and been accused of all sorts of things. I don't understand it.

And Martin's supporters made me want to take a closer look.

Bernie's have been having the opposite effect.

support Bernie .

Not Bernie supporters.

there will be no critiques. Hows that working now..............for you.

You may have been blocked from a protected group. That happens. If a post was hidden it was by a jury, randomly selected.

started ' Citizens United ' the plague, syphilis and on and on .

I doubt that

people speak their mind. If bernie is responsible for the comments of total strangers on a forum so is Clinton. Actually, everyone is responsible for themselves. No one is harming anything by their comments but the feelings of a small percentage of people on this board.

Be honest .

You can vote for whomever the hell you want.

Doesn't mean those who don't share your enthusiasm are going to shut up.

I'm not pushing anyone to vote for anyone, and I'm not denigrating Bernie.

Everyday people are connecting the Dots .

and words seem to be put into your mouth.

have been so many, when did Bernie switch 1 ???????

Not the same as always. If you really what anything to change then we can't keep electing people who do not listen to us. Bernie is asking , demanding we help him govern . Can't keep sitting on our hands and expect one person to save us.

that are unnecessary.

Was starting to go into withdrawal. Thanks for the fix, pnwmom.

BTW, when did you stop browbeating your wife?

Oh, the drama!

required some minor adjustment to make room for a couple of new trial balloons. Things should be back to normal within a few days.

Sort of in that compared to Bernie she is very much, compared to the Koch Bros and teaparty, not as bad.

Personally I think the very idea that David Koch can buy Waikiki Beach and keep the rest of humanity off of it until the END OF TIME

is insane. (therefore allowing any human being to own any land is insane)


So I would probably think a mom and pop corner grocery store was corporatist to some extent ...so I am not a fair judge on that compared to how most of you think.

As to your point here, the ONLY thing bashing Hillary does is harm the democratic party.

The only thing bashing Bernie accomplishes, is risking his supporters not supporting Hillary if she is the nominee, so both are bad.

and the " Exceptional people " who will do and say anything to win, profit, or escape culpability for anything . And if you don't get the meaning of " If discouraging was your goal ,,sorry " You don't want to , sorry .

get your income equality?

No thanks, you go ahead and do what is important to you, I will do what is important to me.

What is important to me is others, as a white/str8t/American male, I have privilege coming out of my ears and while income inequality is a huge problem, racial and gender/Gay inequality comes first.

bashing Bernie only risks getting his supporters to vote for Hillary? Why isn't bashing Bernie harming the party?
Last I heard Bernie speak, his platform is what we as Democrats fight for. Is it not harmful to bash a candidate that fights for the same values?


I also don't see it as bashing Hillary when bringing up her shortfalls. This is the primary season, when things are to be hashed out to choose a candidate who best represents our party and has the best chance at winning the white house.

And BTW, bringing up Bernie's short falls won't lose votes for Hillary IF she wins the primary, but post after post after post telling Bernie supporters they are less than sure will.

Because she is neither a right winger, nor an evil corporatist. She just represents more of the same, a continuation of the losing strategy we have been pursuing since 1980, when we decided the way to beat Republicans was to be more like them, to steal their positions on major issues and soften them a little bit. The death penalty is a good example. Few Democrats oppose the death penalty now, even with its inherent racism and economic bias, but they insist on various "reforms" to distinguish themselves from Republicans, who seem to be OK with executing just about anyone. The prevailing Democratic position seems to be, "Those horrible Republicans want to execute too many people, but we will make sure to execute only those people who scare you the most." This is what our party has become, and I guess most of us prefer it that way, because most of us support Hillary Clinton and candidates like her. And this is why we are now the minority party at every level of government. We console ourselves with capturing the presidency, but it won't be long before we can't do that, either. It doesn't matter, since Republicans will soon have veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, and they can always call on their DINO friends to support their next war, tax breaks for the rich, etc.

And this is why she jeopardizes the Presidency as well. "At least I'm not a Republican" is a proven loser.

More than likely, many of them are doing those things to annoy. Considering how poorly Bernie is doing in the polls and how dreadful his endorsements are, the teasing is likely the only joy many of them get. I think they're trying to calm their own fears and convince themselves (by way of causing doubts in Hillary supporters) that Bernie actually stands a chance... which he doesn't. (They laugh and titter now, but by the end of March the wailing will begin in earnest.)

See ....?

(They laugh and titter now, but by the end of March the wailing will begin in earnest.) What will your reaction be?

Wailing indeed.....not gonna wail if she's the nominee....I'll just smdh over it.

Bernie is what this country needs, certainly not what some deserve though.

Fortunately for those, he wants to help us all.

I'm not trying to change their minds. I find it humorous that her supporters refuse to accept the fact that she is unfit emotionally, intellectually, morally and ethically to be the leader of the free world.


