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Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:18 PM Dec 2015

Sanders: I Will Not Buy Into ‘Their’ Plan To Ignore America’s Problems To Talk About ISIS

Sanders: I Will Not Buy Into ‘Their’ Plan To Ignore America’s Problems To Talk About ISIS

KEENE, New Hampshire — Bernie Sanders vowed once again not to change his campaign focus Saturday after a week that saw the political conversation shift to ISIS after the mass shooting in San Bernardino, weeks after the attack in Paris.

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“As a nation and as a people, we have got to understand that our country faces a myriad of very serious problems… if you turn on the TV, what they now say is, ‘Well we’ve got one problem, it’s ISIS,” Sanders said, launching into a sarcastic impression of the “they” on television this week.

“‘We don’t have to worry about old people not having enough to eat. We don’t have to worry about having more people in jail than any other country. We don’t have to worry about the disappearing middle class. We don’t have to worry about economic and wealth inequality…we don’t have to worry about institutional racism, or a broken criminal justice. We don’t have to worry about that. All we should focus on now, 24/7, is ISIS,’” Sanders said.

“Here’s what I say,” he went on, “I say that ISIS must be destroyed and I say that we have got to build a coalition which destroys ISIS. But I say that we are a great enough country and a smart enough country that we can destroy ISIS at the same time as rebuild a disappearing middle class. We can do both.”


http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sanders-i-will-not-buy-into-their-plan-to-ignore-americas-pr#.sfEokR7j6J
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Sanders: I Will Not Buy Into ‘Their’ Plan To Ignore America’s Problems To Talk About ISIS (Original Post) Live and Learn Dec 2015 OP
Wisdom from Bernie Autumn Dec 2015 #1
This Citizen Understands That Authoritarians Always Rely On External Threats To Distract cantbeserious Dec 2015 #2
I agree. I know you've seen the below link, just putting it out there again. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #25
Completely agree! tex-wyo-dem Dec 2015 #62
No shit, captain obvious. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3
LOL When did he do that? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #5
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #7
what kinda heads do hollow declarations come from? stupidicus Dec 2015 #10
A post worthy of Generation Z. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #16
They would like to have terrorism and gun control crowd out other issues of social justice & equity Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #4
K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #6
Just say no to the right wing "Shock Doctrine". jalan48 Dec 2015 #8
Bernie is the only adult running for president Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #9
+1, unfortunately I am afraid most voters are children harun Dec 2015 #36
that's our "liberal" media alrighty stupidicus Dec 2015 #11
We CAN DO BOTH. retrowire Dec 2015 #12
Well some of us think that reality shows that we are not number one in many areas. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #26
My version of American Exceptionalism retrowire Dec 2015 #28
I don't disagree with what you said. It just strikes me wrong when people say how great we rhett o rick Dec 2015 #33
Agreed. retrowire Dec 2015 #34
, Autumn Dec 2015 #72
K&R for truth Populist_Prole Dec 2015 #13
Sorry Ned artislife Dec 2015 #14
Seems someone is trying to prove his point. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #15
Nod in agreement. nt artislife Dec 2015 #17
And yet, posts like this are free to stand: Live and Learn Dec 2015 #18
Nice bald guy....nice....nt artislife Dec 2015 #20
Once again he shows his total lack of grasp of foreign policy. George II Dec 2015 #19
Not at all but your post shows a total lack of grasp of the importance of dealing with Live and Learn Dec 2015 #21
How many pols have the gumption to speak the truth like that? nt valerief Dec 2015 #22
Just one. Feel the Bern!!! ;) nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #24
Sanders '16. 99Forever Dec 2015 #23
The media is out of control. azmom Dec 2015 #27
One-issue candidate says what? Metric System Dec 2015 #29
Bernie says: Live and Learn Dec 2015 #30
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is grahamhgreen Dec 2015 #31
Some people, at least. Sadly, it appears to be most. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #32
Works every time, all the time unfortunately... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2015 #63
Global warming, and everything else. No talk about how we pay for this 'important' new war either. grahamhgreen Dec 2015 #69
Love this guy harun Dec 2015 #35
Translated MaggieD Dec 2015 #37
Really??? Please tell me what Hillary's great foreign policy accomplishments are? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #40
The Iran deal, speaking up for women and LGBT around the world, MaggieD Dec 2015 #44
She is responsible for nothing on that list except helping to create the disaster with her IWR vote Live and Learn Dec 2015 #46
Sorry, you're just factually wrong MaggieD Dec 2015 #48
She's accomplished all right. Just, not in any areas that make me want her as a President. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #50
Again you're just factually wrong MaggieD Dec 2015 #53
Oh I see, you took your facts from other pundits questionable talking points. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #54
No, I looked for an article MaggieD Dec 2015 #55
She doesn't which is why you have to try to search for some. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #57
Well you keep believing that MaggieD Dec 2015 #58
Opinions are not facts. ESKD Dec 2015 #60
But facts are facts MaggieD Dec 2015 #67
Nope, those were opinions. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #70
Hillary is very accomplished in helping to create... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2015 #66
It's a good thing FDR focused on just domestic and ignored that war thing Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #38
Bull, where does it say he is ignoring ISIS. In fact, Bernie is not only not ignoring ISIS but Live and Learn Dec 2015 #43
They probably missed that whole last quoted paragraph. Somehow. historylovr Dec 2015 #65
He talks ISIS all of the time. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #39
??? 'He talks ISIS all of the time' or 'Not one of our three candidates is only focusing on ISIS' ? Live and Learn Dec 2015 #41
I am going to believe you can do better than that. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #42
'All of the time' means 'often' in your posts. I will try to remember that. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #45
Did you know that the GOP is currently trying to.... Armstead Dec 2015 #47
"politicians who are shrieking about nothing but terror,terror,terror. " NCTraveler Dec 2015 #49
You missed my point... Bernie is referring to it systemically. Armstead Dec 2015 #51
Straight from the article:"if you turn on the TV, what they now say is, ‘Well we’ve got one problem" think Dec 2015 #59
You're missing his point... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2015 #68
You are wrong about what the entire dialogue is about... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #71
The answer is not voting NO on ISIS Resolution. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #52
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #56
Bingo. blackspade Dec 2015 #61
Bernie wants to talk about the issues where he feels strong 72DejaVu Dec 2015 #64
Bernie talks about the issues that matter to the American people, Autumn Dec 2015 #73

