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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:06 PM Dec 2015

progressivestoday.com lies about Sanders

An OP relying on progressivestoday.com has recently been posted. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329 (Claiming Sanders paid his family members in 2004-05 with campaign funds)

progressivestoday.com has fabricated stories about Sanders before, from whole cloth.

I fell for one myself. It claimed Sawant would not endorse Sanders. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128036499#post62

In fact, Sawant had endorsed Sanders. I posted a correction.. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779780

In the story in the OP claiming Sanders paid his family members in 2004-04 from campaign funds, there is supposedly a link the Vermont Guardian. However, when you click on the link, you go to a Christmas message and song in the Vermont Guardian.


CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD APK FILE
We wish you a merry Christmas song Download


http://www.vermontguardian.com/

Proceed with caution.
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progressivestoday.com lies about Sanders (Original Post) merrily Dec 2015 OP
K&R TSIAS Dec 2015 #1
MASSIVELY. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #3
Sanders campaign paid family members LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #2
Commissions are different! And there's no nepotism like Clinton nepotism. merrily Dec 2015 #8
Can I observe that nobody appears to check the FEC database? brooklynite Dec 2015 #4
No one's arguing that he didn't pay the people working on his campaign. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #5
If anyone is really interested in this they could check the FEC fillings. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #6
The one who posted an OP based on a lying source that links to a Christmas song should check the FEC merrily Dec 2015 #7
You keep calling that a "lying source" but fail to demostrate where they lied. Why? George II Dec 2015 #10
My OP demonstrates they flat out lied about Sanders before. That makes it a lying source. merrily Dec 2015 #11
No it doesn't. All the OP does is say that YOU think they lied. You haven't posted a single... George II Dec 2015 #14
Untrue, George. My OP linked to two threads, one of which was based on a merrily Dec 2015 #15
"Based" on a story, but you never say anything specific about the story or provide... George II Dec 2015 #61
Why are you attacking the op instead of your associate who posted a link to a racist rw site? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #63
Again, read the damn thread. The posts on that thread make clear what the deleted OP said. merrily Dec 2015 #64
We don't care what the deleted OP said, that is YOUR words and interpretation of the so-called.... George II Dec 2015 #76
Do you care that Maggie still hasn't deleted her link to that racist tea party website? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #79
Stuff they said about Hillary, these folks you claim don't lie: Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #32
Why are you defending a racist right wing site here? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #50
But nowhere do you provide where "it claimed Sawant would not endorse Sanders". George II Dec 2015 #9
Read the thread. Posters pointed out the OP story was untrue, so I deleted it and posted a true merrily Dec 2015 #17
How about if his own campaign admitted it? MaggieD Dec 2015 #12
Pick and choose much? polly7 Dec 2015 #13
Also, the 30K the wife got over 3 years appear to have been commissions on ad buys, at least merrily Dec 2015 #18
VERY modest, is right. What a pathetic attempt to smear. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #19
It's not his Presidential campaign either. That doesn't make a legal or moral difference, but merrily Dec 2015 #23
Not exactly. Modest commissions on ad buys and modest payment for services rendered is not merrily Dec 2015 #21
Okay, so we go from saying it's not true, to saying it's okay because it's Bernie MaggieD Dec 2015 #22
Baloney. That's not what I said in the OP or any post. That's just typical MaggieD spin. merrily Dec 2015 #24
I've gone from saying your source is right wing racist filth to saying your source is right wing Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #30
+1 merrily Dec 2015 #55
Indeed. She's not just citing it, she's defending that filth here. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #57
Wooosh passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #34
Thanks for setting the record straight, merrily. Duval Dec 2015 #16
I see the smears are contuning about bernie Robbins Dec 2015 #20
And now I'm getting smeared, for posting "proceed with caution" about a RW source that lied merrily Dec 2015 #25
Quite the hypocrisy. They post right wing smears and have a problem with you calling it what it is. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #44
How's this for laughable? merrily Dec 2015 #49
