... a new stage of grief.

..the exact same position in which Obama was at this time, in Iowa.

Yeah. I know. Obama is not Sanders. But Hillary is still Hillary.

Same dynamics playing out here.

... Hillary is only up by a touchdown in Iowa.

to any talk of football.

The Saints .

I've never seen such sorriness in my life .



We're headed for the aint's and paper bag days.

Oh. My. God. We are having a horrible year. That new stadium is CURSED !!! CURSED I TELLS YA!

mauled us.

You folks aren't having a better season, either! My goodness, it's like the world has been turned on its head and the Panthers are actually a good team!

is 18 a single digit.

In the most recent Iowa poll, it's down to 9.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/ia/ia11252015_I76ptrnw.pdf

So what universe do YOU live in?

From your link:

Let's see....denial, hostility, inability to understand basic math. That's three by my count but I may have missed a few!

... the OP is clearly confused as to what a PUMA was, that's for sure.

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...because HRC did not get the nom in 2008, and the tag somehow gets glued to HRC, who has always been about party unity.

2) A whole bunch of DU supporters of the great BS declare that party unity is something they abhor (no "loyalty oaths" for them), but somehow it's HRC who is disunifying the party.

So who, exactly, is yelling, often with the Caps Lock STUCK, a virtual version of Party Unity My Ass?

Eventually the cognitive dissonance will make their BS-supporting heads 'splode.

... which stage of grief that was.

I tend to think "real liberals" know what a PUMA was.

Or they should if they expect to be taken seriously.

Hillary will be the democratic nominee in a cakewalk.

So who are the PUMAs?

Your question is spot on and legit, as always, Cali_Democrat.

And many of these folks have spent years attacking Democratic leaders like Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Now they're going after Hillary.

attacking her, as they did Obama. It's so predictable.

a Used Car Saleswoman!

Didn't trust Hillary eight years ago and don't trust her now.

Seems to me, it was the Clinton supporters who had a problem with Obama.

I was attacked and treated like shit from many DU Obama supporters in 2008. I sure as hell didn't throw a shit fit and vote for Grampy and Dipshit. I was proud to support Obama and I love him. I knew that Hillary would jump on board and work her ass off to help get him elected.

Back in the spring of 2008, when Obama beat Hillary in 13 consecutive states in the 2008 primary, many of Hillary's supporters started making outlandish comments on the DU forum about Obama, and about his supporters.
Some of them vowed to leave DU and some of those members actually did leave DU.

But, after Obama beat Senator McCain in the General Election that fall, and after he was sworn into office in January 2009, some of those supporters of Hillary went ballistic here at DU.
Their criticism was not founded on principles or even logical.
In fact, some of it was just downright hateful garbage.

Many of them wound up being banned because of it.
Some of those people were reinstated a few years later.
And some of those people post here now.
Yet, they are saying the same garbage about Bernie that they said about Obama.

So, who has evolved? Obama, or Hillary's supporters?
Because I don't see any evidence whatsoever for their attitudes toward Bernie.

I DO remember a small group off asshole Hillary supporters going after Obama and his supporters.

BUT ... don't paint this pure and sweet picture of the Obama supporters here in 2008. I had insults thrown at me right and left for supporting Hillary and defending her.

I haven't or will I EVER say shit about Bernie, but once again have been insulted and for supporting Hillary. So don't pull that hight and mighty bullshit.

You, well, you're stating your opinion.

and I guess we are being compared to that crazy fucker.

Which is why I don't like Hillary's foreign and economic policies.

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This is one of the misconceptions that was circulated at the time about us PUMAs. It actually stands/stood for:

People united means action.

See this old DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6548378

... he's new here.

... I crack ME up!!!!

And if you guys laugh, that's an awesome bonus!

We are even more DONE with politics as usual--and Hillary represents the worst of the stuff quo.

Bernie represents the future.

The electorate has aged eight years. Most of the people who were young, who voted for Obama, are not older and they didn't want Hillary the first time around. They're in Bernie's camp, no doubt.

The very young people (18-29) see the Clintons as part of history. Most don't have one memory of a President Bill Clinton. They understand that Bernie represents change and a new direction for this country.

