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Sanders: I Will Not Buy Into Their Plan To Ignore Americas Problems To Talk About ISISsnip>
As a nation and as a people, we have got to understand that our country faces a myriad of very serious problems if you turn on the TV, what they now say is, Well weve got one problem, its ISIS, Sanders said, launching into a sarcastic impression of the they on television this week.
We dont have to worry about old people not having enough to eat. We dont have to worry about having more people in jail than any other country. We dont have to worry about the disappearing middle class. We dont have to worry about economic and wealth inequality we dont have to worry about institutional racism, or a broken criminal justice. We dont have to worry about that. All we should focus on now, 24/7, is ISIS, Sanders said.
Heres what I say, he went on, I say that ISIS must be destroyed and I say that we have got to build a coalition which destroys ISIS. But I say that we are a great enough country and a smart enough country that we can destroy ISIS at the same time as rebuild a disappearing middle class. We can do both.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sanders-i-will-not-buy-into-their-plan-to-ignore-americas-pr#.sfEokR7j6J
Autumn
(45,120 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)And manipulate the populace.
This Citizen applauds Senator Sanders for same.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)One of the oldest tricks in the book => we are being attacked!! You and your children are in danger! Nothing else matters!!! Squirrel!!!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Of course we can do both. You were the only one making it seem like it's either one or the other.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)That is right, he didn't.
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stupidicus
(2,570 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)And it's not wholly on accident.
People living on the bottom of the pile are terrorized every day by unemployment, shitty pay, abusive cops, failing schools, corrupt politicians, substandard housing, a poisonous environment, etc etc etc.
Terrorized by the system.
Also headline is misleading because he doesn't say he won't talk about ISIS, but only that he will not let it crowd out other vital issues.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)jalan48
(13,881 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)I pray I am wrong.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)they've improved somewhat over the little missing blond girls they used so much during the Bush admin, but their efforts at distraction remain the same.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Absolutely, we are the greatest nation. And if we truly believe that, then we've got to accept that we're capable of handling all of it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We have 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty and only one candidate is speaking to that.
We have 16,000,000 of our children living in poverty and another 16,000,000 living in low income homes.
We have the poorest health care for our 99% (best in the world for the 1%) in modern world.
We have the widest spread between the haves and have-nots in the modern world. 20 families own wealth equal to 50% of Americans.
While millions of our children go to bed hungry we spend over 50% of our budget on war machines.
We have by far more people incarcerated that any other country. Conservative making millions via "for-profit" prisons.
We have militarized local police killing innocent black males across the country.
We invaded Iraq for profits for the 1%. And we brought back torture. We still have innocent people locked up in Gitmo.
I hate to tell you but American Exceptionalism is dead.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)is one of humility. The one that has the ability to accept these as our flaws and understand we are still great enough to overcome them. It is an exceptionalism based in reality.
It is the reason I'm voting for Bernie, because he is an American that sees our flaws and knows our strengths can overcome them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)are. We have a lot of work to become great in my opinion. And the first step is to wrest control of our government from the 1%.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I guess you could say I'm proud of the good our country has done, and I love it enough to admit it's faults.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I thought the same thing over the past few weeks. The economic elitists of both parties are frantically trying to keep the discourse, the "buzz" of economic populism buried deep beneath a pile of vapid MSM BS.
artislife
(9,497 posts)You shouldn't have gotten a hide on that sage advice.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)the power grab in the US.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)^^^ This is why.^^^
azmom
(5,208 posts)Bernie is so right.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Hope this helps:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/income-and-wealth-inequality/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-in-politics/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/creating-jobs-rebuilding-america/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-living-wage/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/climate-change/
https://berniesanders.com/a-fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-womens-rights/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-lgbt-equality/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/caring-for-our-veterans/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/strengthen-and-expand-social-security/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/real-family-values/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-should-be-the-last-option/
Thanks for the list Liberalnarb!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
- Hermann Goring, super-nazi
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Classic shock doctrine tactics.
Guess what else is getting largely ignored because of the scary ISIS threat?
Hint: it's taking place in Paris as we speak.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)"I, Bernie Sanders, don't know jack about foreign policy, so let's just ignore it right now."
Let's face it, the last thing Bernie wants is for the country to pay attention to any foreign policy issue because he is clearly out of his element on the issue. Some pols will say and do anything to get elected, regardless of how it impacts the country.
