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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:52 AM Dec 2015

Clinton’s “inevitability” is a myth


Clinton’s “inevitability” is a myth, and Bernie Sanders will be president, it is now claimed.


Hillary Clinton is not leading in the polls. Rather, she has been the beneficiary of a campaign to “desperately” convince voters that they will end up electing a person they “don’t like,” according to a new report by the Huffington Post.


“Mainstream pundits and public relations executives work tirelessly to make you believe Clinton is inevitability.”

CNN writes that Clinton indirectly controls the PR arm of the Democratic Party, and this hidden string-pulling has been critical in establishing the myth that Hillary’s presidency is inevitable.

The report adds that this grave state of affairs is in fact set to get worse in the near future.

“The nation’s leading Democratic PR firm will soon be owned by a private equity group run by a longtime Clinton insider.”

http://www.inquisitr.com/2630207/bernie-sanders-will-be-president-new-report-claims/


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Clinton’s “inevitability” is a myth (Original Post) FreakinDJ Dec 2015 OP
I find it strange that the only people I hear talking about her Arkansas Granny Dec 2015 #1
What you say is not even true on DU alone, let alone IRL. merrily Dec 2015 #3
And denial is not a river in Egypt VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #4
Many people don't say what they truly think directly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #5
Right on, Erich Android3.14 Dec 2015 #8
Hillary will be the 45th President of the upaloopa Dec 2015 #21
You think we should choose our candidate based on who is winning the polls? JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #29
what you wrote... quickesst Dec 2015 #6
I concur that those memes generally seem to be used BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #18
I don't know where you have been reading or what news you watch, but... Hepburn Dec 2015 #20
That may be, but I don't think it's Clinton supporters who are using the terms. Arkansas Granny Dec 2015 #23
What bull. cali Dec 2015 #24
That statement did not tout her "inevitability" nor did they state that "it's her turn". It spoke Arkansas Granny Dec 2015 #35
Bwahaha. It was a definitive declaration. It's absurd to deny it. cali Dec 2015 #38
The newest Bull S### meme. LOL libdem4life Dec 2015 #26
This is a bunch of unconnected dots connected to maker another bull shit attack on Hillary. upaloopa Dec 2015 #2
Bingo! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #19
Unicorns are real? onehandle Dec 2015 #7
Oh good, now we can indirectly quote HA Goodman Godhumor Dec 2015 #9
I think many pro_Bernie pundits and supporters cosmicone Dec 2015 #10
Not conspiracty -- but a rigged game nonetheless Armstead Dec 2015 #13
That's the way it has always been and always will be cosmicone Dec 2015 #15
How about not using the word "whining" to surpress different opinions? Armstead Dec 2015 #16
I respect your position .. I shouldn't have used whining in my response to you cosmicone Dec 2015 #17
Haha. That should be the slogan..."Hillary... no point whining about it!" PassingFair Dec 2015 #25
Your OP about Sanders' disingenuous economics is also a nice piece of fiction. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #30
Good to know...since nobody has claimed she was inevitable. brooklynite Dec 2015 #11
Sure they did. FreakinDJ just did. Can't you read? randome Dec 2015 #12
In different words Armstead Dec 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #22
She didn't need to. Where do you think the meme "Bernie can't win" came from? libdem4life Dec 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #31
Huh? Try again. Think you have meme confusion. libdem4life Dec 2015 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #33
Huh? One person does not a meme make. Straw argument. Can you really do that? libdem4life Dec 2015 #34
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No, it's easy? Who knew? libdem4life Dec 2015 #37
Kickin' Faux pas Dec 2015 #27

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
1. I find it strange that the only people I hear talking about her
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:14 AM
Dec 2015

"inevitability" or saying "it's her turn" are people who oppose her. Her supporters see that she currently has the lead, but her nomination is not inevitable, and if she wins the nomination it will be because of her qualifications, not because "it's her turn".

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
5. Many people don't say what they truly think directly.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:05 AM
Dec 2015

Racists don't generally come out and say 'I'm a racist!'. They'll just say things that any person who's got the slightest bit of racial awareness will recognize as showing racist tendencies. They can see how a lot of folks are 'turned off' (or pissed off) by their beliefs, so they try to get them across indirectly, and to hide them in other ideas. So we wind up with a lot of laws that 'just happen to have' disparate impact on minority communities.

Likewise, the Hill folks realized early on that actually talking about "inevitability" or saying "it's her turn" was actually working against them, and started trying to avoid saying them directly, but if you get into long enough debates with many of them, you'll notice the ideas creeping in in other ways. 'It's past time for a woman President.' 'She's got the experience!' (Tied to a long list of 'accomplishments' that are usually just Hillary making sure she's in every photo op possible, like a high schooler who pads their resume with dozens of extracurriculars to try to get into a good school.) And yes, occasionally they will even slip up in the heat of the moment, and use the turn word, or talk about how we should have elected her instead of Obama, how much better it would have been had she been President the last eight years.

So of course it's other people who point out the subtext and dogwhistles, not the people who are pushing them but trying to do so subtly.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
8. Right on, Erich
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:47 AM
Dec 2015

The support for HRC used to be a mile wide and an inch deep. Today it is a half-mile wide and a mere film of indignant moisture.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
21. Hillary will be the 45th President of the
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:51 AM
Dec 2015

United States.

And it does not harm to me or anybody but Bernie supporters because you have to keep living in denial and lying to yourselves because of the inevitability of it.