Hillary is the same old same old to them.

to primary President Obama in 2012 on the Thom Harmann show, the Ed Schultz show, and some Sunday program (Stephanopoulos' This Week?).

They've been angrily tweeting about it, especially African American youth, for months now.

Don't seem them at all now. I just see more and more young people of every imaginable color supporting Bernie.

thing for fourth years I am told.
But only he can be the same old same old and be new.

when he's been saying the same thing for decades - without much to show for it. Well, unless you count his vote against major gun safety bills, that is.

Goes to prove that he is incapable of being able to even initiate even one change he advocates.....He can not lead, unite or show an outcome of results. He's just a passionate speaker of good ideas.

Who they supported in the primary.

In 2008, there was a very small group of Hillary supporters that refuses to vote for Obama. They created a shitty website for the 10 or so people that were a PUMA (party unity my ass).

I can't wait for the convention so those posts go away.

You havent seen many folks claim they outright WON'T vote for Sanders should he win the Primary......but many "supposed" Democrats on DU have said that about HRC.

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I'm a neutral poli-sci continuing ed student and my only objective is a Dem in the White House.

People from both sides have posted that, quite often, and these flagrant denials are just as annoying.


Now, the next post will be for me to furnish proof, as what most who obfuscate try to demand.

I'm not chasing a time-waster request, when the answer is known by most here who are impartial.


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This is DU....and everything I said is the truth...

Verses hundreds on the other side. NOT equivalent at all. Anybody who thinks its equivalent is a damn fool.

vote for Bernie if he were the nominee.

It just doesn't happen.

nominee if the nominee is Bernie. Over and over she says it. No other Clinton supporters criticizer her for it either. To me, that's not being a Democrat. She's not the only one either. One of the worst finally got PPR'd for blatant antisemtici posts, KellieKat44. But there are many who say they will not vote for him and they don't really say why. MaggieD says the Party is lying and Bernie is not a Democrat, she's the judge and she says so. She also smears and berates other DUers in the name of your candidate all day here. None of your cohort steps up and yeah, I do look poorly on that choice.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490

You guys need a push broom and a house cleaning day, denial just makes you look dishonest. "It just doesn't happen" is an easily disproved claim.

that say they will not vote for Hillary as well? You might want to get a push broom out yourself.

I'll vote for Bernie if he's the nominee with pride. Again, I am sick of this all bullshit from the Sanders camp.

Do you write "I don't need no stinkin' documentation" on your works cited page?

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No finals, in either of the classes I take, while also working a full-time job and raising 4 kids in a single parent household.


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website they go to now, to say the horrible things they can't say here?

The one I'm talking about was Hill is 44 or something.

The assured postings of spring have slid down a mountain side.


I know this means nothing, but I was talking to my very white, very wealthy client who is in the middle of the boomer generation and she just said this to me. "The support for Sanders is far more widespread and deeper than the media is allowing." I then asked her if she had any H supporters in the groups of women she sees on a monthly basis. She has 2 groups of women who have been meeting for over 25 years. She also was deep in the Beyond War movement and sees many of the people who were involved back in the day. ---so my question is really about women of a certain age who have always been politically aware and ACTIVE. She said there were no H supporters. Not one. I will give you this, they will vote for the Dem on the ballot in November for sure, but not a one in my little area of Seattle can I find a likely H supporter actually supporting her.

I have yet to see any support except from Patty and Maria. Even at the Whole Foods parking lot...I did a check as I circled around and around looking for a place to park on my shopping trip for said client.

On Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

It IS the 2007 primary all over again! The Clintonista PUMAs are back right on schedule!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878958

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:04 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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The only people I've seen flat out say they won't vote for the nominee are Sanders supporters if Clinton wins the primary.



Edited to add: I see a thread from a Hillary supporter saying they won't support Bernie, but at least two more of the opposite.

hyper dramatic bashing tone of some of the 'I'll never vote for Bernie' types. I am sick of reading this false assertion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490

I've stated on here a few times I'm undecided. BTW, read further down in your link and you'll see my post to the OP.

