read more than one article that indicates there is more than meets the eye there...hopefully.

Go Bernie !

Sanders supporters think that the reason his support is so low among African Americans and Latinos is because of low media coverage.

So for some reason only minority voters are affected by the lack of media coverage -- but not smart white people. Right? That seems to be the conclusion.

But, putting that aside, everyone is at least agreed on the low media coverage. Why do you think that once the Rethugs go after him, and the media starts repeating the claims 24/7, Bernie will be unscathed?

That's not how it works. If he goes into the general election, the Rethugs will go after him and the media will be digging in. And they will find stuff to throw at him -- fair or not.

With Hillary we at least know what they will throw at her, because they've been doing it ever since they started making claims about her job at the Rose Hill law firm when Bill was campaigning for the Presidency.

Rose Hill? Meet Burlington College, where President Jane Sanders faced an angry faculty and tried to justify not having a faculty grievance procedure (for terminated employees) with the excuse that Burlington was a college, not a university. How do you think Bernie's union supporters would feel about that?

Again: Bernie's wife -- who supposedly is his chief advisor -- didn't think the faculty at her college needed a grievance procedure. What kind of autocrat was she? And she's his advisor?

She also applied for multimillion dollar loans for the college on the basis of false information. Among other things, she falsely listed a promised million dollar BEQUEST -- something to go to the college upon the person's future death -- as a current PLEDGE to be paid out immediately at a rate of $150K a year.

And when her own contract was terminated, the financially ailing college gave her a $200,000 "golden parachute." And since they are married, Bernie benefited from this as well.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of the kind of publicity that will be thrown at Bernie if he becomes the nominee. He's not going to be immune from nasty publicity and it WILL affect his popularity ratings.

Why that's about half of what Bill or Hillary get for a single speech, who do these Sanders people think they are?

I suppose you Hillary supporters don't consider being able to charge those kinds of fees for a single speech are "golden parachutes" do you.

On edit: I seem to remember Hillary supporters saying we should not mention negatives about our Democratic candidates. Must have just been referring to Hillary I assume?

He's not.

Not a one time severence check

And to most people, $200K is a lot of money.

Especially someone who has been terminated because they submitted false statements when they were applying for millions of dollars in loans.

DEFINITION of 'Golden Parachute' Substantial benefits given to a top executive (or top executives) in the event that the company is taken over by another firm and the executive is terminated as a result of the merger or takeover.

when they have no clue what they are talking about. Golden parachute (as in jumping out of that plane...no return)has always referred to a one time windfall...somtimes final separation bonuses, often severance payments.

DEFINITION of 'Golden Parachute' Substantial benefits given to a top executive (or top executives) in the event that the company is taken over by another firm and the executive is terminated as a result of the merger or takeover.

You would have done well to look that up before speaking. On the other hand it gave me a chuckle so not all is lost.

...but going after his wife and her career benefits is LOW CLASS.

Do you realize YOU are doing exactly what you say Republicans will do?
Doesn't that realization cause you some cognitive dissonance or personal identity problems?

But the situation with Burlington College could well involve Bernie, if Jane getting a position she didn't have the background for (a college Presidency despite her online PhD from a discredited program and thin resume in college education) had something to do with her connection with Bernie.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/jane-says-sanders-secret-weapon-or-a-political-liability/Content?oid=2670992

Burlington activist Robin Lloyd, who served on the board, says she supported O'Meara Sanders' hiring, in part, because, "We felt that her connection with Bernie would be helpful, certainly in terms of fundraising." But when the college had to come up with the cash to make its payments, O'Meara Sanders didn't pull through, she says.

"She was very confident and gave good presentations to the board, but, frankly, she didn't raise money," Lloyd says.

"Two for the Price of One".
Remember?
That Makes Hillary's time in the White House as "co-president" Fair Game.
(If you doubt me, try Google for thousands of references to the "Clinton Co-Presidency" & Campaign.)

When did Bernie's wife run as a co-representative, or as Co-Senator?
I don't recall that.
Please post some links to Bernie's wife claiming to be his "Co-Senator", or even his political adviser.

Do you have the mental ability to see that these are two different situations?
Going after someone's wife who has lived in private is Dirty Pool, but to the Clintons and their supporters, it looks normal.
It isn't.

as college President despite her discredited online PhD and only one and a half years of college job experience, then he would be involved.

If you want to go after the college, have at it. They deserve it,
not Bernie. Bernie did nothing wrong or even questionable.

Try again, but use a different smear this time. The one you used doesn't work.

But it will come up if he's the nominee.

Whether it's Hillary, Bernie, or Martin, the Rethugs will be throwing out whatever they can and the media will be reporting on it.

