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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:22 PM Dec 2015

Karl Rove: Donald Trump Would Get 'Creamed' Up Against Hillary Clinton

&quot Trigger Warning: This OP contains positive content regarding HRC)" -1StrongBlackMan








Karl Rove, who served as an adviser to former President George W. Bush, warned Republicans that nominating Donald Trump could be a death wish for the party.
In a Wall Street Journal column published Friday, Rove acknowledged Trump's consistently strong standing among Republicans in the polls, and the impressively high percentage of backers -- 46 percent, according to a recent Quinnipiac poll -- who say they won't stray from Trump before the primaries.
Hitting Trump for his antics -- citing the Republican presidential candidate's beef with Fox News host Megyn Kelly and insults of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for being captured in Vietnam -- Rove lamented that there's seemingly no line Trump can cross to lose the backing of his loyal supporters, who "eat up stuff like that."
But in a matchup against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in the general election, Rove wrote, Trump would get "creamed." He called Trump a "dream candidate" for the Democratic Party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-karl-rove_566c34e2e4b0e292150e19b7
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Karl Rove: Donald Trump Would Get 'Creamed' Up Against Hillary Clinton (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 OP
Yes he will workinclasszero Dec 2015 #1
She will put his racist and xenophobic ass in a sling. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #3
Oh hellz yes workinclasszero Dec 2015 #6
We will make the Republican party so small you can put in your bath tub. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #7
And drown it! workinclasszero Dec 2015 #12
So when is KKKarl going to endorse Hillary? -nt- 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #2
No shit, captain obvious. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #4
He was "Bush's brain" underpants Dec 2015 #16
This would be the same Karl Rove who saltpoint Dec 2015 #5
Thanks for this great clip. Ole Sly must have been in the greatest of shape to be able to run and monmouth4 Dec 2015 #8
He is still is his great shape... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #11
Thank you... monmouth4 Dec 2015 #35
She will get 400 EVs against Trump n/t cosmicone Dec 2015 #9
The socialist Bernie should pull out a win against Trump. PM Martin Dec 2015 #10
He is a very scary guy... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #15
Can you imagine what Rove could with a great candidate like Hillary. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #13
I remember what Rove did for Mitt in '12 comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #37
May comparison was he made a big huff and puff about Bush, I know Hillary would not want Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #38
Rove was helped by the fact that Al Gore ran comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #40
George W was a weak candidate on his best day, Rove made him Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #48
Rove is scared that Trump wpuld destroy the GOP Gothmog Dec 2015 #14
And with good reason. okasha Dec 2015 #39
If anything melman Dec 2015 #17
Trump would struggle against the saltpoint Dec 2015 #18
The closest parallel is Johnson-Goldwater. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #20
Not publicly, no. But Rove's smear on saltpoint Dec 2015 #21
Correctamundo DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #25
Yes. The third would-be President Bush is saltpoint Dec 2015 #26
Two points DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #28
Agree, DSB. Strong points, and highly saltpoint Dec 2015 #33
Goldwater had the endorsements from murielm99 Dec 2015 #34
If Clinton would cream tRump... RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #19
Shh...you'll upset the royal hangers-on nxylas Dec 2015 #23
Rove probably feels it would be easier to hack the election to beat Hillary than Bernie... cascadiance Dec 2015 #24
That has been my feeling for months. pangaia Dec 2015 #29
Trump winning his party's nomination will cripple the GOP for at least a generation!! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #22
Yes. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #49
Yep. Anyone who doesn't see it is just blind to reality. It would be a ROUT. MADem Dec 2015 #27
You're excited because... pangaia Dec 2015 #32
And Bernie would do him in even worse!! Doitnow Dec 2015 #30
A Oldie but Goodie.................................. turbinetree Dec 2015 #31
That never gets old! eom fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #52
Yepper......................... turbinetree Dec 2015 #56
Yep Gore1FL Dec 2015 #36
All Trump would have to do is Helen Borg Dec 2015 #41
Your analysis would make sense DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #43
Better hope Bill Kristol doesn't make a similar prediction (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2015 #42
Huh? My first reaction is "reverse psychology." Beartracks Dec 2015 #44
Talk about posting Right Wing BS on DU. bvar22 Dec 2015 #45
to clinton supporters Robbins Dec 2015 #46
I cited the Huffington Post DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #51
Huh? What's wrong with knowing what he said? treestar Dec 2015 #53
Thank you again... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #55
And billionaires love her Android3.14 Dec 2015 #47
Who Fucking cares what Karl Rove Thinks? Chasstev365 Dec 2015 #50
I agree. SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #54
If they nominate him, Jamaal510 Dec 2015 #57
Rove is a weasel, we all know that, but in this case I believe him to be accurate. Beacool Dec 2015 #58
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
6. Oh hellz yes
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:33 PM
Dec 2015

