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NobodyInParticular

(102 posts)
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 03:58 PM Dec 2015

Hillary's presidentialness

Hillary comes out ahead again and again in the answer to "who among the Democratic candidates is the most presidential?" Where does this perception among the voters come from? It is from Hillary's bearing and language. She stands, speaks and moves in the manner of persons whose confident presence is based on power derived from wealth. Much of the public sees this power as a qualification to rule because in today's social, economic and political reality it is money that decides who is in charge. The more money you have of your own or your sponsors provide the more qualified you have become to be chosen as a CEO or a president. The moneyed class, by giving Hillary hundreds of thousands of dollars to make single speeches, have integrated Hillary into their class, and she in turn thinks, speaks and acts in the manner of the comfortably wealthy.

Is this okay? Yes, if you are for the status quo where the one percent are becoming more and more powerful in deciding what is in their personal interest. No, if you believe the country will be better off if the middle and working class get back the money that has been taken in myriads of ways from making higher education no longer affordable to making it nearly impossible to raise a family on a modest income. That is why a candidate like Hillary whose first sympathies lie with her wealthy peers is the wrong candidate: Bernie is simply the best!

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Hillary's presidentialness (Original Post) NobodyInParticular Dec 2015 OP
K&R. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #1
So in 2007 did Clinton buy Bernie with that $10,000.00 donation from her PAC? Persondem Dec 2015 #8
Ask Hillary. She should know. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #9
Bernie's magic wand will fix all! JaneyVee Dec 2015 #2
Obama is the president, and the markets are already spooking, getting rready for another BUST JDPriestly Dec 2015 #10
Hold on... riversedge Dec 2015 #27
Who is Hillary talking to on the phone? Let's listen! CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #29
Unlike Bernie, Hill has to work at it. Hepburn Dec 2015 #3
But what about curry flavor? longship Dec 2015 #30
She is Predidential because she has experience upaloopa Dec 2015 #4
Actually, Bernie is the one with the experience -- both as an executive, Mayor of Burlington, Vt. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #11
H. A. Goodman is the aka baghdad bob--is implanted in your mind. riversedge Dec 2015 #28
Give one instance in which Bernie has "spooked the markets" NobodyInParticular Dec 2015 #5
Is there anything about Hillary that can't be spun into a negative? firebrand80 Dec 2015 #6
Hillary is not our best bet for the presidency. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #12
I like her firebrand80 Dec 2015 #14
You are not among the majority of Americans. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #15
that would be sad if true treestar Dec 2015 #7
You mean like Bernie! JDPriestly Dec 2015 #13
Doesn't really matter to me. treestar Dec 2015 #16
FDR? wildeyed Dec 2015 #19
FDR emulated Teddy Roosevelt, a great reformer. FDR married Teddy's niece. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #24
Exactly! wildeyed Dec 2015 #25
Who says her confident bearing comes from wealth? frazzled Dec 2015 #17
Nah. wildeyed Dec 2015 #18
She still got chumped by the guy who looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul Fumesucker Dec 2015 #20
Not to mention the guy who stole an election from her husband's vice president Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #22
Her one percentness is why I can't stand her. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #21
Bernie is the best! PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #23
Apparently we Democrats do not agree... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #26

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
8. So in 2007 did Clinton buy Bernie with that $10,000.00 donation from her PAC?
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:15 PM
Dec 2015

Or is that "corporate, 1% money" ok when it goes to your guy?

Or are Bernie's convictions kinda squishy?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Ask Hillary. She should know.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015

Was she trying to buy Bernie?????

Let's get all the big money out of politics.

Bernie is the only one who will do that.

Hillary would not be able to run a campaign without all that backing from the 1%.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Bernie's magic wand will fix all!
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:05 PM
Dec 2015

Probably not. Here's what would probably happen: Bernie spooks the markets, causing another financial collapse, leading to further stagnation and layoffs, then spends the remainder of his term pointing fingers and getting nothing done, which in turn bleeds more middle class jobs and wealth, in particular communities of color will get the worst end of it.

It's fun to rail against all the "evil" people but nobody wins with a failed economy.

Of course this is all just my opinion, just like yours was.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. Obama is the president, and the markets are already spooking, getting rready for another BUST
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:29 PM
Dec 2015

in 2016.

Hillary supporters should watch what is going on in the financial sector before posting about it.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
29. Who is Hillary talking to on the phone? Let's listen!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:40 AM
Dec 2015
Robert Kagan: I meant it when I said that I felt comfortable with your foreign policy, Hillary. I love war. You love war. We all love a good war.
Hillary: You can count on me Robert. After all, you're the godfather of the neocon, warmongering movement and I'm happy that you were one of my closest advisors when I was Secretary of State.
Robert Kagan: Do you think the American public will have a problem with that?
Hillary: Are you kidding? My supporters are able to rationalize anything.
Robert Kagan: Good enough! You still coming over tonight to play Cards Against Humanity? Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bolton will be there.
Hillary: I'll bring the onion dip.


It's worse than we all thought!!!!

