yeah, we probably will

Nominate Hillary, lose the WH.

His fans spent even half their time building him up instead of trying to tear other candidates down. But I shouldn't even be telling you that. The more she is attacked the higher her poll numbers go. Because she is very well liked among Democrats.

or you suffer along with the rest of the group.

Attacking Hillary is just their way.

If you disagree and think lies shouldn't be brought to the forefront, then please let everyone know how sad and pathetic your viewpoint is by stating it here.

The republicans couldn't do it and neither can any amount of anti Hillary stuff posted here.

What is pathetic is that voters cannot point out lies of candidates who are running for PRESIDENT without getting flack from supporters of said candidate. Get a grip.

I mean if you seriously are against vetting candidates that are running to become the democratic nominee, our democracy is in an even worse place than I had previously thought.



Ps, It is done ALL the time for republicans, but what is even more important is to be well-informed about the candidates that our votes are are actually going to be in support of. If you disagree with this, please let me know WHY, because i truly do not understand your logic whatsoever.

despite it being proven constantly.

This is a serious life and death decision and I can't understand how some people can so easily forget that so big mistake of believing George Bush and condoning his war.

Liked by Democrats that are part of the oligarchy.

Not trusted by a majority of us.

Hillary will protect the wealthy at our expense.

Right now she is guided by polls and consultants telling her which way to swing. But, once elected, she will work for those that paid her.

Oh, you just did!

I see it but can't believe that person is still allowed to speak here!

There are so many more lies!

we would be outraged. Why do some here not hold their own candidate to the same standards? HRC's statements are indefensible. We can and must do better.

Man she was in Bosnia during that time.. She knew something could happen to her in the air of when she hit the ground..plus she was laughing about how she was running away..Not facing the bullets..

Give me a freaking politician in last 20 yrs who has not bent the truth a little..dozen’s of times.

Grandparents were immigrants..Who gives a crap..

The things which are mentioned here are just plain nothing, especially in the world of politics.

Posts like this? You deserve Donald Trump as your next President...

Seems that the older people around here who feel safe w their SS/Medicare are not that concerned with the prospect of a fascist govt..

imperative that we not elect a president that is financially backed by corporations. We already have a corptocracy which is only a step away from fascism. We must get big money out of politics. All Democrats should agree with that.

I don’t give a dam about her relationships w/ the banks and wall street.. I know its all messed up and she was a player at one time, but right now Hillary is our best card, imperfect, but its our best chance.. Thanks for your input .

Bernie will smash them all in the end.

lost to the status quo brought to us by the 1%. Clinton is a member of the 1%, they fund her campaign, her foundation and even her personal wealth. Quid pro quid is expected. She doesn't even pretend to have strong stands on SS, fracking, the TPP, etc. And if she does propose fixes for problems, they will be funded by us and not a dime from her very close friends in the 1%.

If the vulnerable among us in the 99% are to survive, we must break up the corruption of our government by big money.

Any more than 'Deflection' equals 'Reflection'.

Champions of Deflection they are.

her fans don't even care.

when the Kochs run ads like that and all her flip flops every day down the stretch of the general election

they have developed some values that have reached the peak of their evolution, like WAR and Death, and the killing of innocents, and the plight of the underclasses.

Apparently, this doesn't not apply to Hillary.
She evolves faster than that alien girl from the SF movie "Species".
Don't turn your back, or she might evolve on your ass again.

But Hillary is our best bet to stop this incredibly horrible political and judicial assault on our country..

For God’s sake a huge part of our electorate are just plain stupid thus ill informed.. Can’t take a chance..

Most don’t know who Bernie Sanders is...Believe me with all the hate/stupidity going on...”Protecting our Homeland Crap”?When the independent middle starts reading about Bernie’s Socialist Agenda (of course stupidity at its most) with Millions upon Millions of Ad $s from the Oligarch’s in this Country......Well, thats why I’ll stick with H..

She completes it.

Will we see the following statement also 'evolve'?

"As it stands now, I do not support the TPP."

She left herself quite a bit of room to maneuver out of that one, especially since she made it after it was too late for any impact. That is the same TPP that allows corporations to sue governments who enact climate change policy, which sounds a lot like corporate control of world governments. Forget about Oligarchy, it sounds like we're headed straight to Plutocracy.

The question is, why do you have so much trust in her?

On Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary lying video compilation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251877080

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This thread is nothing but 100% flame bait. This kind of "discourse" does nothing for the already unhinged tone of this place lately.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:55 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with the alert. Nuff said.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems to be facts, backed up with recorded evidence.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The video isn't inflammatory, doesn't demonstrate RW talking points, uses news footage, and is in the proper forum. This alert seems like a fishing expedition imho.
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We have a poster on this board right now linking to a racist , right wing website (not the first time, mind you) trying to smear Bernie Sanders and the alerter wants THIS hidden? Hillary Clinton's own words? LEAVE IT ALONE
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Typical to alert.

Good job jury.