After this they have no right to whinge about anyone else. Ever. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #56
Bookmarking this thread? merrily Dec 2015 #58
Lol! Yes, teh evul bookmark feature will be deployed! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #60
Just don't use teh evul Edit feature! kath Dec 2015 #81
LOL! But I have to give the stalkers something to do! :) beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #82
They're playing their assigned role. arcane1 Dec 2015 #59
They really don't think it that far through. jeff47 Dec 2015 #83
They also bash Clinton, call Democrats deranged and have a long history of racist rhetoric and lies. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #26
And linked to a Christmas song as its source for this story. And all I said was "proceed with merrily Dec 2015 #27
Presenting it as you did is not the same as demanding the source be respected as Mags does Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #28
I agree. It's amusing that a Democratic source critical of Hillary is dismissed because he merrily Dec 2015 #29
His campaign staff admitted it was true MaggieD Dec 2015 #45
Again, not exactly. merrily Dec 2015 #52
But if it serves your purpose, Bernie haters will use it passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #37
So can we count on you to say the same about Hillary smears? MaggieD Dec 2015 #31
That site you used to bash Bernie is chock full of Hillary Smears of the worst kind. You brought Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #33
I don't have time to refute all the crap posted about me or those I support. I had nothing to do merrily Dec 2015 #41
LOL - you have time to post an OP MaggieD Dec 2015 #42
Let me know when you reach out to defend me or Bernie against the crap that gets posted about us. merrily Dec 2015 #46
Why are you quoting right wing racist sources on DU, Maggie? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #47
why are Bernie supporters doing that? MaggieD Dec 2015 #53
I'm asking you, why are you quoting racist right wing sites here? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #54
My crowd is Democrats. Your source is a Hillary hating racist bigotry festival that Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #62
Nope Times Argus! MaggieD Dec 2015 #65
Funny that post is about Rahm. TM99 Dec 2015 #70
Not a big surprise to see who posted a link to a tea party rag either. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #35
Thanks, BMUS. I appreciate it. merrily Dec 2015 #38
Bernie Derangement Syndrome -- soon they'll be quoting Krauthammer! nashville_brook Dec 2015 #66
Well they did link to Stormfront so I'm not surprised by anything they do. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #67
the fact that stormfront keeps popping up *should* tell them something nashville_brook Dec 2015 #68
They do it on purpose, it's not even a dog whistle, it's a bloody foghorn. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #69
well, HRC does have a deficit of "white guy approval" -- wouldn't be too hard to imagine how nashville_brook Dec 2015 #74
Exactly. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #75
You have a huge heart for expecting better from the OP who cited the right-wing fabrication Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #36
Thank you, but I cannot take credit for expecting better. merrily Dec 2015 #39
I noticed how offending post was promptly self-removed when the lie was exposed. Oh, wait ... Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #40
Some poster claimed for two days that I had posted something I never posted before finally merrily Dec 2015 #43
Being literally shameless gives one a lot of latitude Babel_17 Dec 2015 #77
knowing how stories (including on social media) are pitched from a PR/Comms perspective nashville_brook Dec 2015 #71
the word progress may be the most misused word in the English language olddots Dec 2015 #48
Progressive Policy Institute, so named so calling it "conservative" would seem silly. Yet, it's merrily Dec 2015 #51
More lies from the Scheme and Scam Crowd. SoapBox Dec 2015 #72
It's a variety. Lies, smears, half truths, misleading omissions--a stinky potpourri. merrily Dec 2015 #73
You'll enjoy what Clinton's ally David Brock has to say Babel_17 Dec 2015 #78
I'm lol at that source Babel_17 Dec 2015 #80

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
1. K&R
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:10 PM
Dec 2015

I'm guessing they lie about other Democrats, perhaps even Hillary Clinton.

I perused that site. I'm not wasting any more time there.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
2. Sanders campaign paid family members
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

From the timesargus article

Snip

Such payments are not illegal, but some watchdog groups say they raise questions about nepotism. "It's a form of self-dealing and anytime you're involved with self-dealing, questions are going to be raised," said Larry Noble, head of the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based campaign finance watchdog group.

