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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:31 PM Dec 2015

New poll: Clinton -11% (37% favorable; 48% unfavorable) Sanders +5% (36% favorable; 31% unfavorable)

Sanders has a better net favorability rating than any of the candidates polled:

+5 - Sanders
+3 - Rubio
+1 - Carson
- 2 - Obama
-10 - Cruz
-11 - Clinton
-22 - Jeb!
-32 - Trump

Here is a link.

Noticeably, regardless of whether you look at this new poll or the aggregation of previous live phone polling, Sanders and Clinton have very similar favorability numbers, but her unfavorability numbers are much worse, and Sanders' favorable numbers are trending up while Clinton's are trending down (both in terms of her favorable numbers falling and her net negative favorable/unfavorable gap widening). Here is a graph of the live phone polling on the topic:




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New poll: Clinton -11% (37% favorable; 48% unfavorable) Sanders +5% (36% favorable; 31% unfavorable) (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 OP
Congress has an 18% favorable rating yet we keep electing them. Agschmid Dec 2015 #1
People don't rate their own congresspeople (the ones they vote for)... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #11
Well, that says a lot, IMO: Hepburn Dec 2015 #2
Our media is always talking about Trump or Hillary. Duval Dec 2015 #25
Yeah....they say such loving things about Hillary Clinton VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #26
VanillaRhapsody, I must have missed the negative about Hillary on the news. Duval Dec 2015 #31
Question 17... SidDithers Dec 2015 #3
Lets repeat this.... workinclasszero Dec 2015 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #4
It is largely because Trump's and Clinton's unfavorability is sky high among independents, voters Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #8
Yes, that is good, but she's far, far behind likely nominee Rubio and that's bad. Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #13
Likely voter model. jeff47 Dec 2015 #9
Independents can vote in some states' primaries RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #18
Yes, but they are frequently discarded by likely voter models even in those states. jeff47 Dec 2015 #20
Nailed it. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #32
It looks like favorable might be the political equivalent of "nice". JVS Dec 2015 #47
Perhaps you missed this part of the Poll... brooklynite Dec 2015 #5
It's a national poll and Clinton is much more familiar to voters in states where Sanders has not yet Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #7
Iowa PPP polling Clinton Still Well Ahead of Sanders Hillary 54% BS 34% MOM 7% SidDithers Dec 2015 #12
Yes and the latest poll RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #19
There's only one pollster worth a damn in Iowa Kentonio Dec 2015 #21
If "Sanders has not yet campaigned to a significant extent" he's in real trouble... brooklynite Dec 2015 #14
"not camp out in 1-2 States and hope for a bounce" workinclasszero Dec 2015 #16
Oh gawd....Now with the "nobody knows him" defense! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #28
They say it like it's a good thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #33
I know right? Has he been hiding under desks and in the Men's room all these years? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #35
I agree with most of what you wrote, but as you are looking at all other comparisons, karynnj Dec 2015 #17
If I might add to your fine post comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #34
Thanks, but ... I don't believe that the idea that there is nothing that could hurt Clinton is true karynnj Dec 2015 #48
I don't really think favorability okasha Dec 2015 #56
Putting the polls together, it looks to me that if Hillary wins, we will have a president that the JDPriestly Dec 2015 #22
x1,000 Duval Dec 2015 #30
Selecting a nominee that the majority of the country doesn't like, trust, or approve of winter is coming Dec 2015 #36
+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #38
Hillary is toast! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #23
She is skeeered I'm telling you! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #37
Hum......what your shoveling doesn't seem to matter Historic NY Dec 2015 #24
That's not too bad Bradical79 Dec 2015 #27
"name recognition" VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #29
Yeah that's Hillarious LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #39
who would think VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #40
Yeah what was wrong with him! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #42
OHHHHHH You think her being a First Lady... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #43
Fact: Bernie Sanders Got More Done in the Senate than Hillary Clinton LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #45
Bernie Sanders has been in office 37 yrs VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #46
"epic fail" - lol LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #52
Yeah VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #53
Those blinders must be glued on with Crazy Glue. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #54
You mean reality? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #55
The really telling number about his Congressional career okasha Dec 2015 #57
Yes, outside of political message boards Bradical79 Dec 2015 #41
Lets talk about 37 yrs VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #44
It doesn't mean much Bradical79 Dec 2015 #49
Was he not Senator of all 50? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #50
Can you smell that? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #51

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
11. People don't rate their own congresspeople (the ones they vote for)...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:58 PM
Dec 2015

...as low as they rate congress as a whole.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
2. Well, that says a lot, IMO:
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:33 PM
Dec 2015

Only Jebbie and tRump are worse? Congrats, Hillary, on scarping the bottom of the barrel.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
25. Our media is always talking about Trump or Hillary.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

Rarely does Bernie get mentioned, but he will eventually, and when more hear him, his numbers will soar.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
26. Yeah....they say such loving things about Hillary Clinton
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:07 PM
Dec 2015

don't they?