To whoever altered this. "Flamebate" lmao, don't get your panties in a bunch because someone has made a compilation of HRCs hypocrisy and lies. She was free to speak them, we are free to view and compile them.

Hillary Clinton's own words are called "flame bait". It just doesn't get much more bizarre than this.

No RW talking point, or video, is low enough to post here.

Awkward, I know.

Careful how you answer.

I'm against censorship. What doesn't surprise me is that the Sanders' supporters would post anything, no matter how low, to try to bring down Hillary. Well, it won't work. They can keep giving themselves pats on the back, but they are preaching to their own choir. No one here is going to defect from Hillary to Sanders due to of one of these nasty posts. Quite the contrary, they are counterproductive.

might wanna edit to amend that

Got her in the mess of this.

No, really?

Of course you do.

Which makes your choice for president quite clear.

I personally like a candidate that has a looooong background of telling the truth.

as they say this is perfectly fine.

I cannot wrap my head around their mentality.

if Clinton gets to the GE, we will see it many more times.

Her own words, recorded for posterity, not to mention to be thrown at her in the general election. If Clinton makes it to the general election, it will suppress the Democratic vote and be a blood bath for all the Dems down ticket.

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas or values, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.

She lies constantly. She flip-flops on issues at the drop of a hat. She is a war hawk. She was a mediocre Senator who accomplished very litte. Kerry's had to spend the past couple of years cleaning up the mess she left at State. She is a pathetic candidate by every measure, but because she's married to a popular ex-President, we all have to pretend she isn't a joke of a candidate.

It's a well established habit with her.

Calling a candidate's public statements "flamebait" "lies" and whatever else.

Also a new definition of "pathetic loser".

It seems like something one would find on a forum that was against electing Democrats not devoted to doing so.

That seems like something one would find on a different kind of site - as opposed to a site where the person who created and runs it is an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter. And whose statement of purpose is for all of us to be in the service of helping to elect Democrats, especially for POTUS.

Keep posting RW videos and talking points. Some of you apparently will stoop to any low to bash Hillary. What's left? A post accusing her of killing Vince Foster or a list of the "Clinton Body Count"? Heck, you might as well go for the whole enchilada. Goodness knows that you are already in Freeper land with this OP.

Although, You are wasting your time. The only thing all these types of attacks are creating is animosity and a determination to work even harder to help nominate Hillary.

Are you claiming she did not actually say those things? That her own words are just as bad as lying about Vince Foster?

I don't think Democrats are even supposed to be aware that Lindbaugh, et al. even accused her of that.

Seriously, this bury-your-head-in-the-sand attitude about Hillary Clinton is what is rather silly. The Repuglicans are going to go full-bore on her if she gets the nomination on things like these lies and on every scandal from cattle futures to the Clinton Foundation.

But we aren't supposed to mention these problems with her candidacy?

If there are problems with Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley -- have at it, in my opinion. That worst thing would be to be surprised after the convention and we have a nominee.

But the Hillarians are the 'conservatives' of this nomination process ... it's her turn; Repuglicans are going to control Congress forever; single-payer is bad; don't push a livable wage; etc. I'm not surprised that they don't want to vigorous a discussion of Mrs. Clinton's past.

some folks are so classy

Specifically I keep seeing them from Clinton supporters. What's up with that?

for someone to sign up here and share "concerns" about Clinton and the Democratic party. The hatred for the leading Democratic candidate and a Democratic President is every bit as intense, if not more so, than what takes place on conservative sites. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck, even if it thinks it's a swan.

As for "lies," fact checking sites deal with these questions. This is how Clinton rates:

True39 (28%)(39)
Mostly True31 (22%)(31)
Half True29 (21%)(29)
Mostly False23 (17%)(23)
False15 (11%)(15)
Pants on Fire2 (1%)(2)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

Sanders:

True8 (19%)(8)
Mostly True15 (35%)(15)
Half True8 (19%)(8)
Mostly False6 (14%)(6)
False6 (14%)(6)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

It's that so few are willing to debunk it. I debunked it several posts down.

There's some really gullible people recommending and cheering this stupid trash. It's easy to make a video like this about any candidate. Just throw in some scary music and a mash up of undated clips.

Debunk my ass.

Anyone who has cameras on them for that many years is going to say different things. And gullible people will promote these types of videos.

At this point they disgust me so much that, as far as I'm concerned, they have become irrelevant. I don't think any better of them than I think of conservatives. They are an annoying buzzing sound in the background, nothing more.

these posters wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the last person on earth and they know it

they're just here to stir shit up and making Sanders look wonderful in the process *sarcasm*

they pretty much just make me sick; wish they would just go away and let the real Democrats debate the issues instead of this crap

They like to stir up the pot to rile her supporters. Therefore, it's better to start ignoring them.

as progressive, yet they seem to love pissing all over them.

For uncovering my lies! This is just a small sample, I assume!

I'm done with DU. After 14 years I'm out. Absolutely disgusting behavior on this board.

Time for change. She was yesterday's news in 08' and has only gotten worse since.

Don't leave, just ignore this particular board. It has become a cesspool.

sucks too.
According to RW sites

Thank goodness we can't post from RW sites!