Stormtroopin Trump will tear a gaping wound into the decrepit republican party and Hillary will drive the final stake into the rotten heart of the republican vampire party.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
5. This would be the same Karl Rove who
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:32 PM
Dec 2015

was so prominent in debasing John McCain in South Carolina by character assassination.

http://www.thenation.com/article/dirty-tricks-south-carolina-and-john-mccain/


Now we hear him knock Trump for insulting McCain's military service.



monmouth4

(9,710 posts)
8. Thanks for this great clip. Ole Sly must have been in the greatest of shape to be able to run and
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dec 2015

spar in this film clip. Loved it..

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
11. He is still is his great shape...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:45 PM
Dec 2015

I was going to say he's in a great shape for a man his age but he's in great shape, period...

I really don't like when someone says "she looks great for her age", what?


There is a documentary on EPIC about the Rocky movies. They were amazed at how fast he could run...Also, filming techniques weren't as advanced forty years ago as they are now.

I learned a few things. Ken Norton was originally going to play Apollo Creed and Sly was in the hospital for four days from a heart punch he got from Dolph Lundgren when filming Rocky IV.

Rocky is truly an iconic character...If you have the chance see Creed.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
15. He is a very scary guy...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

He has disrespected Jews, African Americans, Hispanics, the physically challenged, gays, and Asians at one time or another.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
13. Can you imagine what Rove could with a great candidate like Hillary.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:47 PM
Dec 2015

He would never shut his mouth about her greatness. He worked miracles with George W, no comparison to Hillary.

comradebillyboy

(10,176 posts)
37. I remember what Rove did for Mitt in '12
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:51 PM
Dec 2015

I wouldn't want him anywhere near Hillary. Anyway Hillary seems to have hired most of Obama's political operatives and is avoiding her errors of 2008.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
38. May comparison was he made a big huff and puff about Bush, I know Hillary would not want
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:59 PM
Dec 2015

Him to advise her, she doesn't need his advise. He took a nothing candidate and got him in the presidents office, if Rove had Hillary as a candidate he would not have to huff and puff as much.

comradebillyboy

(10,176 posts)
40. Rove was helped by the fact that Al Gore ran
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:07 PM
Dec 2015

one of the worst campaigns ever and having the odious and sanctimonious Joe Lieberman on the ticket was also a huge error. Then in 2004 Kerry was the model for Jeb!'s low energy tepid campaign. Rove helped W against some pretty weak competition.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
48. George W was a weak candidate on his best day, Rove made him
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:30 PM
Dec 2015

A champion from a loser. Gore won the popular vote and without Jeb interference and SC wanting the Republican in office he would not have gotten there.

Gothmog

(145,619 posts)
14. Rove is scared that Trump wpuld destroy the GOP
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:47 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I am on my ipad. Sorry for typos

okasha

(11,573 posts)
39. And with good reason.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:00 PM
Dec 2015

He could destroy the GOP whether he wins the nom or goes 3rd. party. It's lose-lose for them and win-win for Hillary.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
17. If anything
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:49 PM
Dec 2015

this should tell you Rove thinks Clinton is a weak candidate. He would never say something positive about any Democrat if he actually believed it.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
18. Trump would struggle against the
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:53 PM
Dec 2015

entire Democratic field. Unfortunately, he leads national GOP primary polling.