Weaver argued that both Jane O'Meara Sanders and her daughter Carina were well qualified for the work they did. "Both Jane and Carina are widely respected for their work in politics and public service in Vermont," he said.

Mrs. Sanders worked as a media buyer — the person who places campaign ads on television and radio in 2002 and 2004 and did some other consulting for the campaign in 2002.

Media buyers typically earn a commission of about 15 percent of the cost of placing an ad. In 2004, Jane Sanders earned about $11,000 for about $70,000 in media buys, Weaver said. In 2002, Sanders took commissions of about $14,500 for media buys of about $98,000, Weaver said. She earned an additional $4,800 for other consulting to the campaign.


Snip

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050414/NEWS/504140364/1002/NEWS01

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
4. Can I observe that nobody appears to check the FEC database?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:18 PM
Dec 2015

...which logs all expenses an contributions?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. No one's arguing that he didn't pay the people working on his campaign.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:21 PM
Dec 2015

But this teabagger source (the owner of the site is, in fact an active member of the Tea Party) is conflating payment for work done with "funneling." Funneling of course implies a behind-the-scenes, under-the-table, shady activity.

Amid all sorts of other ugly, asinine smears against democrats. All of 'em. it's not just anti-Sanders. The crap there about Hillary is pretty amazing, too.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
6. If anyone is really interested in this they could check the FEC fillings.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:22 PM
Dec 2015

If they did actual work I don't see a problem with it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. The one who posted an OP based on a lying source that links to a Christmas song should check the FEC
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

filings since she keeps claiming they exist.

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. No it doesn't. All the OP does is say that YOU think they lied. You haven't posted a single...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

....word of what that source said, you just reference back to various DU OPs, one of which you deleted anyway.

If progressivetoday lied, why not state when/how. Seems easy enough to do, if it's true.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. Untrue, George. My OP linked to two threads, one of which was based on a
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:23 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)

progressivetoday story claiming Sawant would not endorse Sanders and the other of which showed Sawant had endorsed Sanders. You can tell from reading the posts on the thread whose OP that I deleted due to falsehood that the deleted OP had said that Sawant would not endorse Sanders. www.democraticunderground.com/128036499 The progressive today story was a flat out lie. The two stories were directly contradictory, with the one from progressivetoday.com being flat out false.

If you can see or admit that, too bad.

If you are looking for me to re-post a link to the story I deleted from my own OP due to falsity, no, I am not going to do that

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. "Based" on a story, but you never say anything specific about the story or provide...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

...the story itself. So how do we know that your interpretation of that story is correct without being able to read the story itself?

This is all going around in a circle with you failing (or refusing) to say specifically what was said in the story that you're calling lies.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
64. Again, read the damn thread. The posts on that thread make clear what the deleted OP said.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015

And my final post on that thread makes clear that I deleted the OP because the story from that source about Sanders was false. You have been being willfully ignorant about this. I don't have a high opinion of your credibility, based on this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251640125 and some of your other posts, including about this; and therefore I don't much care what you think of mine. People I do respect think highly of my credibility and that is good enough for me.

I am not going to link intentionally to a false story from a ratfucking, racist site, which I would consider irresponsible, nor am I going to reply to more hectoring from you about it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
76. We don't care what the deleted OP said, that is YOUR words and interpretation of the so-called....
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:22 PM
Dec 2015

...."lying article".

So without the article on which you based your judgement, we can only assume that it didn't lie.

Bye....

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
79. Do you care that Maggie still hasn't deleted her link to that racist tea party website?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:29 PM
Dec 2015

You do realize they make money from all the traffic she's driving there, right?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
32. Stuff they said about Hillary, these folks you claim don't lie:
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:17 PM
Dec 2015

Of Course: Hillary Clinton Rushed To POLITICIZE The #SanBernardino Shooting

SURPRISE! Hillary Clinton Used State Department TO MEET WITH TOP DONORS

Hillary Clinton Claims Blocking Syrian Refugees Will Make MUSLIMS MAD AT COPS

Hillary Clinton Backtracks After Being Called Out For Saying ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT
http://www.progressivestoday.com/?s=hillary+clinton

Really pointed photo editorial choices as well, go take a look, that's all on one page, plus more and the photos!!!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. Why are you defending a racist right wing site here?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:34 PM
Dec 2015

And attacking the people who called it what it is?