These are worn out.

why I'm concerned with her candidacy

Many of those lies took place before her last run. They've have many more now (9/11 got her Wall Street money).

When I saw the lying compilation and flip-flop compilation of 2008, it cemented my support for Obama. And I have not recovered, particularly when Bernie is so honest and decent.

This is how politifact rates the truthfulness of the two candidates.


True39 (28%)(39)
Mostly True31 (22%)(31)
Half True29 (21%)(29)
Mostly False23 (17%)(23)
False15 (11%)(15)
Pants on Fire2 (1%)(2)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

Sanders:

True8 (19%)(8)
Mostly True15 (35%)(15)
Half True8 (19%)(8)
Mostly False6 (14%)(6)
False6 (14%)(6)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

The notion that Sanders is inherently more honest than Clinton is not borne out by the evidence, and Politifact is exceedly generous toward him in a number of places (Super Pacs come to mind).

Note than for the first Democratic debate, he had more responses ruled false than any of the others. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check/

None of those ratings account for the fact that he has built a campaign around making promises he KNOWS he can't deliver on. Single payer is a key example.

On March 10, 2010, Sanders insisted single payer was never a possibility. That was during a period when Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate.

This is how politifact rates the truthfulness of the two candidates.


True39 (28%)(39)
Mostly True31 (22%)(31)
Half True29 (21%)(29)
Mostly False23 (17%)(23)
False15 (11%)(15)
Pants on Fire2 (1%)(2)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

Sanders:

True8 (19%)(8)
Mostly True15 (35%)(15)
Half True8 (19%)(8)
Mostly False6 (14%)(6)
False6 (14%)(6)

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

The notion that Sanders is inherently more honest than Clinton is not borne out by the evidence, and Politifact is exceedly generous toward him in a number of places (Super Pacs come to mind).

Note than for the first Democratic debate, he had more responses ruled false than any of the others. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check/

"On March 10, 2010, Sanders insisted single payer was never a possibility. That was during a period when Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate.
...
Yet now, with a Republican majority in both houses, it's suddenly possible if he becomes President? Why didn't he work on that during the healthcare reform debate? Back then he said it was a non-starter, but suddenly it's a reason to elect him? Pull the other one. "

"He has also admitted to funneling campaign funds to his wife and daughter".
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050414/NEWS/504140364/1002/NEWS01

“....
Jane Sanders was a professional media buyer who had worked on numerous campaigns in Vermont, Weaver said.
“She’s clearly the best in Vermont,” Weaver said. “I’m sure Tarrant would hire her if he thought she’d work for him.”
...
Luke Albee, former chief of staff to Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), said attempting to paint Sanders as corrupt will not work in Vermont.

“This is not Mrs. DeLay,” Albee said. “She is known in Democratic and progressive circles as probably the best. She’s really talented, she’s really smart.”

Furthermore, in order for Tarrant to get traction on the issue people have to believe the claims of personal enrichment might be true, he said.
...
People have watched Bernie for 26 years — he works his heart out, he never relaxes,” Albee said. “You can criticize Bernie Sanders in a variety of ways, but for people to believe that Bernie is in this for the money just doesn’t pass the laugh test.”
...
Sanders issued a letter to Tarrant on Monday asking him to apologize for the “dishonest statements that your campaign has made about my wife and pledge not to do it again.”

Some of it's easily debunked. For example, claiming she lied about gay marriage by showing an earlier clip. She evolved on it. So did the large majority of Americans. That doesn't demonstrate a lie. Same for the Bill Clinton stuff. He said he had only sent two emails before the email nonsense was exploited. Play ominous music. Play random clips. Voila! Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts! Barack Obama is a Muslim!

I feel the same, and say so, when manipulation is used to smear O'Malley or Sanders. For example when rabid Clinton supporters claim Sanders is a Socialist or a rape apologist. That's plain nonsense. Or when someone says O'Malley is responsible for the problems that occurred in Baltimore after he was mayor, but does't mention the good things in that city like peaceful protests and better community relations.

and Republicans. The woman is a complusive liar.

The fact that his fans are in overdrive trashing the front-runner tells me all I need to know about Sanders' primary prospects.

complusively lying can't win the general. Why we want to elect a flawed candidate who has never successfully led on a major issue in her career is beyond me.

If their guy can't win, then they will do whatever it takes to make sure that Hillary doesn't win either. Petty and spiteful. Reminds me of a certain other candidate named Trump.

Playing video clips of Hillary is trashing her!

Truth hurt much?



Hint: She needs no help trashing herself.

Dumpster diving for baubles with which to adorn their moral superiority.

So videos of Hillary Clinton speaking are now "dumpster diving"?

That's a pretty awful thing to say about Ms. Clinton.

wherein lies The Revolution's frustration. It is difficult to develop a real political strategy.

but then again SCOTUS/FIGHTER/GLASS CEILING (NOT GLASS-STEAGAL)/ONLY SHE CAN BEAT THE MEANIES IN THE GOP!!!