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
2. This Citizen Understands That Authoritarians Always Rely On External Threats To Distract
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:20 PM
Dec 2015

And manipulate the populace.

This Citizen applauds Senator Sanders for same.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
62. Completely agree!
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:59 AM
Dec 2015

One of the oldest tricks in the book => we are being attacked!! You and your children are in danger! Nothing else matters!!! Squirrel!!!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. No shit, captain obvious.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:27 PM
Dec 2015

Of course we can do both. You were the only one making it seem like it's either one or the other.

Response to Live and Learn (Reply #5)

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. They would like to have terrorism and gun control crowd out other issues of social justice & equity
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:34 PM
Dec 2015

And it's not wholly on accident.

People living on the bottom of the pile are terrorized every day by unemployment, shitty pay, abusive cops, failing schools, corrupt politicians, substandard housing, a poisonous environment, etc etc etc.

Terrorized by the system.

Also headline is misleading because he doesn't say he won't talk about ISIS, but only that he will not let it crowd out other vital issues.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
11. that's our "liberal" media alrighty
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:17 PM
Dec 2015

they've improved somewhat over the little missing blond girls they used so much during the Bush admin, but their efforts at distraction remain the same.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
12. We CAN DO BOTH.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

Absolutely, we are the greatest nation. And if we truly believe that, then we've got to accept that we're capable of handling all of it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. Well some of us think that reality shows that we are not number one in many areas.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 03:53 PM
Dec 2015

We have 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty and only one candidate is speaking to that.

We have 16,000,000 of our children living in poverty and another 16,000,000 living in low income homes.

We have the poorest health care for our 99% (best in the world for the 1%) in modern world.

We have the widest spread between the haves and have-nots in the modern world. 20 families own wealth equal to 50% of Americans.

While millions of our children go to bed hungry we spend over 50% of our budget on war machines.

