2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf our candidates mainly talk about "terrorism", the 1% win, the 99% lose-and Trump gets sworn in.
In this country, you are much more likely to be killed by the police (especially if you are a POC) or by poverty caused by unemployment, homelessness or the effects of redlining and outsourcing than you ever are to face any threat from ISIS.
Letting the conversation be about things like ISIS will destroy any chance we have of stopping a full right-wing takeover.
We cannot let ourselves fall into that trap, no matter who we nominate.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Going isolationist has helped us so much historically.
Thank you, but I'll stick with the candidate that is good for the US and for the planet.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)It's not even close.
what's Bernie's stance on environmental justice for poorer countries?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It will be easier for Bernie to do that than for HRC, since he won't feel obligated to protect corporate profits at any cost.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And nothing progressive can happen if we start getting as irrational about ISIS as we used to be about the USSR.
BTW, not wanting more war does not equate to not caring about the rest of the planet. We need to develop ways of caring about the planet that aren't expressed through killing people(yes, some people are loathesome and may even deserve to die, but war never lets it go at killing the people who "have it coming" .
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)and burying you head in the sand and not even discussing international issues when running for POTUS, especially when so much internationally is going on does not make presidential material.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You do realize that if he had talked about it, the press wouldn't have allowed any of that moment to be about poverty and racism, right?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Our candidates are all out there discussing a wide variety of issues the American people care about.
jalan48
(13,883 posts)The Commies were about to take over for years so we needed huge defense budgets to combat them. Then, the fall of the Berlin Wall and hooray!, we can cut back on all this defense spending-a peace dividend it was called. But wait, I can't believe it, just when we thought things were good it's TERRORISM! Damn, and we were so looking forward to fixing our roads and dealing with the blight of our inner cities with that extra money. I guess we will just have to suck it up and fight and fund this new war that has no end in sight. And what really pisses us off is that we had nothing to do with making these people angry. All we were trying to do was help them out.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)the only issues that are worth talking about are the issues that Bernie talks about!
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Fear is a propaganda tool. You are not in any real risk of being injured or killed by terrorists, but tens of millions of Americans are badly suffering economically and have been for a very long time. You tell me which of those is more worth talking about.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But you know what? Neither Clinton or Sanders had an easy or sure fire "fix" for terrorism.If there were such a thing, Omaba would have exercised it already.
There are differences. Sanders would be less likely to pursue a neo-con agenda of the kind that lit the match to Iraq in the first place.
But otherwise, both will appoint experts and rely on the system to figure it out as we go along.
The point is not to allow a repeat of the post 9-11 syndrome, where Bushco and the elites looted the country while distracting us with fear and war.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Response to Ken Burch (Original post)
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brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Clinton just released asa about income and prescription drugs.
That said, ignoring the issue completely is a good way to scare off boters.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But somehow focusing on that subject at that event was a "problem" and "avoiding" the issue.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)about ISIS. Now you're making him out to be a victim of his own campaign...? LOLLOL "got accused of avoiding the issue of ISIS."
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Since the election of Ronald Reagan the country has been trending right. The so-called Reagan Democrats. Occasionally, the country has moved to the middle and elected more moderate Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama, but this has primarily been due to some significant event. For example, Clinton beat the first Bush primarily on Bush's reneging on his tax pledge of "no new taxes". when he raised them, Republicans were horrified. They can forgive just about anything except income tax raises, and Hilary Clinton's presence. Gore lost because of a Supreme Court decision, and the fact that Nader ran and took a chunk of Democratic votes, and that people liked GW's folksy ways, and frankly, I believe the election was rigged. Regardless, the country moved right with GW and blindly accepted the misguided Iraq War. The economy eventually crumbled, and the youth and African Americans turned out in record numbers to vote for Obama. However, we find out that Obama is also more of a moderate or pragmatist than a progressive.
So where are we now. We've elected two moderate Presidents since Reagan, and two Republicans. There have been no progressives, and now we've seen extremism running on the right and a rejection of any attempt at moderatism this time. In the Democratic race, we've perhaps two progressives in Sanders and O'Malley and a moderate or pragmatist in Clinton. The leaders in the primaries are so extreme on the right (Trump and Cruz) that it is actually frightening, and on the left we've a candidate who is supported by the DLC and Third Way whose positions keep evolving, and whose major contributors are Wall Street.
But on the Republican side, Trump wanted to ban Muslims coming from abroad form entering the country. I have actually talked with many who now subscribe to this inane and unconstitutional diatribe. It's an exploitation of fear to punish the whole group for a small group's actions. And it's working for Trump. His numbers rose dramatically after this.
My fear is we are heading towards an inevitable major conflict with this type invective. If Herman Goerring contributed anything to this world it is how the power elite thinks when it has become corrupted.
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Herman Goerring
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)facism grows out of where America is right now = ignorant and scared .
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)so don't talk about it.
Only things that enhance Bernie's image are important national topics.
Got it.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)I figured