If Sanders wants some of her negative publicity he is welcome to some....

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
31. VanillaRhapsody, I must have missed the negative about Hillary on the news.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:15 PM
Dec 2015

I watch a couple of MSNBC in the evenings, when I watch the news. Which media is going negative on her? And I have no doubt at all that our Corporate Media will eventually bash Sanders. After all, he wants to change things there.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
3. Question 17...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:42 PM
Dec 2015
And, thinking about people who might seek the Democratic nomination for president in 2016. If the next
Democratic primary for president were being held today, which one of the following candidates would you
favor? (READ LIST. RANDOMIZE. IF "NOT SURE," ASK: ) Well, which way do you lean? (ACCEPT ONLY
ONE ANSWER.)

Clinton - 56% (Clinton +19)
Sanders - 37%
O'Malley - 4%


Sid
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Lets repeat this....
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:05 PM
Dec 2015
And, thinking about people who might seek the Democratic nomination for president in 2016. If the next
Democratic primary for president were being held today, which one of the following candidates would you
favor? (READ LIST. RANDOMIZE. IF "NOT SURE," ASK: ) Well, which way do you lean? (ACCEPT ONLY
ONE ANSWER.)

Clinton - 56% (Clinton +19)
Sanders - 37%
O'Malley - 4%

Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
6. It is largely because Trump's and Clinton's unfavorability is sky high among independents, voters
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:48 PM
Dec 2015

who are most likely to split their ticket, and a minority within their own party.

They are polarizing, which is poison for a general election but not necessarily bad for a primary.

Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #6)

Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #10)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. Likely voter model.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:57 PM
Dec 2015

They are "ahead" among likely primary voters. Independents or people who fall outside the poll's likely voter model are not counted when asking "who are you going to vote for?".

Favorability is asked of a broader pool of respondents.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
18. Independents can vote in some states' primaries
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015

Just so you should know. So if they are not being counted, clearly one third of voters are yet to be counted.
So let's abstain from these "scientific" polls, and wait for the only poll that means anything. That would be Primary Day.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. Yes, but they are frequently discarded by likely voter models even in those states.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:52 PM
Dec 2015

Details vary by poll, obviously.

So let's abstain from these "scientific" polls, and wait for the only poll that means anything. That would be Primary Day.

Yep, I'm generally not responding in the deluge of posts about polls. Frequently digging into the details reveals interesting details...like excluding everyone under 26.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
5. Perhaps you missed this part of the Poll...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:47 PM
Dec 2015

And, thinking about people who might seek the Democratic nomination for president in 2016. If the next
Democratic primary for president were being held today, which one of the following candidates would you
favor? (READ LIST. RANDOMIZE. IF "NOT SURE," ASK Well, which way do you lean? (ACCEPT ONLY
ONE ANSWER.)

Clinton: 56
Sanders: 37
O'Malley: 4

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
7. It's a national poll and Clinton is much more familiar to voters in states where Sanders has not yet
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:52 PM
Dec 2015

campaigned to a significant extent.

In terms of horse race polling, I'm more focused on live phone polling in Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
19. Yes and the latest poll
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:51 PM
Dec 2015

from QQQ says that Hillary has 99%, O'Malley 1% and Sanders 0%. Of course it is a scientific poll, taken of 350 likely voters on both cell phones and land lines. The margin of error is therefore 1%.




sarcasm intended.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)
14. If "Sanders has not yet campaigned to a significant extent" he's in real trouble...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:03 PM
Dec 2015

...even with momentum from an unlikely win in Iowa, he'll have short windows of opportunity in SC and NV, much less the ten States on Super Tuesday. Part of the necessary qualifications for a good candidate is the ability to manage a national campaign; not camp out in 1-2 States and hope for a bounce.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. Oh gawd....Now with the "nobody knows him" defense!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

Perhaps he is just not as popular as some people think...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
35. I know right? Has he been hiding under desks and in the Men's room all these years?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:25 PM
Dec 2015

even IF he were to win....he sure doesn't have many friends in the House or Senate....he would be on his own.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
17. I agree with most of what you wrote, but as you are looking at all other comparisons,
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:19 PM
Dec 2015

it is interesting that you ignore the change in the unfavorable numbers of Clinton and Sanders -- just by eyeballing the graphs, it is obvious that her unfavorables have been near constant since mid October, his seem to be rising at slightly higher rate than his favorables -- while the gap is positive for the entire period, it is shrinking. This means for both Democrats, the metric of looking at the difference between Favorable and unfavorable is getting gradually worse.

Looking at each of the Republican candidates on Pollingreport.com -- they are all getting worse on this metric as well.