After reading Blue's information I can't believe anyone thinks that kind of source is acceptable.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
17. Read the thread. Posters pointed out the OP story was untrue, so I deleted it and posted a true
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:27 PM
Dec 2015

story in a new thread. Both the deleted Op thread and the truth telling thread are linked in the OP.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
12. How about if his own campaign admitted it?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

"Rep. Bernard Sanders' wife Jane was paid about $30,000 from 2002 to 2004 for work on his campaigns, while his stepdaughter Carina Driscoll got about $65,000 over a five-year period ending last year, a Sanders aide said Wednesday.

Jeff Weaver, chief of staff to the Vermont independent, provided those totals amid reports Tuesday that about four dozen members of Congress had hired family members to work on their campaigns or with political action committees."

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050414/NEWS/504140364/1002/NEWS01

polly7

(20,582 posts)
13. Pick and choose much?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015
Jane O'Meara Sanders worked in her husband's congressional office for about six years during the 1990s, four of them as chief of staff. She did not take a salary for that work. Chiefs of staff typically earn between $120,000 and $150,000 a year.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. Also, the 30K the wife got over 3 years appear to have been commissions on ad buys, at least
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:30 PM
Dec 2015

according to the argus story. In any event, no one "funneled" campaign funds to family. They were either commissions or very modest payment for services rendered.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
23. It's not his Presidential campaign either. That doesn't make a legal or moral difference, but
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:41 PM
Dec 2015

it is relevant.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. Not exactly. Modest commissions on ad buys and modest payment for services rendered is not
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:37 PM
Dec 2015

funneling campaign funds to family members. However, my OP says this source lied about Sanders in the past and links to a Christmas song, so proceed with caution. Nothing about that is false.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
30. I've gone from saying your source is right wing racist filth to saying your source is right wing
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:07 PM
Dec 2015

racist filth. My argument, as always, has been consistent. Much to your endless annoyance as an engineer of divisive acts of political recklessness.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
20. I see the smears are contuning about bernie
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:33 PM
Dec 2015

Do people really want to open this can of worms? Clinton FOundation anyone?

He must be a threat if they are trying to smear him.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
25. And now I'm getting smeared, for posting "proceed with caution" about a RW source that lied
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:45 PM
Dec 2015

about Bernie in the past and linked to a Christmas song as its source for this story. LOL!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. Quite the hypocrisy. They post right wing smears and have a problem with you calling it what it is.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:30 PM
Dec 2015

Pity they're so upset.

A real tragedy.



 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
59. They're playing their assigned role.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:45 PM
Dec 2015

Doing a shitty job, definitely, but playing it nonetheless.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
83. They really don't think it that far through.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:52 PM
Dec 2015

They simply know very, very little about their chosen candidate. So it never occurs to them that the bullshit they are throwing to see what sticks could come back to hurt them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. They also bash Clinton, call Democrats deranged and have a long history of racist rhetoric and lies.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:46 PM
Dec 2015

That website is right wing filth. Muslim bashing, immigrant bashing, Democrat bashing right wing nonsense.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. And linked to a Christmas song as its source for this story. And all I said was "proceed with
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:48 PM
Dec 2015

caution."

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. Presenting it as you did is not the same as demanding the source be respected as Mags does
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015

That place bashes the ever living crap out of Hillary. And everyone else. It's Tea Bag rat fuckery.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. I agree. It's amusing that a Democratic source critical of Hillary is dismissed because he
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:59 PM
Dec 2015

once voted for Paul, even though all his other votes all his life were for Democrats. But I cannot even say "proceed with caution" about a totally RW source that lies and links to a Christmas song as its source.