Bernie will not be immune.

that may or may not happen, and you want to use THIS speculation as some kind of argument on DU?? LOL.

Show a Quid Pro Quo, or move to the shallow end of the pool with your floaties where you won't drown.

But that's for the same reason he has low support among the African American and Latino communities: relatively low media coverage.

If you are going to argue negatives....
then how in gawds green Earth can you support Hillary.
She is the Belt Holding Champion of negatives.

....college offering her that golden parachute. She drove Burlington College to the brink of bankruptcy through questionable deals and false statements to the lending banks (YES, the BANKS!) that she wanted to finance her questionable deals.

That seems a little odd. Bernie is Bernie. His policies aren't changing. It doesn't matter what she or anyone else advises him. Bernie's beliefs are from the heart and they aren't about to change.

Just like Bill is Hillary's. But I meant that no matter who says what, it is quite hard to change Bernie's mind.

HER job at Rose Hill. HER investment in Whitewater. HER supposed involvement in Vince Foster's death.

But you think they'd just ignore Jane's past? Dream on.

two for one when Bill was running? Must have been some other Hillary they were talking about?

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she'll be of value as a FLOTUS, then they'll play nice and leave her alone.

Forget that. She's been at least as involved with Bernie's career as Hillary -- Jane ran his campaign office.

And she'll get the same kind of scrutiny. You really think the Rethugs will hold their fire if Jane doesn't annoy them by saying something like the Clintons did about 2 for 1?

Hah!

It's interesting that in this article they mention Jane's 18 month stint as provost at her alma mater, Goddard. And yet they entirely skip over her 7 tumultuous years as President at Burlington College. The job she got with an online degree from Union Institute in Ohio, shortly before the state of Ohio made Union shut down that degree program. And with her experience, other than the stint at Goddard, being in youth services and campaign work. How did she get the job anyway? Did Bernie's connections have anything to do with it? (She was asked to leave the job after the college ran into financial trouble when she obtained several millions in loans based in part on pledges that didn't exist. For example, she reported a million dollar future bequest (to happen after someone's future death) as an immediate pledge with a payout of $150K a year.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders/

"I think every wife, or every husband, is the most important adviser of their spouse so I enjoy it very much, he doesn't always listen to me as you may know," Jane Sanders said with a laugh during an interview in Boulder, Colorado. "I'm not a policy adviser. I just give him a lot of advice and he decides what to take and what not to."

Jane's role, however, is unique.

With some exceptions, most candidate's spouses play behind-the-scenes roles, helping calm the candidate during what can be a grueling process, and not stepping into the forefront until later in the campaign. Jane Sanders, however, is more hands on. She and her husband share an office at their campaign headquarters in Vermont, she travels on nearly every campaign trip and is in on nearly all senior staff meetings.

"Sanders supporters think that the reason his support is so low among African Americans and Latinos is because of low media coverage." I am a Sanders supporter, and I think the reason is Sanders has not pent years building friendships and associations with key black and Latino Democrats.

I like the stuff about Sanders' spouse. I seem to recall Clinton has a spouse, too, and he was mentioned in connection with some employer-employee relations problems. But I'm sure that's no biggie because the Republicans already brought it up once, and no fair mentioning it now.

candidate.

well liked once they do?

Of any politician his past has to be the cleanest.

You don't think they'll resurrect his rape essay if he's the nominee?

Or his wife's tumultuous Presidency at Burlington college? Which resulted in them asking her to leave because of the financial problems she had caused there?

How did she get that job, anyway, with an online PHD degree from a (literally) discredited program at Union Institute, and only a year and a half experience as an interim provost at her alma mater? (Before then she worked in youth services and did campaign work for Bernie.) Did the Senator Sanders connection have anything to do with her getting a job she appears to have been unqualified for?

Reporters WILL be digging, if he is the nominee.

That was early in the campaign. He spoke about it with Katy Couric about a year ago early on in the campaign. He explained that it was a poorly written college essay on the roles of women in our society. He was trying to make a point about woman being treated as second class citizens and being submissive. It was quite the bold statement for the time period. It will be easy for him to get past the essay "scandal". On the issue of his wife presidency at Burlington College. Yes her time at that college was rough but I don't think that will affect voters. Its not going to affect him or his policies. People who support him are not going to change their minds because of how badly his wife did while she was president of a college. I'm totally not denying that the media will bring it up but it really isn't that relevant its just going to be the same old media digging that people are so use to.

job, despite her weak credentials, because of her political connections?

Why are people so confident that the same media attacks that have been plaguing the Clintons and the Obamas won't be directed at Bernie?