We have by far more people incarcerated that any other country. Conservative making millions via "for-profit" prisons.

We have militarized local police killing innocent black males across the country.

We invaded Iraq for profits for the 1%. And we brought back torture. We still have innocent people locked up in Gitmo.

I hate to tell you but American Exceptionalism is dead.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
28. My version of American Exceptionalism
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:23 PM
Dec 2015

is one of humility. The one that has the ability to accept these as our flaws and understand we are still great enough to overcome them. It is an exceptionalism based in reality.

It is the reason I'm voting for Bernie, because he is an American that sees our flaws and knows our strengths can overcome them.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
33. I don't disagree with what you said. It just strikes me wrong when people say how great we
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:55 PM
Dec 2015

are. We have a lot of work to become great in my opinion. And the first step is to wrest control of our government from the 1%.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
34. Agreed.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:57 PM
Dec 2015

I guess you could say I'm proud of the good our country has done, and I love it enough to admit it's faults.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
13. K&R for truth
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:32 PM
Dec 2015

I thought the same thing over the past few weeks. The economic elitists of both parties are frantically trying to keep the discourse, the "buzz" of economic populism buried deep beneath a pile of vapid MSM BS.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
21. Not at all but your post shows a total lack of grasp of the importance of dealing with
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:56 PM
Dec 2015

the power grab in the US.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
31. "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:32 PM
Dec 2015

is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

- Hermann Goring, super-nazi

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
63. Works every time, all the time unfortunately...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:13 PM
Dec 2015

Classic shock doctrine tactics.

Guess what else is getting largely ignored because of the scary ISIS threat?

Hint: it's taking place in Paris as we speak.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
37. Translated
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:13 AM
Dec 2015

"I, Bernie Sanders, don't know jack about foreign policy, so let's just ignore it right now."

Let's face it, the last thing Bernie wants is for the country to pay attention to any foreign policy issue because he is clearly out of his element on the issue. Some pols will say and do anything to get elected, regardless of how it impacts the country.

I wonder if the people in San Bernadino think it's just a distraction.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
40. Really??? Please tell me what Hillary's great foreign policy accomplishments are?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:23 AM
Dec 2015

In fact, Hillary is in partly responsible for the creation of ISIS. Is that what we want more of?

It is not Bernie that doesn't understand foreign policy but your post clearly indicates that you don't understand the relationship between economics and foreign policy.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
44. The Iran deal, speaking up for women and LGBT around the world,
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:28 AM
Dec 2015

Her role in finding and killing bin Laden, better relations around the world after the disaster that was Dubya, better relations with China resulting in a 50% increase in US exports, brokering a cease fire in the Middle East. Just a partial list.

Thanks for asking.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
46. She is responsible for nothing on that list except helping to create the disaster with her IWR vote
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:36 AM
Dec 2015

and her mocking.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
48. Sorry, you're just factually wrong
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:42 AM
Dec 2015

She is a very accomplished woman, whether you like it or not. I know it's inconvenient for Bernie supporters but that's just tough luck for you.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
50. She's accomplished all right. Just, not in any areas that make me want her as a President.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:46 AM
Dec 2015

And your facts are just that, yours.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
54. Oh I see, you took your facts from other pundits questionable talking points.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:05 AM
Dec 2015

That doesn't make them facts.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
55. No, I looked for an article
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:14 AM
Dec 2015

To back up what I know is true. I don't think Bernie supporters have been paying much attention if they try to claim she doesn't have a wide range of foreign policy accomplishments.

That's just nonsense.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
67. But facts are facts
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

And the items cited are facts. No opinion about it. She did those things.

It's silly to argue that she is not accomplished - particularly in the area of foreign policy. You're wasting time on that canard.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
66. Hillary is very accomplished in helping to create...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:24 PM
Dec 2015

Massive refugee problems.

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras to name a few. It's like she has the golden touch!

Bernie has the more sensible solutions to problems in the ME.

Blue_Adept

(6,400 posts)
38. It's a good thing FDR focused on just domestic and ignored that war thing
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:17 AM
Dec 2015

Or vice versa.

Take your pick.