No double standards at all.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. That site you used to bash Bernie is chock full of Hillary Smears of the worst kind. You brought
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:20 PM
Dec 2015

them here and vouched for the honesty of the source, strongly.
Of Course: Hillary Clinton Rushed To POLITICIZE The #SanBernardino Shooting

SURPRISE! Hillary Clinton Used State Department TO MEET WITH TOP DONORS

http://www.progressivestoday.com/?s=hillary+clinton

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. I don't have time to refute all the crap posted about me or those I support. I had nothing to do
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:28 PM
Dec 2015

with the post that seems to bother you. It's ludicrous for you to expect me to refute everything on DU that you disagree with or suggest I have some duty so to do. Not surprising, but ludicrous.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
42. LOL - you have time to post an OP
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

About right wing sources, but not time to say anything when Bernie supporters do it daily. Got it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
46. Let me know when you reach out to defend me or Bernie against the crap that gets posted about us.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:31 PM
Dec 2015

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
47. Why are you quoting right wing racist sources on DU, Maggie?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:32 PM
Dec 2015

merrily isn't the one who is spreading tea party filth all over the place.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
54. I'm asking you, why are you quoting racist right wing sites here?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

If you think that kind of source belongs here (and you obviously do since you cited it) you have no right to complain about anyone else.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
62. My crowd is Democrats. Your source is a Hillary hating racist bigotry festival that
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

attacks any and all Democrats, voters and officials alike. Are they part of your crowd?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. Not a big surprise to see who posted a link to a tea party rag either.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:22 PM
Dec 2015

Their hatred makes them so desperate to find anything to swift boat Bernie they don't care what they get into bed with.

Unfortunately they brought it back here with them so there it sits, stinking up this forum like an open sewer.

Good catch, merrily, thanks for the warning.



nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
66. Bernie Derangement Syndrome -- soon they'll be quoting Krauthammer!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:52 PM
Dec 2015

oh wait... http://www.democraticunderground.com/110728945

Leibovitch compared the phenomenon to “Bush derangement syndrome,” a term coined by Charles Krauthammer to describe “the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay —t he very existence of George W. Bush.” But while the adverse reaction to Bush often bordered on hysteria, Krauthammer’s phrase comes from 2003 — when America was becoming deeply entrenched in a costly war that it became clear was founded on a myth. If Saddam Hussein was not involved in September 11, as Bush later admitted, the opposition to Dubya was less derangement than a deep sense of betrayal.



Critiquing HRC's Wall Street ties is JUST LIKE when people had "Bush derangement syndrome" -- b/c now that's a thing for HRC supporters. When you're in Krauthammer's corner it's time to question how you got there.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
67. Well they did link to Stormfront so I'm not surprised by anything they do.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:55 PM
Dec 2015

I honestly believe bigotry is what's behind a lot of this hatred for Bernie.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
68. the fact that stormfront keeps popping up *should* tell them something
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:57 PM
Dec 2015

but they're so eager to "get a hit" i suppose, they just don't care. it's the worst kind of bad faith.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
69. They do it on purpose, it's not even a dog whistle, it's a bloody foghorn.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

When someone links to a racist site or a hate group and then defends their actions it's no accident.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
74. well, HRC does have a deficit of "white guy approval" -- wouldn't be too hard to imagine how
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:15 PM
Dec 2015

folks with no moral compass could use racist/stormfront material as a stand-in for authentic cultural discourse.

there does come a point when it appears over and over again where you have to wonder if it's not intended for that audience. if i were a white guy, i'd be really disgusted that folks in my party thought this is what i'd respond to. time for white guys to distance themselves.

HRC herself is known for ugly dogwhistles. remember the whole thing when she was on 60 Minutes and wouldn't distance herself with the dogwhistle smears of Obama being a Muslim. she could have taken the high road and said hell no, and put that shit to bed. but instead she weaseled around with "you'll have to ask him."

That's like cage fighting trash talk -- not presidential debate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
75. Exactly.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

After her 2008 campaign I'm not surprised that her supporters are using this tactic again.