You don't like to see the polls posted on this board. You don't like to read anything reality based.

Well I'm not going to enable you.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
29. You think we should choose our candidate based on who is winning the polls?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:01 PM
Dec 2015

What else would we be in denial about? If we support our candidate we want him/her to win. What is your point?

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
6. what you wrote...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:10 AM
Dec 2015

.... is an absolute fact. I have pointed this out many times, so I can probably tell you with some certainty that you will be met with the same reaction that I have. Silence. Not once have I received a reply either denying it or proving it wrong. Of course it will continue with the belief that if you repeat something often enough people will believe it, but the only people being sucked into that ploy are those who are all too willing to jump on that shaky bandwagon.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
18. I concur that those memes generally seem to be used
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:26 AM
Dec 2015

by her opponents in order to slander her.

There are others here who don't seem to see that, but I'm with you and have seen it, and more than once.

Things do look good for her right now, especially in terms of endorsements and building up state Dem organizations, but I - as one of her supporters - do not take anything for granted and no votes have yet been cast.

Even though I am a Hillary supporter, I love all our Dem candidates and will be proud to support any one of them in the GE. I simply prefer Hillary because I believe that she has the best all-round qualifications and experience for the job.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
20. I don't know where you have been reading or what news you watch, but...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:29 AM
Dec 2015

...it is soooooooooooo Clinton Coronation all the time.

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
35. That statement did not tout her "inevitability" nor did they state that "it's her turn". It spoke
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:26 PM
Dec 2015

of her qualifications and experience. After the 2008 primaries, it would be a fool who thought that her nomination and election were inevitable.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
26. The newest Bull S### meme. LOL
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:54 PM
Dec 2015

She's only qualified to join the Billionaires...that's what has made her "inevitable". Face it, who else has the money? Bernie? Sentence 1, as well his slogan, disqualifies him. It costs a billion plus dollars these days to even run for President. Also, a s### load of national TV coverage.

Now who has access to that kind of money? Who has a nifty Foundation through which to, uh, shovel money into? Who are the funders of this person? Can she get hold of a cool billion?

So see, Bernie people are definitely NOT touting Clinton's inevitability. What a nutty, incoherent concept.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. This is a bunch of unconnected dots connected to maker another bull shit attack on Hillary.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:20 AM
Dec 2015

Hillary has a friend who bought a PR firm that does work for Democrats therefore Bernie will be President.


What a desperate attempt to attack Hillary. There is no there there. I think we will have to put up with this kind of shit for Hillary's coming eight years in White House.

It is been tried before but she will still become Madam President.

I have only contempt for for anyone involved in this kind of smear business. There is no honor in it.

That supposed Democrats on this board are willing to carry water for the right wing in order to boost Bernie is disgusting.

Bernie can't win because he can't get minority support so you try to peal off Hillary's support with OP's like this.

Well for the same reason we don't bother with on line polls, it's not going to happen. We are smarter than that.

Bernie has peaked. His talking point campaign with no ideas how to get things done has gotten all the support it's going to get.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
10. I think many pro_Bernie pundits and supporters
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:21 AM
Dec 2015

have a great future writing fiction ... they come up with the darnedest conspiracy theories.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
13. Not conspiracty -- but a rigged game nonetheless
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:30 AM
Dec 2015

You got money and power and connections to money and power, you get more money and power. The institutions with money and power will use their money and power to help you.

If you're not connected to the Oligarchs, you'll be ignored and/or denigrated by the conventional wisdom echo chamber as part of the "fringe" and "unelectable" long before any votes are cast....Which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"I like what this Bernie guy stands for, and I'm not crazy about Clinton. But I must be wrong because the media and inside politicians tell me she's inevitable."

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. That's the way it has always been and always will be
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:35 AM
Dec 2015

Not just in the US, but in every country in the world ... including socialist/communist countries like China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam etc.

No point in whining about it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. How about not using the word "whining" to surpress different opinions?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:39 AM
Dec 2015

Yes it's the way it's been. Doesn't mean we have to continue to let it get WORSE, instead of trying to make it better and morer open.

Back in the late 18th Century, the argument could have been made that "Yes King George is an unfair bastard, and Britain is screwing us colonists with their policies and imperialistic behavior towards us. But that's just the way it is. the British Empire rules the world, and you ought to stop whining about that."

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
17. I respect your position .. I shouldn't have used whining in my response to you
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:45 AM
Dec 2015

However, I used to do business in communist Russia (before the breakup) and there was the same dynamic at play as in Western democracies.

In the remotest possibility that Bernie Sanders becomes POTUS, there will still be "more connected" people and "less connected" people. There is nothing we can do about that. It is human nature.

Jane Sanders did become president of Burlington College with a degree from a correspondence school. Would it have been possible without connections? You tell me.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Sure they did. FreakinDJ just did. Can't you read?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:26 AM
Dec 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
14. In different words
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:33 AM
Dec 2015

Have you watched the coverage of Republicans lately?

"The real question is how (Trump, Cruzzer, whomever) will do when he comes up against Clinton."

You don;t have to say inevitable top imply inevitable....or you can say almost inevitable iof you want to hedge bets. The effect is the same. Create a self fulfilling prophecy of inevitability in the public mind.

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libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
28. She didn't need to. Where do you think the meme "Bernie can't win" came from?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
Dec 2015

Certainly not Bernie supporters. That's a backhanded way to say..."Hillary is inevitable". Clever, huh?

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