I wonder if the people in San Bernadino think it's just a distraction.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)In fact, Hillary is in partly responsible for the creation of ISIS. Is that what we want more of?
It is not Bernie that doesn't understand foreign policy but your post clearly indicates that you don't understand the relationship between economics and foreign policy.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Her role in finding and killing bin Laden, better relations around the world after the disaster that was Dubya, better relations with China resulting in a 50% increase in US exports, brokering a cease fire in the Middle East. Just a partial list.
Thanks for asking.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)and her mocking.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)She is a very accomplished woman, whether you like it or not. I know it's inconvenient for Bernie supporters but that's just tough luck for you.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And your facts are just that, yours.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)That doesn't make them facts.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)To back up what I know is true. I don't think Bernie supporters have been paying much attention if they try to claim she doesn't have a wide range of foreign policy accomplishments.
That's just nonsense.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'll be in reality land if you need me.
ESKD
(57 posts)Hasn't your teacher told you this before?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And the items cited are facts. No opinion about it. She did those things.
It's silly to argue that she is not accomplished - particularly in the area of foreign policy. You're wasting time on that canard.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Massive refugee problems.
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras to name a few. It's like she has the golden touch!
Bernie has the more sensible solutions to problems in the ME.
Blue_Adept
(6,400 posts)Or vice versa.
Take your pick.
All this says to me and many others is that Bernie's not ready to be a national candidate that has to deal with a wide range of issues. A lot of it is central to the income inequality and all that's related to it, but there's a whole lot more and this just reinforces that notion that he doesn't have what it takes.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)he wants to address the issues that helped to create ISIS. That is a vast difference from Hillary's plan.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not one of our three candidates is only focusing on ISIS. Seems it isn't that he isn't "buying their plan," he is doing what the rest of the field is; discussing the major issues that face us today.
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-isis/
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Which is it? It can't be both.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Truly. It is clear that by "all of the time" I simply meant often. Beyond simply to get that from what I wrote.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Forgive me for not being able to comprehend the incomprehensible.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)gut financial regulations in the negotiations over the current spending bill?
Congratulations if you do. That means you are paying attention.
But it isn't happening according to the Mainstream Media and most politicians who are shrieking about nothing but terror,terror,terror.
That's what Bernie is referring to as "them." It's a combination of the myopia of the media, complicity of some politicians and general unwillingness of our Conventional Wisdom machine to focus on more than the issue du jour.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The beauty is that none of Sanders current opponents are doing that. The media, of course. Anyone who wasn't born last night knew that was going to happen.
Proud to be a democrat as all of our candidates are traveling the country chewing gum and walking. Truly a beautiful thing. Sanders is talking ISIS just as much as each of his competitors.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I wasn't singling out any particular Democrats, but if you look at the overall tenor of the national dialogue it is sweeping other issues under the rug.
Hopefully that will be temporary, but we can't go back to the post 9-11 mindset where Bush and Co were merrily looting the country with one hand, while scaring the shit out of everyone with the other.
think
(11,641 posts)He's not speaking about his Democratic competition. He's talking about the main stream media which seems to think it's the only thing worth talking about.
Everyone in the media and most of the GOP wants a NEW plan which basically means increased airstrikes, sending our men & women into combat, and increasing cyber security at the expense of constitutional rights.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)It's not that other candidates aren't discussing other issues, it's the media that suddenly thinks there is only one issue.
Turn on CNN (or any of the other "news" networks) for a couple of hours and tell me how much time is spent on ISIS vs., oh I don't know, the climate talks in Paris or wealth inequality.
ISIS is all that matters apparently.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)They (as if anyone should have to explain this) consist of the punditry, national mouthpieces covering newspapers, local and national television and radio bobbleheads trying to control the dialogue with terror/terror/ISIS. It consists of the separating the emphasized issues trumped up to the ongoing dialogue on the related issues we should not forget. It's continuing the same dialogue as before, knowing full well that leading us out of the times where these knee jerk 24 hour news cycle are sustained, however, it does not mean that the national reaction is to turn Xenophobic on demand to that topic, while straying off the others THAT ARE ALLR RELATED. It means not being a goddamned fool and sticking your goddamned foot in your mouth, which is what the other candidates do.
It means he understands the difference between being reactive to those trying ton control the issues, and staying on track. It's what good leaders do.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)We can walk and chew gum.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)And not the ones where he feels weak.
He's what they call a politician.