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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:23 PM Dec 2015

Should Hillary be held responsible for what her husband did while in office?


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Yes
6 (46%)
No
7 (54%)
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Should Hillary be held responsible for what her husband did while in office? (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 OP
This will be fun. :-) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #1
sure is ibegurpard Dec 2015 #5
No, there's plenty of things she did wrong all by herself. Scuba Dec 2015 #2
of course ibegurpard Dec 2015 #3
^^ This. Plus, we heard a lot of guff in '08 about Hillary being "more experienced", although winter is coming Dec 2015 #8
Should false claims get their own polls? jeff47 Dec 2015 #4
She shouldn't, but firebrand80 Dec 2015 #6
I clicked yes for fun. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #7
The 2012 convention should have laid to rest any doubts about Bill's popularity. LonePirate Dec 2015 #15
Al Gore lost the 200 election by running away comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #25
That's the wrong question. cali Dec 2015 #9
Well, she's his wife, see, so she can't possibly MineralMan Dec 2015 #10
Gee I thought sexism was dead in the democratic party at least workinclasszero Dec 2015 #16
It's more Clinton detractors than Bernie followers, really. MineralMan Dec 2015 #18
That's not the right question - swilton Dec 2015 #11
Didn't she help kill Vince Foster? zappaman Dec 2015 #12
9 out of 10 sexists would say yes. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #13
You need another option. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #14
I've read on here that she owes all her success to her husband and President Obama. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #17
Had Obama not been around, she'd be coming up on the end MineralMan Dec 2015 #19
Why should she be responsible Politicalboi Dec 2015 #20
For her advocacy and her statements, yes she should be held accountable Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #21
Holding wives responsible for what their husbands do is pretty fucking abhor ant. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #22
no...but there is a faction here that will jump on any reason to bash Hillary Sheepshank Dec 2015 #23
FTR, I voted no Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #24
I'm amazed this is even an argument. ShrimpPoboy Dec 2015 #28
Thats totally up to her in my opinion tularetom Dec 2015 #26
She garnered no experience from eight years in the White House? earthside Dec 2015 #27
If she tries to run on some of it Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #29
At least partly. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #30

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
5. sure is
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:28 PM
Dec 2015

That's what happens when you have decades of advocacy AND a political record of your own you can't run from.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
3. of course
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:26 PM
Dec 2015

They sold themselves as a two-for-the-price-of-one political pair and she was more heavily involved in policy work than any previous first ladies. Particularly now when she is using Bill as a campaign surrogate and trying to spotlight whatever parts of his record that history hasn't shown to be a disaster.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
8. ^^ This. Plus, we heard a lot of guff in '08 about Hillary being "more experienced", although
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dec 2015

a large chunk of that was her time as First Lady. You don't get to own the past only when it's convenient.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
4. Should false claims get their own polls?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:27 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton is responsible for her actions while Bill Clinton was in office. Those actions included supporting, rallying votes for and making public statements in favor of many of Bill Clinton's policies.

Such as "three strikes" laws, gutting the safety net, and many deregulation bills.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
6. She shouldn't, but
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dec 2015

It's inevitable that she will be, fair or not. The GOP will try to her to the negatives, she will try to take credit for the positives.

I'm not really worried about it, if one of the issues is a referendum on the Clinton presidency, it helps her.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. I clicked yes for fun.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dec 2015

Unlike Gore, she will also welcome him on the campaign trail. Some really aren't aware how popular the guy is. Worldwide rock star status.

So why did I vote yes? I want the two tied together as close as possible.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
15. The 2012 convention should have laid to rest any doubts about Bill's popularity.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

I have no doubt he will join the campaign for her as soon as she asks, possibly even before then.

comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
25. Al Gore lost the 200 election by running away
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:32 PM
Dec 2015

from Bill Clinton's presidency. Amazingly enough Clinton only got more popular after the pukes impeached him.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
16. Gee I thought sexism was dead in the democratic party at least
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:41 PM
Dec 2015

But let an actual woman have a very good chance of winning the presidency and all of a sudden "progressives" want to bring back the 1950's!

This garbage is revolting and Bernie followers who are pushing this line of attack should be ashamed of themselves!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. It's more Clinton detractors than Bernie followers, really.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015

There's a difference. If you look closely, you'll notice that difference.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
11. That's not the right question -
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

The question should be whether or not she advocated/advocates those policies, and further has used and used the Clinton advisors who crafted those policies.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
19. Had Obama not been around, she'd be coming up on the end
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:45 PM
Dec 2015

of her second term as President. I wish her all success during her first term!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
21. For her advocacy and her statements, yes she should be held accountable
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:47 PM
Dec 2015

Those statements are on the public record.

Just as this is on the public record:

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/Eleanor_ROOSEVELT_Japanese-American_internment#.VnBtTI-cHIW

In some cases, Eleanor Roosevelt did have public disagreements with FDR...I think that ER was the only FLOTUS that ever did that.

But Eleanor Roosevelt never ran for office either and her advocacy for civil rights intensified after FDR died.

Now the degree to which Clinton should be held accountable is a matter of debate.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
22. Holding wives responsible for what their husbands do is pretty fucking abhor ant.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

From the poll it is clear that a lot of opinions vary from mine.

I wonder what the answer would be to a poll like this.

Should a wife be held responsible for what her husband does in his workplace?

Yes?

No?


How many "yes" answers would we get here?
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
23. no...but there is a faction here that will jump on any reason to bash Hillary
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

it's to be expected, that the fear of not finding the one thing, the one nail that will finally seal her coffin, will force many to try anything and everything in the mean time. As if the Reps haven't already doen that homework.

ShrimpPoboy

(301 posts)
28. I'm amazed this is even an argument.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:53 PM
Dec 2015

Anything she supported/advocated for, or has since taken credit for, is fair game. Otherwise, no way.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
26. Thats totally up to her in my opinion
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:45 PM
Dec 2015

If she wants to trot him out as a surrogate and have him blather on about "two for the price of one" and how much she helped him when he was president, then, yes, she owns him, for better or worse. And she is responsible for what he did because he himself said she is.

If on the other hand she wants to show us what a "strong independent woman" she is, she needs to throw him over the side right now, and prove to all of us skeptics that she really is her own person.

She wants to have it both ways and she should be called out on this.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
27. She garnered no experience from eight years in the White House?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:52 PM
Dec 2015

Okay.

Hillary was there every step of the way with her husband ... the good and the bad.

So, this is just drivel that she cannot be responsible in any way for what Bill did while president.

What the question means, of course, is that Hillary should not be held responsible for the bad things, but we should all give her credit for the good things.

It is a plain fact: Hillary Clinton was a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 2008 and now again in 2016 because she was married to Bill Clinton. If she gets elected President (which I doubt) she will forever have the disclaimer that she was preceded in the presidency by her husband.

Frankly, I think it is sad that the Democratic Party has let the Clintons play this game -- there are many very good women who have independent political careers who could have been great candidates this cycle. But Hillary is so selfish that her ambition is all consuming. Make no mistake, this is a Bill and Hillary candidacy.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
29. If she tries to run on some of it
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

Then she needs to own alll of it.

She can't cherry pick out parts that help her and ignore the rest.


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