2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCompromise
All my issues come down to that one word.
Supporters of a certain candidate almost always make that the key factor in their support.
"She can get things done"
"She lives in the real world"
"You have to compromise to get things done"
Compromise with who??? Teapublicans??
That is the people you are willing to work with?
The tRump loving, racist, misogynistic, Planned Parenthood hating, union busting, gun humping, social security cutting, food stamp cutting, first responders benefit cutting, VA budget cutting, climate change denying, Wall street whores???
Hate to break it to you but its no longer a "compromise" when you have to keep sliding the bar so far to the right to get it to pass that it isn't even a shadow of Democratic values anymore.
FUCK. THEM.
Either our ideals as Democrats matter or they don't.
As Democrats we have taken on the mantle of the poor, the middle class and the disenfranchised. People have lost faith in us because we have lost faith in ourselves. People have to believe we mean it. They have to believe we won't compromise our ideals and sell them out for a mark in 'win' column.
"Compromise" hasn't fixed any of our problems yet. I don't see any "compromise" with this Congress, with these teapublicans, fixing any of our country's problems.
As I have said before, I'd rather stand on my feet for what matters than beg for crumbs on my knees.
randys1
(16,286 posts)makes it to the WH.
Neither of our candidates will compromise with teaparty on anything important because teaparty isnt capable of doing that.
Bottom line, make sure the rightwingers dont take the WH, NO MATTER WHAT
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and there's no substitute for that! Mmmmm... delicious pride. So filling. So satisfying.
angrychair
(8,739 posts)You are playing a game by a different set of rules than they are.
Teapublicans are willing to shutdown the government to make a point.
All to often we allow our legislation to be sliced and diced and have shitty riders to be added on that have nothing to do with the actual bill just to get it passed, to say we 'won'.
People want more of a backbone from Democrats. Not saying we should shut down the government but we should not be so willing to move to the right on every damn issue. Again, either what we believe matters or it doesn't.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(That is your problem.)
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)For example, that was the favorite catch phrase of the 'you gay people should settle for civil unions' segment of this Party 'half a loaf' they would say, having been born with a full loaf themselves. And of course they were wrong, whole loaf was in fact on the shelf and available.
The need to compromise is very different than the urgent desire to capitulate.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... not by the president, Senate or congress.
None of this matters because Bernie won't win anyway. I was merely pointing out that pride and stubbornness won't get you anywhere. Bickering on a chat forum won't change what's happening in the real world.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I don't expect any D or I to attract Tea Party votes, that's just odd.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Which is why endorsements matter. Hillary has an army of surrogates in congress/senate immediately willing to back her agenda. A unified party gets shit done. Bernie will be infighting with his own party, not to mention Republicans, which will lead to stagnation/gridlock.
angrychair
(8,739 posts)Means no gridlock??? All those endorsements will prevent gridlock and get her agenda through? That is some serious hubris.
I consider PBO one of the greatest presidents in U.S. history and on his last day in office he will have spent 8 years in crushing gridlock due to teapublicans and DINOs.
I have never said nor would I ever say, that Sanders will make all his policy positions happen.
What I have always said is that he will fight for what matters harder and compromise less than others who start from a position of compromise ( $12 an hour and not $15 and lackluster higher education plan being the best examples of another candidate starting from a position of compromise).
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DESPITE Republicans. Fact check it.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)how it is?
Sure we are headed for an oligarchy if we don't make changes but everybody who is not a Bernie supporter isn't out to get you.
angrychair
(8,739 posts)According to a Social Security Administration report, released the same day as the now famous HRC Bengazi committee hearing, stated that as of 2014, that 51% of all income earners in America earn less than $30,000 a year. Worse, that 53% of the value of all wages earned in America are earned by .08% of income earners (point zero eight percent)
Let that sink in:
Less than one percent of working Americans gobble up 53% of the total value of all wages earned in America.
That means that 47.2% of the total value of wages earned in America is left to be divided between the remaining 99.02% of the working population.
This is wage earners.
We haven't even got to the stock market shitstains.
I'm not worried about people being "out to get me" I don't have anything they want.
Me and people like me are fighting to matter anymore at all.
That is why we support Bernie Sanders.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)That several posters on this discussion board are actually right wingers who are actively working to create a one party right wing government.