All this says to me and many others is that Bernie's not ready to be a national candidate that has to deal with a wide range of issues. A lot of it is central to the income inequality and all that's related to it, but there's a whole lot more and this just reinforces that notion that he doesn't have what it takes.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
43. Bull, where does it say he is ignoring ISIS. In fact, Bernie is not only not ignoring ISIS but
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:27 AM
Dec 2015

he wants to address the issues that helped to create ISIS. That is a vast difference from Hillary's plan.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
39. He talks ISIS all of the time.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:19 AM
Dec 2015

Not one of our three candidates is only focusing on ISIS. Seems it isn't that he isn't "buying their plan," he is doing what the rest of the field is; discussing the major issues that face us today.

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-isis/

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
41. ??? 'He talks ISIS all of the time' or 'Not one of our three candidates is only focusing on ISIS' ?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:25 AM
Dec 2015

Which is it? It can't be both.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
42. I am going to believe you can do better than that.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:27 AM
Dec 2015

Truly. It is clear that by "all of the time" I simply meant often. Beyond simply to get that from what I wrote.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
45. 'All of the time' means 'often' in your posts. I will try to remember that.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:29 AM
Dec 2015

Forgive me for not being able to comprehend the incomprehensible.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Did you know that the GOP is currently trying to....
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

gut financial regulations in the negotiations over the current spending bill?

Congratulations if you do. That means you are paying attention.

But it isn't happening according to the Mainstream Media and most politicians who are shrieking about nothing but terror,terror,terror.

That's what Bernie is referring to as "them." It's a combination of the myopia of the media, complicity of some politicians and general unwillingness of our Conventional Wisdom machine to focus on more than the issue du jour.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
49. "politicians who are shrieking about nothing but terror,terror,terror. "
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:42 AM
Dec 2015

The beauty is that none of Sanders current opponents are doing that. The media, of course. Anyone who wasn't born last night knew that was going to happen.

Proud to be a democrat as all of our candidates are traveling the country chewing gum and walking. Truly a beautiful thing. Sanders is talking ISIS just as much as each of his competitors.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
51. You missed my point... Bernie is referring to it systemically.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:47 AM
Dec 2015

I wasn't singling out any particular Democrats, but if you look at the overall tenor of the national dialogue it is sweeping other issues under the rug.

Hopefully that will be temporary, but we can't go back to the post 9-11 mindset where Bush and Co were merrily looting the country with one hand, while scaring the shit out of everyone with the other.



 

think

(11,641 posts)
59. Straight from the article:"if you turn on the TV, what they now say is, ‘Well we’ve got one problem"
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:27 AM
Dec 2015

He's not speaking about his Democratic competition. He's talking about the main stream media which seems to think it's the only thing worth talking about.

Everyone in the media and most of the GOP wants a NEW plan which basically means increased airstrikes, sending our men & women into combat, and increasing cyber security at the expense of constitutional rights.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
68. You're missing his point...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:36 PM
Dec 2015

It's not that other candidates aren't discussing other issues, it's the media that suddenly thinks there is only one issue.

Turn on CNN (or any of the other "news" networks) for a couple of hours and tell me how much time is spent on ISIS vs., oh I don't know, the climate talks in Paris or wealth inequality.

ISIS is all that matters apparently.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
71. You are wrong about what the entire dialogue is about...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:17 AM
Dec 2015

They (as if anyone should have to explain this) consist of the punditry, national mouthpieces covering newspapers, local and national television and radio bobbleheads trying to control the dialogue with terror/terror/ISIS. It consists of the separating the emphasized issues trumped up to the ongoing dialogue on the related issues we should not forget. It's continuing the same dialogue as before, knowing full well that leading us out of the times where these knee jerk 24 hour news cycle are sustained, however, it does not mean that the national reaction is to turn Xenophobic on demand to that topic, while straying off the others THAT ARE ALLR RELATED. It means not being a goddamned fool and sticking your goddamned foot in your mouth, which is what the other candidates do.

It means he understands the difference between being reactive to those trying ton control the issues, and staying on track. It's what good leaders do.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
64. Bernie wants to talk about the issues where he feels strong
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:22 PM
Dec 2015

And not the ones where he feels weak.

He's what they call a politician.

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