BTW, I saw that thread after this one and I subsequently edited my post. In my opinion, I've read more Bernie supporters saying they'll never vote for Hillary than vice versa. I also believe it's a small subset of supporters on each side that would think that way.

Also seen a number of Bernie supporters say they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

And?

Nothing you said contradicts what I posted. What was the point of your reply?

So what?

Her support never dropped much though she stayed right around 38%. Obama picked up more support as other candidates fell.

Not an option for Bernie, he needs to actually win over Hillary supporters. Much harder.

Hillary will be the Democratic Nominee.. PUMA reference is only a bitter tone used by loosers. Secondly, Hillary has been a Democrat far, far far, far longer than Bernie Sanders 6 month tenure.

Ballot....whenhe said "I am a Democrat now".

I was going easy on him...

The acronym "PUMA" was created by Clinton supporters.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/07/hillaryclinton.barackobama

Hoo boy, I wish I could see your face

That skill is a Fox News Network specialty. I don't have any desire to play such games. Hillary has the Democratic Nomination... That is reality.
I am not going to trash Sanders..I just know he is not our candidate.... I won't waste my time playing these banter games.

you just spat in the wind and it blew back in your face, that's all.

It's a fact.

just get over yourself and join into healthy, Democratic discussion.

You mean that "healthy, Democratic discussion"?

I'm glad you agree.

Just asking.

But the REAL issue is "How long has she been a liberal?" The answer to that one is: NEVER HAS BEEN ONE. OTOH, Bernie has ALWAYS been a liberal. There is the difference. IMO: Hillary = DINO whereas Bernie is and has always been a liberal.

That Goldwater Girl meme is one of the stupidest on record. HRC has been a Democrat about 50 years. BS has been a Democrat about 2 minutes.

Democrats come in a variety of flavors, but as a liberal she does just fine.

Good gravy, how many other of your populist liberal heroes have remained non-Democrats far into their adulthood, while you all obsess over a very young Hillary Rodham?

It is a truly, deeply stupid meme.

Don't try to change the subject to Warren because you didn't like my reply. And Warren is not one of my saints.

Telling the truth after you falsely claim Hillary was a Democrat by the time she got to college is not obsessing, either, so you can put that straw man away as well.

OOOh, using Caps Lock is fun.

But, then Nixon resigned 4 months after I graduated!!!!!!!

It's interesting that I didn't have to go to college in order to know which party represented me and my family for the previous 100 years!!
But, good Ol' Hillary had to get educated somewhere's else before she decided being a Democrat was the right thing to do!!!

Rockefeller is a fairy tale. In any event, no one can prove it or disprove it. Typical.

She didn't meet Bill until Yale.

Let's go there ok? How do you feel about Elizabeth Warren being a REPUBLICAN until 1996? Senator Warren seems to be a big favorite with the Sanders camp, right?

From your logic, I should be "suspect" because I supported Nixon in 1972 when I was in the 6th grade. Right?

Oh and by the way in 1972 Hillary Rodham worked for McGovern in TEXAS!!!

Give me a fucking break.

and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Hillary Clinton who in 2008 took to the floor of the Democratic National Convention and cast the New York delegates for Senator Obama, pushing him over the top for the nomination? And did she or did she not then ask that the convention name him the candidate by acclamation?

And didn't President Bill Clinton deliver the keynote address during the 2012 convention, an address that many hailed as a significant boost to President Obama's re-election?

I plan to vote for Senator Sanders in the primary and I hope he takes the nomination, but if not I expect him to be as gracious in defeat as Senator Clinton was in 2008. And I hope followers of both candidates will unite after the primary is over to ensure we all don't have to endure the cataclysm of another crackpot GOP administration.

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Looks to me they're all pre-convention.

So Hillary didn't personally take to the floor of the 2008 convention to boost Obama? I seem to recall she did. Bill didn't speak in support of President Obama at the 2012 convention? I seem to recall that HE did. I also recall President Clinton at the 2008 convention praising then Senator Obama's pick of Biden as VP.

If Bernie loses the nomination I expect there will be some fireworks before the convention, especially if it's a close race. Same goes with Hillary. But it's during and after the convention that counts. That's when people in general start paying attention to the race.