There have been a lot of close elections for U.S. President. Kennedy-Nixon was very close. Carter-Ford was close. Gore-Bush was close, even if we feel that Gore was cheated, the narrow margin of the vote in Florida made theft possible. Gore won the national popular vote, but again, not by much.

Any time a bigoted fascist like Donald Trump is near election, it's a dangerous thing. I want to say that all our Democratic candidates would defeat him. But the argument that Al Gore was a thoughtful policy wonk and life-long public servant didn't sway voters in huge percentages and in large numbers they chose someone who was neither.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
20. The closest parallel is Johnson-Goldwater.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:02 PM
Dec 2015

A flawed mainstream Democrat against a fringe Republican.

For all Bush*'s foibles of which they are legion he didn't run a xenophobic and racist campaign.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
21. Not publicly, no. But Rove's smear on
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:04 PM
Dec 2015

McCain, his primary rival (who had just won New Hampshire) was overtly racist.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
25. Correctamundo
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

The Bush's play hardball...But they are appear to be impotent when it comes to Trump...Too many GOP seem to dig him.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
28. Two points
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

1) Jeb Bush has a flat affect. He really is "low energy".
2) It's a bad thing to be an establishment Republican this election.



murielm99

(30,765 posts)
34. Goldwater had the endorsements from
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:35 PM
Dec 2015

the extremists, like the Klan. It was the first time I had heard of the Klan. (I was in high school). Trump has those endorsements, too.

To be fair, Goldwater deserved better treatment. I realized that as I became older.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
19. If Clinton would cream tRump...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

Imagine the utter total beating he would take when confronted with a Sanders campaign. He would be as good as dust in the election!
After all, many CONservatives and Independents would not vote for Clinton, and would more than likely gravitate towards Sanders. With coat tails, it could be the end of the RepubliCON Party, when Bernie goes up against tRump!

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
23. Shh...you'll upset the royal hangers-on
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:16 PM
Dec 2015

Say that HRH is inevitable! Say it! Say it! Or I'll alert on you.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
24. Rove probably feels it would be easier to hack the election to beat Hillary than Bernie...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

... given that Republicans aren't doing as well in polls against Bernie versus what they do against Hillary, and wider margins would be harder for him and his pals to hack then.

Probably doing some extra work to try and make sure that Anonymous doesn't stop him this time like they did when Obama beat back the hack attempt in the last election that had Rove embarrassing himself on Fox questioning their calling the election for Obama then.

He's also trying to get the Republicans to nominate someone that might have a better result against Hillary than Trump would.

So in this statement, he's going after both Trump and Hilary to encourage a Hillary versus a non-Trump Republican that would work to provide a closer election result he can mess with.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. That has been my feeling for months.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

In fact Sanders would make ANY republican candidate look like Napoleon retreating from Moscow.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. Trump winning his party's nomination will cripple the GOP for at least a generation!!
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:16 PM
Dec 2015

Who knows what will emerge on the other side, but I'm sure they'll be humbled.

I can't wait! What exciting times we live in!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Yep. Anyone who doesn't see it is just blind to reality. It would be a ROUT.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:28 PM
Dec 2015

Who knew Karl Rove could play the stopped clock...?

:rofl

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. You're excited because...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:33 PM
Dec 2015

KKKarl Rove said... Hillary would beat... who??? The Nazi?