I get a kick out of it. It's funny and sad like watching lemmings plunging over a cliff......

Some of them are really not democrats but appear to be on assignment for the Karl Rove academy.
Some others would rather be supporting Rand Paul if he had not fared so badly.

A vast majority of Bernie supporters are true democrats, passionate about their candidate and are probably equally disgusted with what is going on. We'll all support the eventual democratic nominee except for the two categories I mentioned at the beginning.

They are pretty much the same group that hated Obama, hated the party, hated all the democrats that didn't think like they did, and were always running around with their hair on fire because one of the gang would post some BS about Obama and they would rant for days about him being a republicans, like Nixon, etc. Of course in the end none of the BS they claims he was doing ever happened, but that never stopped them. I guess they need to move on so they started in on Hillary, and we all know how that has gone.

I agree that most of Bernie's supported are good people who don't bash and trash others, but the one sub group has always had their own agenda, and it's not supporting democrats, or helping them get elected. That has always been pretty obvious.

how the Hillary supporters do the same?

I also am not forgetting the PUMAs of eight years ago, and expect to seem their resurgence if Bernie starts doing well in the primaries.

Just think she would be better at the job. No ginned up scandal will affect me.

There aren't that many undecideds remaining. Not enough to make a difference. But good luck anyway. Losing by 35 points or 25 points is still losing no matter how you slice it. Bernie will not be the nominee.

in fact, an evil right wing corporatist. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I just enjoy stating the obvious. I may change my
profile name to CaptainObvious, but it's probably taken.

It's really impossible for Sanders supporters to be bullies. The Establishment with all the money and power cannot be, by definition, bullied. By cleaving to and supporting the Establishment, Clinton supporters become themselves a part of it by perpetuation.

It is Clinton supporters who punch down. We used to call this hippie punching.

The disdain for traditional liberalism and basic social justice premises betray the imbalance inherent in this dynamic.

Makes sense to me.

I loathe Bernie since the bashers at DU took over. His supporters are his worst enemy, IMO.

not consider anything about the supporters.

I don't think that particular canard is scheduled for Wednesdays.

the Bernie supporters want to focus on the candidates while the Hillary supporters want to focus on the Bernie supporters.

and while not herself evil she does seem to be very eager to throw millions--MILLIONS--of lives into the fires of hell if they're Honduran/Mideastern

but beyond fueling the bloodstained gears of our war-machine, she does seem unseemly GIDDY about Qaddafi's death and nuking Iran; so it's a little more than shortsightedness or wanting to look "tuffTM"

convince you. But maybe we can convince some who haven't made up their minds yet. There are quite a few of them.

browbeat the other candidate merely on the issues. Period. There is ONE in the race sponsored by Wall Street, bet you can guess who? Why if they were driving a NASCAR vehicle the stickers would read Goldman Saks, J P Morgan Chase, AIG, etc... Heck it would be a Who's Who of endorsements making all the other NASCAR drivers cars just look um, blue?

Some of his supporters don't seem to follow his lead.

Bernie. I am an autonomous being capable of acting on my own free will.

because the trail is plainly evident, then IMO their motivation is not moving the country forward or improving the lot of our citizenry, it's simply about maintaining the status quo.

The lack of self awareness is puzzling.

Once the elation of the first woman President wears off and you're left with a conservative Wall St. Democrat we don't want to be accused of not having warned you.

Can we quote you?

Means someone is "not" a corporatist right?

And when the banksters broke all those laws, and crashed our economy, who said they belonged behind bars?

(crickets chirping)

I lurked here vs posting back then. I was an Obama supporter and remember the downright nasty division. There were posters here that mocked his speaking style, etc. Seems to be that division and strong opinion and sometimes lack of tact can be found in primaries.

Just on my personal experience here on DU -- one poster ridiculed my handle/user name and in a post regarded Sanders as "B-b-b-Bernie" and was rude enough I considered using the ignore function. It seems that the snark, the putting down DU members in a private outside group, etc. is not Sanders supporters. Perhaps before projecting generalities, one needs to look at the conduct of some, certainly not all, HRC supporters first.

I don't confuse a candidate with a supporter, like I don't confuse a band or music with the band's fans. It is ridiculous to spout, "I can't support so and so because of their supporters." What a cop out and pathetic excuse to not do due diligence in researching a candidate.

your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

First cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.

Mathew 7:3-5


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I've seen even more crap coming from the corporate candidate supporters.

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1) Apparently, you've utterly ignored the massive quantity of browbeating from Clinton supporters. MADem was complaining about how every post on DU was anti-Clinton, so I counted up the first page of GDP for him: 18% anti-Clinton, 24% anti-Sanders.

2) It's not about you and your friends. You are a lost cause, unwilling to actually look at your candidate's record. However, there are lots of other people who read DU.

You with their experience.

... Bernie to win the nomination.

And internet polls and "Facebook Likes" prove it.