2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen you call out the mainstream media for ignoring Sanders...
A week or so after a report by media matters and others comes out pointing out how the mainstream media is trying very hard to ignore the Bernie Sanders campaign how does NBC respond.
Why, with a poll that completely ignores Bernie Sanders of course.
merrily
(45,251 posts)However, they based that solely on his position in the polls. So much more about the Sanders campaign that is newsworthy.
Here's a man running on small donations who, before his run for POTUS remained independent so that he would not have to be beholden to donors. That's a sea change, but apparently not newsworthy. Here's a man running on free education at public institutions of higher learning, also a sea change. Here's a man who walks picket lines while running for President. Here's a man who, while being shunned by the the Party, media, etc. draws in overflow alone numbers other candidates can only dream of. Nothing newsworthy, my a$$.
I just wish it was coming from someone other than the Scarborough crowd.
I mean the math speaks for itself on this one regarding the media coverage. The majority of the mainstream media does like covering Bernie Sanders and they go out of their way to ignore him.
merrily
(45,251 posts)then continue not to cover Sanders.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Cover Dems and Repubs in equal totals, give him the 30 or 35% or whatever he's at atm in Dem polling, and that's still more than an order of magnitude improvement over what he gets so far.
merrily
(45,251 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Hmmm...
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Wall Street backing is pretty much screwed these days. The Status Que is not going to relinquish their control and now that they own the Media,going to be tough to break through the Media Blackout on Bernie. The 1%ers know they can not control the internets,as much and as hard as they try.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)This will probably be the year where people realize that the methods of communication have REALLY changed. We have television still thinking it is the purveyor of opinion and ideas and we have very foolish pollsters that still put way too much stock in land-line telephone polls.
In some ways this is like 1960 all over again where the medium shifted heavily from radio to television for the election. Obviously, television had been a factor before and did have an effect on voting, but the Nixon/Kennedy debates saw that generally people that listened to the debate on the radio thougth that Nixon perfored better than those that saw him on television thought he fared.
Granted, this is an assymetric transition and you can't make an absolute equivalency between Radio-television and television-internet as the medium is still largely video. But the internet has drastically changed the way we interface with information and how we all actually become participants in the information.
Similarly our ability to communicate with a larger number of our friends and community all at once makes word of mouth and populism more potent and sudden.
Really, this should have been something learned years ago but there is often a lag in adapting and adopting technological change. Additionally a lot of the television and cable news services have a vested interest in pretending they still matter a lot and that somehow everything on the internet is completely suspect.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)The shock is coming, it's inevitable. As you point out, a presidential election is the biggest opportunity for the shock to occur and I think it's nigh time it happens.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)quite well. T.V.being the new medium as well as tons of Kennedy money blew the Nixon and his Newspaper and Radio ads out of the water. Of course we new Tricky would surface again and it would be under cloudy conditions as usual.
What Mr. Sanders is doing is what Paul Wellstone did in his Campaigns,meet and greet the people,and it works. Remember well how the DFL party in Minnesota at first rejected Paul,but we the people made it happen and I am hoping Mr. Sanders can force the powers that be in the Democratic Party to not block any attempt for Mr. Sanders to be the Party Standard Barrier. One can see now,how the Super Delegate thing is going to be a issue.
Polling based upon Land Line phones is a joke. Only know two people that still have a land line and that is strictly a fax line. Appears there is a huge percentage that do not watch T.V. in a traditional setting.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)My RW repubbie parents were horrified!
madokie
(51,076 posts)How to control our flow of info byway of the internet.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Sanders has been on all the various talk shows and gets plenty of coverage.
His campaign has become an epitome of whining, moaning, groaning, complaining and kvetching. No solutions in sight.
In contrast to Obama's "Yes, we can!" Sanders has reached "Let's blame someone!"
merrily
(45,251 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Unless they be facts that are slanted to our dream candidate of choice!
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Only in someone's dreams can Bernie get elected. Then they wake up and smell the coffee.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Nothing you said has any bearing on reality.
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cosmicone
(11,014 posts)and Chris Hayes is pushing Bernie every chance he gets.
Bernie is in the news all the time.
But that didn't stop the whining did it?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And no one is whining. So again, nothing you have posted has any bearing on reality.
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cosmicone
(11,014 posts)the unofficial Bernie slogan "Let's blame someone"
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Better to blame them than be in bed with them like some candidates.
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cosmicone
(11,014 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)It's clear you've won this one when you use that.
But you know, it is better to root out the problems and address them head on than to go hide in a cave and hate on people.
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cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I'm loving every minute
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)What next "I'm rubber you're glue?"
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)And... also bullshit.
As I noted the MSM has failed to report Sanders ground game going on right now. Oddly, he has a ton of enthusiastic volunteers running around Iowa and New Hampshire.
So the question remains, do you like the way the mainstream media is picking the candidates for us? Hypothetically would you like it if our positions were reversed? What if your candidate received almost no big media coverage? What if all the polls were stacked to not report your candidates supporters?
I'm just some bastard on the internet. Sanders and his supporters are still running a positive campaign.
Also, you seem to want to deny simple facts. But thanks for the kick to this thread. Appreciate it!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)To how Big Pharma is killing us/injuring us every day of the week, the public would be out in the streets.
But the Monied Interests make sure that no information gets out, that those of us who do collect enough facts are labeled conspiracy nuts, etc.
The Main$tream Media simply ignoring the realities we all need to know about is just business as usual.
The Talking Heads simply ignoring Bernie Sanders is just more of the same.
Bill Casey addressing a new team of new CIA recruits, circa Early Nineteen Eighties:
"We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is a lie!"
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)than he is now. Like happened after every debate.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Didn't work last time I heard it either.
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MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 14, 2015, 10:46 PM - Edit history (1)
Sanders gets more than he deserves, and rarely anything negative.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)The first one is what you have just done...
The data is in, so if you don't like it, too bad. Because the grassroots of the campaign see it, and the newspapers avoid Sanders.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)How much does he deserve as one of the top two candidates in one of the two major political parties? Do you have data showing he has received more than whatever amount of time that is?
Oh, and btw... I believe your post qualifies as "whining".
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floriduck
(2,262 posts)anti-corporate agenda. I'm sure he isn't pleased that his prediction came true but his revolution includes all the major corporate media. And when you have CNN/Time Warner in Hill's pocket and Comcast/MSNBC drooling all over themselves for Ms Shoulder Pad, it only motivates Bernie's Army to work even harder to take these giants down.