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
3. Unlike Bernie, Hill has to work at it.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:11 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie is the real deal; Hillary is whatever is required at the moment to curry favor.

JMHO

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Actually, Bernie is the one with the experience -- both as an executive, Mayor of Burlington, Vt.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:32 PM
Dec 2015

for years, re-elected every two years, and then in Congress for about 24-25 years. And Bernie has been re-elected by large margins to his seat in Congress, first the House and then the Senate.

In contrast, Hillary was always the politician's wife until she ran for Congress in New York State. She ran twice and served around 7-8 years. Then she was picked as Sec. of State and served for 3-4 years. She has very little experience compared to Bernie. And she has far less experience with winning elections. Far less.

Bernie is the candidate if you want experience.

NobodyInParticular

(102 posts)
5. Give one instance in which Bernie has "spooked the markets"
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

Read Zerohedge: The market under the oligarch's leadership the market is about to crumble: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-14/its-not-just-etfs-anymore-cash-bond-markets-are-plunging In his long career from a local politician to his years in the Senate his impact has been consistently positive. As a candidate for the presidency he is endorsed by top economists--http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/2015/7/top-economists-are-backing-sen-bernie-sanders-on-establishing-a-15-an-hour-minimum-wage.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. You are not among the majority of Americans.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:57 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary is viewed as the candidate who wins polls of Democrats, but her negatives are high.

Bernie has low negatives, high positive on things like honest and trustworthy and overall likable.

Most Democrats have been conned into thinking that Hillary is the inevitable candidate who will win the primary. If true, that will be very sad because I for one do not think she can win the general election. Her negatives are too high. Fair or not, that's the way it is.

I think the Republican candidate will be Ted Cruz. That's just my guess.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. that would be sad if true
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 05:21 PM
Dec 2015

that to have these qualities you have to have money.

It can't be true though. Many people have led and come right out of the lower classes.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. Doesn't really matter to me.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:00 PM
Dec 2015

The Kennedys (upper); Hillary, Obama (middle) or Bernie, Joe Biden (working). A Democrat is a Democrat and being from the working class is not a requirement.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. FDR emulated Teddy Roosevelt, a great reformer. FDR married Teddy's niece.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:37 AM
Dec 2015

The Roosevelts were a special case all their own. Not many like them among the blue bloods of today. But there are some good people.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
25. Exactly!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

Great Democrats come from all classes.

Teddy was completely off the hook..... People only think about his macho pursuits, but he also spoke 4 or 5 languages and read a book a day.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
17. Who says her confident bearing comes from wealth?
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:29 PM
Dec 2015

You did, of course (stating it as an incontrovertible fact), but there is no proof to this assertion. Perhaps her confidence stems from her intelligence, already on display when she was chosen to give the commencement address at her graduation from Wellesley:

Clinton, then just Hillary Diane Rodham, was chosen by her peers to be the first student speaker to deliver a commencement address at Wellesley College. Clinton electrified 400 of her peers at the women's liberal arts college with a fiery speech that captured the young generation's disillusionment over President Richard Nixon's war in Vietnam.

Republican Sen. Edward Brooke, the first black senator to ever be popularly elected and whose campaign Clinton once volunteered for, was the main speaker at the graduation. Brooke spoke first and suggested the anti-war protests sweeping across college campuses were a poor way of exercising students' constitutional right to assemble, saying "coercive protests" would discourage support from people empathetic to their cause. Clinton, who had led demonstrations against the Vietnam War on campus, wasn't afraid to take a moment to go off script and respond to Brooke's speech.

We're not in the positions yet of leadership and power, but we do have that indispensable task of criticizing and constructive protest and I find myself reacting just briefly to some of the things that Senator Brooke said. ... Part of the problem with empathy with professed goals is that empathy doesn't do us anything. We've had lots of empathy; we've had lots of sympathy, but we feel that for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/76154-hillary-clintons-graduation-speech-at-wellesley-college-was-inspiring-in-1969-her-words-still-hold


Perhaps her confident demeanor comes from her years working for the Children's Defense Fund, or on the Watergate Committee, or from the time Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of the Legal Services Corp. (legal aid). Or from her long law career. Or her eight years as senator of the State of New York, or her long-fought primary of 2008 (I didn't vote for her), or from her tenure as Secretary of State, where she met with leaders from hundreds of countries.

Or maybe she's just a confident person, and always was. Your presupposition that her confidence comes from wealth is very weak sauce—as if any socialite debutante could do what she has and is doing. It's, frankly, offensive to women and their accomplishments.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
18. Nah.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 08:00 PM
Dec 2015

She stands, speaks and moves in the manner of persons whose confident presence is based on intelligence, drive and experience.

My dad saw her speak at an education policy convention before Bill was elected president. Bill was supposed to speak, but couldn't so Hillary took over at the last minute. My mom asked how he liked Bill Clinton. He said he didn't know, but his wife was WONDERFUL. Long before there was any wealth, fame or particular power.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. She still got chumped by the guy who looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 08:15 PM
Dec 2015

So much for intelligence, drive and experience.

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