Well, that's good to hear.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
31. A Oldie but Goodie..................................
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 06:32 PM
Dec 2015


how do spell egg on your face----------------------yea he's he a great predictor of voting if he can't hack a election, this is what is called a melt down



Honk----------------------for a political revolution it is about the U.S. Supreme Court and to have a progressive Congress



Bernie 2016













turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
56. Yepper.........................
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:54 PM
Dec 2015

this just shows what a total jerk he really is, and the extreme capabilities of this hypocrite.
As far as I am concern he should be in jail, doing the frog step when it came to Valerie Plame



Honk---------------------for a political revolution it is about the U.S. Supreme Court and getting a progressive Congress



Bernie 2016





Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
41. All Trump would have to do is
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

Point out relentlessly how she is bought by Wall Street. People are sick of that, it would resonate. Rove knows that too well, that is why he is hyping Hillary. He wishes it was Hillary!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
43. Your analysis would make sense
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:18 PM
Dec 2015

Your analysis would make sense if 78% of Americans didn't believe she could be elected the next president:



BTW , it doesn't look like Americans are all that sanguine about the Vermont independent's chances.



Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
44. Huh? My first reaction is "reverse psychology."
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:22 PM
Dec 2015

Could be that Rove wants Dems to support Hillary cuz he feels the GOP has the dope on her if she's the nominee. Not that they would necessarily prevail against her, cuz she's survived their slime for all these years, but... This is Rove, guys.

The term "Rovian tactics" didn't just come from nowhere.

Or do you think Rove is sincere?

* Wow, my computer threw up a grammar error when I typed "Rove" and "sincere" in the same sentence.

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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
45. Talk about posting Right Wing BS on DU.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:23 PM
Dec 2015

Since WHEN has Karl Rove ever been a reliable source of information appropriate for posting at DU?
I agree with him on this particular issue, but also believe the same would happen with Bernie against Trump.

Karl Rove ???!!!!
I wouldn't be looking for acorns under THAT tree,
but you go right ahead.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
46. to clinton supporters
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:25 PM
Dec 2015

anyone supportive of her and saying nice things good.bernie supporters,o'malley supporters and any lifelong dems not supporting her bad.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
51. I cited the Huffington Post
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:57 PM
Dec 2015

I have seen FOX NEWS, the New York Post, townhall, IJ review, the Blaze, and The Daily Caller fawningly cited here... I am sure you made your displeasure known then.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. Huh? What's wrong with knowing what he said?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 08:08 PM
Dec 2015

Even Karl Rove thinks Hillary would win over Donald, so that's remarkable. No one is believing him or supporting him in anything. He's talking about another Republican.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
50. Who Fucking cares what Karl Rove Thinks?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 07:38 PM
Dec 2015

The ASSHOLE is lucky he's not in jail. I wish no one who give him airtime or a voice in the national discourse anymore.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
54. I agree.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015

But hopefully he is right in this case. I'd hate to think Trump could win against *any* Democrat.

Since it's Rove there's always an ulterior motive - in this case trying to stop Trump from destroying the Republican party.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
57. If they nominate him,
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

they'll no longer be able to pull the excuse of not having a "real conservative" running if they lose. He is a walking Yahoo! comments section, and symbolizes everything the GOP's donors and rabid base wants.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
58. Rove is a weasel, we all know that, but in this case I believe him to be accurate.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

Trump as the nominee would be disastrous for the Republican party. His supporters would stay with him, but he would not get the votes of Independents in large enough numbers for him to win.

Saner heads within the party are despairing at Trump's popularity. They know that Trump would not win in the general election, but I was surprised to read that some also don't think that he should win because they consider him unfit for the job.

Cruz is ascending in the polls and Rubio is not far behind him. I think that when the chips are down, their nominee will be either one of these two. From our perspective, Cruz would be the better choice. If there's one subject on which both parties have achieved bipartisanship is when it comes to Cruz. Both sides despise him. A Cruz nomination would be better for us than if Rubio won.

http://theweek.com/articles/592719/why-even-people-who-agree-hate-ted-cruz

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/14/10053992/everyone-hates-ted-cruz

http://wonkette.com/594376/ted-cruz-has-no-friends-and-everybody-hates-him-lol

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