Or your petty little complaints about him.

in order to win the general.

And the general election voters WILL be influenced by the attacks that are guaranteed to come from the other side. Anyone who thinks Bernie will be spared the sorts of attacks the Clintons and the Obamas have faced is delusional.

You guys scare too easily.

It's silly to think that Bernie will be treated better than they've treated the Obamas or the Clintons.

Seriously, we don't care about their impotent little attacks. Let them flail away!

are failing to account for the fact that he hasn't been subjected to the inevitable scrutiny and attacks that would come during a general election campaign.

We know what Hillary's negatives will be . The media and Rethugs have barely gotten started with Bernie's.

Basically hot air

So you switch gears and attack me personally? Lovely.

I'm flying to Rishikesh tonight. Have a wonderful day!

lol

do you think most voters would be fine with that?

She had a PhD from a on online school whose PhD program was shut down by the State of Ohio shortly after she got it. And she had a year and a half experience as a college provost, and years of campaign work and work in youth services.

So how did she get the job as Burlington College President? A job that had been paying her $130,000 a year when she left.

At least one Trustee said the Board was influenced by her connection with Bernie.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/jane-says-sanders-secret-weapon-or-a-political-liability/Content?oid=2670992

Burlington activist Robin Lloyd, who served on the board, says she supported O'Meara Sanders' hiring, in part, because, "We felt that her connection with Bernie would be helpful, certainly in terms of fundraising." But when the college had to come up with the cash to make its payments, O'Meara Sanders didn't pull through, she says.

"She was very confident and gave good presentations to the board, but, frankly, she didn't raise money," Lloyd says.

You are the one doing the digging

Hillary's job at Rose Hill law firm was an issue, and so was her money-losing investment at Whitewater.

No one ever accused her of influence-trading -- just of possibly killing Vince foster.

The same Rethugs will HATE Jane who hated Hillary Clinton, when her husband was running. Count on it.

and is too unpopular to win in the general election are deluding themselves.

Bernie, if our nominee, will be facing the same kind of media scrutiny and Rethug attacks, and he won't look as "electable" after the Rethugs get through tearing him apart.

We know what they'll try to throw at Hillary and Bill. But they've barely gotten started with Bernie and Jane. Media coverage is a two-edged sword. Bernie's supporters want more coverage but only as long as it's positive, fair coverage. But that won't happen if he's the nominee.

"Republicans say mean stuff" is a non position.

to do just about anything.

we'll see what they've dug up, besides the bits already out there.

had it.

That doesn't mean neither of them could.

What is shocking is Rubio losing by only 1 point.

If Bernie is so electable, why is he trailing Hillary by 30 points in the polls?

Every poll of actual humans on the planet has him slaughtering her 7 or 8 fold.

if they do one about that and ask "actual humans", Bernie might win the poll. The latest polls of actual human Democrats have Hillary way ahead of Bernie.

Try putting this fact in a comment to a NYT article and watch it never get published.

....discussed already. It's completely hypothetical.

The basic outcome of that discussion was that no one is "electable" in the general election if they're no on the ballot.

seeming like he has a chance.

The GOP wants him to be the Democratic nominee. I've heard various Republican pundits say so in private.

They know they can not only beat him, they know they can beat him badly.

as if they are his current positions?

Great!

You now say about Sanders. At least you are consistent.

Maybe it is the FOX News distortion that is getting yours all fuzzy.

Keep fighting the good fight.

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It seems increasingly likely that the GOP will do whatever it takes to make Rubio the nominee. That the American public is so stupendously thick that they think he's a reasonable pick to hold the highest office in the land is simply amazing, and sadly, par for the course.

it's going to be all hummingbirds and butterflies.

No one would ever dare to throw dirt at Bernie! Hillary and Barack deserved all the dirt they got thrown at them, but not Bernie!

Who cares what FOX news says?

coverage and the Rethugs start going after him the way they've gone after the Obamas and the Clintons.

"Republicans will say mean things and throw poop"
Um, its all they ever do. Poop slinging can't stop the truth.

Mention Hillary Clinton while interacting with people in your daily life that you don't know - see what reaction you get. Mention Bernie Sanders, see what reaction you get.

Hillary supporters are aware of this. They just like to ignore it.

Our best chance to sweep the field in the GE is by nominating Mr. Sanders.

Another Bernie supporter cannot post without using CAPITAL LETTERS to make their point seem more important.

....wouldn't cut it in middle school.

"Electability" is the reason we're supposed to overlook all her heinous past behavior!

So now you are trying to sell the idea that it's not important?

Tell us, again, why anyone should listen to anything any of you say?