a bit. Lol. Wasn't expecting to read that openness.

People get a free pass just because they happen to hold an ideological position that is in the minority?

Can't Hillary's backers here make the case that she should win the nomination without having to imply all manner of nasty shit about Sanders and his supporters?

... I'll donate money. No matter which of our candidates it is.

And ... I will not TRASH any of our candidates.

Not now, not after the primary.

If the party decides to have more debates, cool ... if not ... still cool.

I'm not going to whine about "the party".

The GOP just voted to defund planned parenthood, and repeal the ACA.

This shit matters.

A GOP President would sign that legislation, and then invade Syria the day after.

Dems better wake the fuck up. The GOP can not be allowed to control our government. Period.

This is the time when we're supposed to get our own house in order before presenting it to the wider voting public for their consideration. There is nothing wrong with calling out internal flaws now, it saves them biting us in the ass later.

I know you're right, but right now I commit to Bernie only and won't consider him not getting the nomination. The disaster that is our foreign policy must stop, and I think Bernie's our best hope. I can't get past that fact that Hillary voted to give the authority for war to a reckless and incompetent administration.

Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders and other posters here really opened my eyes to the terrible way the DNC has been treating the debates. I too join in respecting and requesting more debates so that we can get to know all our candidates much better, and debating with each other in full and fair and impartial debates.

I strongly urge the DNC to gain back the endorsement and support of the League of Women Voters, in all democratic party debates from this moment forward.

My guess is by Super Tuesday we will know who the nominee will be. So between then and the nomination this place will be a zoo.

After that we all will support the nominee or we won't be here.

Between now and then I don't expect fairness. I'll leave it at that. I know what the replies will be if there are any.

Bravo.

I don't like it when we fight.

Such as Black Lives Matter or minority groups with...um, Syndromes. Stay above the fray.
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You should be happy he doesn't have more chances to look uninformed. That aside, I would love more debates, because Hillary really shines during them! I will definitely notify the DNC that they should give us more debates. Thanks for reminding me!