That may say something about our sick media. What seems clear is that who ever wins may have less (if any) honeymoon than any past President. We could have a President who STARTS with negative favorability.

comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
34. If I might add to your fine post
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:22 PM
Dec 2015

Senator Sanders has not been on the receiving end of political attacks from either party. If he was widely viewed as a real contender the gloves would come off and Bernie would be subject to some withering attacks and his net favorability would certainly suffer.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
48. Thanks, but ... I don't believe that the idea that there is nothing that could hurt Clinton is true
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

No matter who are candidate is there will be attacks - some fair based on positions the person took or things actually done , some fact based, but distorted, and some made up out of whole cloth.

Hillary Clinton is not immune to any of these attacks. She has both a major advantage that many people already think they know her well, but at the same time some major - already accepted by many - areas where she can be attacked. In this case, consider that Dan Quayle's misspelling resonated because there already was believe that he was not all that smart. Consider how much easier fighting the SBVT liars would have been if the entire nation knew Kerry as well as Massachusetts did - as it was even though by November, people who would have considered Kerry knew they were lying, but it did made it harder for Kerry to use his guys' endorsements of his character even as a young man, which were extremely convincing and moving.

On the other hand, the two biggest problems might be that she does not have high scores for honesty and there is a reputation of at least going to the edge on what is ethical. That people know her well would protect her from accusations that people would consider aren't how they see her. The problem is that even unfair accusations - or ones like this one might ultimately be that someone did use their relationship to her to get their request seen. Where there may be a problem would be if in addition to getting it seen -- it is then processed tagged as HRC wants this done. The former probably happens all the time; the latter is unethical.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
56. I don't really think favorability
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:42 PM
Dec 2015

is necessarily a predictor of voting behavior. No matter who makes comforting noises, the winner in a time of crisis will be the candidate perceived as the meanest, toughest (son of a) bitch in a world full of mean, tough (SO)B's. I'm not voting for a mommy or perceived good father figure. I want someone who can stand down the Republicans, Putin, Xi and ISIS all in a day's work and continue to give them hell the next day and the next.

Gene McCarthy. LBJ.

'Nuff said?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. Putting the polls together, it looks to me that if Hillary wins, we will have a president that the
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015

majority of the country does not really like, trust or approve of.

While if Bernie wins, we will have a president, a Democratic president for sure, that most of the country approves of, trusts, and likes.

That's why Bernie would be our best bet for the candidate in 2016. People like him. People trust him. People approve him. ...... in larger numbers than any other candidate.

And that is without as many people knowing Bernie as well as they do Hillary or Ted Cruz for example.

Bernie is our best bet for not just winning the general election in 2016 but also FOR HAVING A COUNTRY THAT HAS THE PRESIDENT'S BACK AND WILL WORK WITH HIM. BERNIE IS OUR BEST BET FOR HAVING A PRESIDENT WHO CAN BRING US TOGETHER BECAUSE WE TRUST, LIKE AND APPROVE OF HIM IN LARGER NUMBERS THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.

And in addition to his wise views on the issues, that is why I am supporting Bernie Sanders.

As the Hillary supporters like to remind us, a president can only get things done if he gets Congress to work with him. We haven't had that situation for a long time -- 9/11 maybe -- but that was a crisis and did not last long.

One of the reasons that Congress does not back the president is that the people don't back him in large enough numbers, don't trust or like him in large enough numbers, to put pressure on Congress to go along with the president.

That people just simply like Bernie more than the other candidates could help us turn that historical trend around.

Congress and the president will never work together perfectly. They shouldn't. What is the point in checks and balances if the Congress just backs everything the president wants?

But, the candidate who is best known in Congress right now is BERNIE SANDERS. Bernie has been their since the early 1990s. He knows the players in Congress. No other candidate has the experience working within Congress, no other candidate knows the procedures and personalities in Congress, no other candidate can possibly be as effective in working with Congress as Bernie and may I add, his staff and supporters.

Bernie is, based on these polls and his vast experience and long service in Congrress (plus his executive experience as mayor of Burlington, Vt.) THE VERY BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY THAT WE HAVE HAD IN MY LIFETIME.

He has the most relevant experience, the best track record in winning elections, a memorable personality, good character, trustworthiness, determination, a love of the American people, a sense of justice and fairness, a willingness to stick up for the underdog, understanding of the economic crisis we are in as a nation, straightforwardness that we need in dealing with foreign leaders, COMMON SENSE about war and peace (sees beyond the momentary crisis) and just everything we need in a president right now.

Feel the Bern! Cause the Bern is what is best for our country.

I trust Bernie Sanders. I like Bernie Sanders. I approve of Bernie Sanders.

Bernie is best for America.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
36. Selecting a nominee that the majority of the country doesn't like, trust, or approve of
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:26 PM
Dec 2015

doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me.

