2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumShould Hillary be held responsible for what her husband did while in office?
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That's what happens when you have decades of advocacy AND a political record of your own you can't run from.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They sold themselves as a two-for-the-price-of-one political pair and she was more heavily involved in policy work than any previous first ladies. Particularly now when she is using Bill as a campaign surrogate and trying to spotlight whatever parts of his record that history hasn't shown to be a disaster.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)a large chunk of that was her time as First Lady. You don't get to own the past only when it's convenient.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hillary Clinton is responsible for her actions while Bill Clinton was in office. Those actions included supporting, rallying votes for and making public statements in favor of many of Bill Clinton's policies.
Such as "three strikes" laws, gutting the safety net, and many deregulation bills.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)It's inevitable that she will be, fair or not. The GOP will try to her to the negatives, she will try to take credit for the positives.
I'm not really worried about it, if one of the issues is a referendum on the Clinton presidency, it helps her.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Unlike Gore, she will also welcome him on the campaign trail. Some really aren't aware how popular the guy is. Worldwide rock star status.
So why did I vote yes? I want the two tied together as close as possible.
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)I have no doubt he will join the campaign for her as soon as she asks, possibly even before then.
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)from Bill Clinton's presidency. Amazingly enough Clinton only got more popular after the pukes impeached him.
cali
(114,904 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)have any opinions of her own.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But let an actual woman have a very good chance of winning the presidency and all of a sudden "progressives" want to bring back the 1950's!
This garbage is revolting and Bernie followers who are pushing this line of attack should be ashamed of themselves!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)There's a difference. If you look closely, you'll notice that difference.
swilton
(5,069 posts)The question should be whether or not she advocated/advocates those policies, and further has used and used the Clinton advisors who crafted those policies.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)So yes, she bears responsibility.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Yes, she absolutely should if she ran around the country advocating them.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)of her second term as President. I wish her all success during her first term!
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But I'm sure she will take credit for the good things.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Those statements are on the public record.
Just as this is on the public record:
http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/Eleanor_ROOSEVELT_Japanese-American_internment#.VnBtTI-cHIW
In some cases, Eleanor Roosevelt did have public disagreements with FDR...I think that ER was the only FLOTUS that ever did that.
But Eleanor Roosevelt never ran for office either and her advocacy for civil rights intensified after FDR died.
Now the degree to which Clinton should be held accountable is a matter of debate.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)From the poll it is clear that a lot of opinions vary from mine.
I wonder what the answer would be to a poll like this.
Should a wife be held responsible for what her husband does in his workplace?
Yes?
No?
How many "yes" answers would we get here?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)it's to be expected, that the fear of not finding the one thing, the one nail that will finally seal her coffin, will force many to try anything and everything in the mean time. As if the Reps haven't already doen that homework.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)What Bill signed is on Bill not Hillary.
Hillary's statements? That's on her.
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)Anything she supported/advocated for, or has since taken credit for, is fair game. Otherwise, no way.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If she wants to trot him out as a surrogate and have him blather on about "two for the price of one" and how much she helped him when he was president, then, yes, she owns him, for better or worse. And she is responsible for what he did because he himself said she is.
If on the other hand she wants to show us what a "strong independent woman" she is, she needs to throw him over the side right now, and prove to all of us skeptics that she really is her own person.
She wants to have it both ways and she should be called out on this.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Okay.
Hillary was there every step of the way with her husband ... the good and the bad.
So, this is just drivel that she cannot be responsible in any way for what Bill did while president.
What the question means, of course, is that Hillary should not be held responsible for the bad things, but we should all give her credit for the good things.
It is a plain fact: Hillary Clinton was a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 2008 and now again in 2016 because she was married to Bill Clinton. If she gets elected President (which I doubt) she will forever have the disclaimer that she was preceded in the presidency by her husband.
Frankly, I think it is sad that the Democratic Party has let the Clintons play this game -- there are many very good women who have independent political careers who could have been great candidates this cycle. But Hillary is so selfish that her ambition is all consuming. Make no mistake, this is a Bill and Hillary candidacy.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Then she needs to own alll of it.
She can't cherry pick out parts that help her and ignore the rest.