It's only a matter of time before her campaign employs the same method against Bernie.


merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. Some poster claimed for two days that I had posted something I never posted before finally
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

admitting I never said it. I don't expect diddly squat.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
77. Being literally shameless gives one a lot of latitude
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

But it does burn through ones credibility in very short order. Having the patience to allow things to play through until what's what becomes clear is a virtue. I salute you.

Salute!

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
71. knowing how stories (including on social media) are pitched from a PR/Comms perspective
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:04 PM
Dec 2015

it wouldn't surprise me if the person who posted the *original* Gateway Pundit stuff, had been flacked. they might be aware that they're doing the bidding of the PR/Comms team, maybe not.

having the "third party" site to direct to is classic.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
48. the word progress may be the most misused word in the English language
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:33 PM
Dec 2015

we have "progressed " to our current state oligarchy .Progressivestoday is a trolling handbook .

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. Progressive Policy Institute, so named so calling it "conservative" would seem silly. Yet, it's
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:36 PM
Dec 2015

an offshoot of the DLC and its founder signed the PNAC letter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710158

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
78. You'll enjoy what Clinton's ally David Brock has to say
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:17 PM
Dec 2015

Some background:

http://www.progressivestoday.com/about/

Jim Hoft, founder and proprietor of The Gateway Pundit, brings you the new online project “Progressives Today.”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Matters_for_America

"MMfA was founded in 2004 by journalist and political activist David Brock"


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/books/review/david-brocks-killing-the-messenger.html

"In Brockworld no criticism of the Clintons has ever contained a shred of truth."


OK then.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/09/21/jim-hoft-dumbest-man-on-the-internet/170927

"With a few exceptions, the upper echelon of the conservative blogosphere is a mess.

Breitbart's "Big" websites traffic in misleading non-scandals and have published people like 9-11 truther Michael Moriarty, racist penis-enlarger/vagina-tightener Kevin Pezzi, and former SNL actress/spouter-of-incomprehensible nonsense Victoria Jackson. NewsBusters and The Media Research Center spend a lot of time finding the liberal bias in television shows that don't treat their gay characters as ostracized sub-humans.

Atlas Shrugs is run by a woman that is haunted at every turn by Islamic crescents, and whose hatred for the president once compelled her to claim that his penchant for "purple" (actually blue) neckties meant that Democrats were "Flying the Gangsta Colors at the White House." Confederate Yankee Bob Owens - who also writes for Breitbart and the Washington Examiner - openly speculates about whether he and an army of "freshly-experienced combat veterans and graying patriots" are going to have to start killing people to combat the "slavery" of health care reform.

But despite all this stiff competition, Jim Hoft (aka Gateway Pundit) stands out as uniquely incompetent. Hoft runs with (or spawns) almost every inane story that bubbles up in the conservative blogosphere, has proven that he has absolutely no vetting process for the sources he cites, and apparently has a hard time with basic reading comprehension."


Lol; that's just the warm-up!

I'm devastated to learn some Democrats find his site worth visiting as a source of reliable information. And I'm also shocked and dismayed. (but mostly devastated)

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
80. I'm lol at that source
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.progressivestoday.com/about/

About

Jim Hoft, founder and proprietor of The Gateway Pundit, brings you the new online project “Progressives Today.”

Many Americans who consider themselves left of center have an antiquated sense of today’s Democrat party. This is not their father’s Democratic party. Democrats today are controlled by, and answer to, the most radical elements of their party. Yet, with cover generously provided by the mainstream media, progressives are able to push their influence in the shadows. And they have no shame.

Progressives Today follows and publicly exposes the radical elements of the institutional left. It will be the go to resource for all elements of the progressive movement through old school investigative journalism. We will cover their conferences with undercover reporters, we will interview their leaders, we will follow their writings, teachings, social media presence. Our goal is to finally hold the left accountable for their radical opinions, their destructive policies and their dangerous anti-American agenda.

One of the goals of PT, in addition to simply exposing progressives, is to expose their views to moderates and Democrats so that a choice must be made. It is our strong belief that, Progressives Today will cause many on the left to re-evaluate their political alliances.

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