Historic NY

(37,450 posts)
24. Hum......what your shoveling doesn't seem to matter
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:01 PM
Dec 2015

HART RESEARCH ASSOCIATES/PUBLIC OPINION STRATEGIES Study #15564 -- page 12
December 2015 (12/14/15 PM Release) NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey
Q17 And, thinking about people who might seek the Democratic nomination for president in 2016. If the next
Democratic primary for president were being held today, which one of the following candidates would you
favor? (READ LIST. RANDOMIZE. IF "NOT SURE," ASK Well, which way do you lean? (ACCEPT ONLY
ONE ANSWER.)
12/15 10/25-29/15 10/15-18/15 9/15 7/15 6/15
Hillary Clinton ........................56 62 58 53 59 75
Bernie Sanders ..................... 37 31 33 38 25 15
Martin O’Malley.......................4 3 1 1 3 2

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
27. That's not too bad
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

It's an uphill battle against big money and name recognition, but still within striking distance. Only about a 10% swing needed to even things out.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
29. "name recognition"
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:09 PM
Dec 2015



Always heard a poor excuse is better than no excuse....guess that is true after all!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
39. Yeah that's Hillarious
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

Who would ever think "name recognition" has any advantages over a competitor!

Just ask Kraft, or Kelloggs, or McDonalds. So silly

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
40. who would think
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:14 PM
Dec 2015

that after 37 yrs....someone would still NOT have any...

was he hiding in the bathroom and under his desk?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
42. Yeah what was wrong with him!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:27 PM
Dec 2015

Why didn't he apply for the position of First Lady too!

No..he had to just quietly go about his business,

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:

Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”

Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.

Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.” Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.

Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.

Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.

Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.

Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.

Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:

Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
43. OHHHHHH You think her being a First Lady...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:38 PM
Dec 2015

Is her ONLY claim to fame...

How about the fact that she saw 11 pieces of legislation pass in only 8 yrs

Or better yet....read her entire record.

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
45. Fact: Bernie Sanders Got More Done in the Senate than Hillary Clinton
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

“I’m a progressive, but I’m a progressive that likes to get things done,” said Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the first primary debate. Nevermind that the things Clinton helped ‘get done’ — the disastrous Iraq war, the Patriot Act — should have never been done, the purpose of this jab was twofold:

• Leverage her status as a Washington insider to present herself to voters as a pragmatist uniquely qualified to get things done as president.
• Draw a contrast between herself and her main rival, independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who she insinuated is a progressive that does not get things done.

This line of attack works because it plays on a common stereotype that socialists and progressives are more interested in ideological purity than in making real-world progress, but when we compare the first eight years of their respective Senate legislative records, it turns out Sanders got more meaningful legislation done than Clinton.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
52. "epic fail" - lol
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:02 PM
Dec 2015

I guess moving the goal posts you can always win right?

Name recognition...As if being first lady and also working on policy within the administration, like heath insurance, for two terms with one of the most popular Presidents, who was involved in a scandal that also affected her and her reactions in the media, not to mention her years as Secretary of State..... was not a significant argument for people knowing about her more than Sanders.

Then the goalposts change and its all about her great accomplishments in the Senate when its pointed out how much more Sanders has done, and NOT done that is harmful as Clinton has done with her Iraq vote..

The goalposts change again and its now that she didn't have the same time slogging away for years in the Senate (instead of getting a free bump into the political sphere by becoming first lady through no effort of her own). So you ridicule Sanders for not being popular despite all those years quietly fighting for progressive values in the Senate, but crow about Hillary being the better choice because she stumbled into fame and the center of political spectacle, even though she accomplished less.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
57. The really telling number about his Congressional career
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:02 PM
Dec 2015

is that he is endorsed by only 2 Congressional colleagues. I've sat on more hiring committees than I care to remember, and a lack of recommendations from co-workers is damning. It's a strong, strong signal that an applicant doesn't work well with peers.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
41. Yes, outside of political message boards
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:23 PM
Dec 2015

Name recognition is important in the real world. Seems kind of stupid to deny that's a real thing. If we want to talk about poor excuses, we could always head over into one of the threads about Hillary Clinton's well documented flip-flopping. Most of you with Hillary supporter tags can't even be bothered with poor excuses.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
49. It doesn't mean much
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:40 PM
Dec 2015

if we're talking about name recognition across all 50 states. Just being a Senator doesn't make one famous the way being first lady or Secretary of State does. How many Senators have country wide mainstream fame without

1. Running for president already or holding another high profile national position previously
2. Being involved in a major scandal of some sort
or 3. Being a part of a political dynasty.

Throw in the way the media generally covers politics, and there's little doubt that Hillary Clinton is always going to have a recognition advantage in any election. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

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