2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumToday's Quinnipiac poll confirms yesterday's Des Moines Register poll -- Iowa is a very tight race
Yesterday's new Iowa poll from the Des Moines Register showed Sanders within single digits of Clinton, and today's Quinnipiac poll shows Sanders just 11% behind Clinton in Iowa with some great cross-tab numbers:
Sanders leads Clinton net +89% to net +44 in honesty and trustworthiness;
Sanders leads Clinton net +89% to net +60 in caring about the voters' needs;
Sanders leads Clinton net +78% to net +56 in sharing the voters' values;
Sanders leads Clinton 48% to 42% among liberals;
Sanders leads Clinton 52% to 39% among men;
8% of Iowa Democrats will never support Clinton, only 4% feel that was about Sanders;
For Iowa Democrats, the key issues are Sanders' issues: the economy and jobs (top issue at 35%) and climate change (third issue at 11%), which is critical because
Sanders is viewed as the best candidate on jobs, the economy, and climate change.
Contrary to some of the other poll numbers floating around, Quinnipiac uses the established method of live phone (cell and landline) polling with a large sample size and is one of the most active pollsters working in Iowa (the latest poll is the 7th this year), and the trend is very positive.
Yesterdays new Iowa poll from the Des Moines Register also follows the established method of live phone (cell and landline) polling with a large sample size (and yesterday's poll was the 6th Des Moines Register Iowa poll this year), and the Des Moines Register poll also showed similarly good cross-tab numbers:
* Sanders has a 21% lead over Clinton in honesty and trustworthiness (52% to 31%);
* Sanders has a 20% lead over Clinton as the candidate who will fight for the middle class (56% to 36%);
* Sanders has a 11% lead over Clinton as the candidate who cares about the voters (49% to 38%);
* Sanders has a 28% lead over Clinton as the candidate who will fix Wall Street (57% to 29%);
* Sanders has a 25% lead over Clinton among independents who caucus with the Democrats (51% to 26%);
* Sanders has a 27% lead over Clinton among those under 45 years old (58% to 31%);
* Sanders has a 9% lead over Clinton among those first time caucus voters (49% to 40%);
* Sanders has a 4% lead over Clinton among liberals (48% to 44%);
* Sanders has a 19% lead over Clinton among the non-religious (55% to 36%);
* The voters agree with Sanders rather than Clinton on the Iraq war, Wall Street bailouts and banking, NAFTA and TPP, marijuana legalization, health care, and tax policy; and
* If you add the first choice and second choice numbers (a critical factor in a caucus) Clinton is at 75% and Sanders is right on her heels is at 72%.
The Iowa caucus is six weeks away, and polls will fluctuate in those six weeks. For example, in the last presidential election cycle, the Republican poll leader in Iowa shifted from Gingrich to who was leading by a comfortable margin six weeks before the caucus to Romney who was in fourth place six weeks out to Santorum who won the caucus despite being tied for fifth place six weeks before the caucus.
The Sanders campaign is where it should be six weeks before the caucus -- in a close race with good cross-tab numbers embedded within the most recent and most reliable polling.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Trump lead Iowa by 20+ points, and now he's 10 behind. Bernie is leading NH by a fair amount and *that* could change.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)If the caucus was tomorrow, I'd be more concerned, but Sanders is steadily gaining in Iowa and looks good in New Hampshire, and that's what I'm looking for six weeks out from the caucus and seven weeks before the NH primary.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Quinnipac now has Sanders at 40% and 11 behind Clinton in December.
The DMR had Sanders -5 to Clinton (42-37) in October.
The DMR now has Sanders -9 to Clinton (48-39)
How are either of those "steadily gaining"?
Sid
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)PPP and the Loras polls have consistently shown Hillary with a larger lead, and considering the DMR is known as the best pollster in the state, I'm apt to believe them instead.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)brooklynite
(94,595 posts)Since mid-September, both Clinton and Sanders have picked up undecided votes at the same pace, and the gap between then has not changes significantly. Clinton continues to be above 50%, which means at a certain point, Sanders will have to find a way to peel votes away from her, or he can't win.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)the Benghazi hearing and the Biden announcement.
If you agree that Clinton got a bump (I'd say a huge bump) from the Benghazi hearing and the Biden announcement, then you would notice that any such bump has been eclipsed by Sanders' progress.
If you don't believe that Clinton got a bump from the Benghazi hearing and the Biden announcement, then your mommy should not let you play on the computer,
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Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)We'd be hearing that hillary is so far behind that it's laughable.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)polling swing than a candidate might get from a good debate or -- in the Republican race -- from a well publicized racist comment).
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NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I'm sure it'll be short.
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Mommy didn't toss enough books down into the basement.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I doubt that one can find his way out of mom's basement.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)And the longer he doesn't gain, the more he will lose. It's that way with a lot of voters, wanting to be on the winning side and all.
It's looking like he needs a "game change" at this point.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And Sanders is faltering on key issues--when Clinton beats him, two to one, on HEALTH CARE, he's just not bringing it.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I'd be enormously surprised if he wasn't. He's the boy next door, after all. And especially if we regard the contest in a binary fashion. With what we know, to this point, he's up by ten points, give or take.
NH is a bit trickier, though, in some regards, which makes the place difficult to assess. There's a huge pile of flip-flopping independents who decide at the last minute, often, if they're going to bank right or left, depending upon which contest they regard as more interesting.
This year, the GOP contest is the more interesting one, so those Bern-feelers in the middle with no party affiliation might instead choose to use their ballot to praise or bury their favorite candidate on the right. Or maybe not.
If Rand Paul can stay viable long enough to compete in NH, that will not help Sanders at all. If these indy voters decide they want to break to the left, instead, Sanders will probably benefit in a big way.
I think your powers of discernment aren't all that you think they are. You should do more plain-and-simple asking and less 'suspecting' and you'd probably have a better time of it. Just sayin'....
http://www.wmur.com/politics/wmurcnn-poll-sanders-holds-lead-over-clinton-in-new-hampshire/36878572
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/new-hampshire-takes-clinton-sanders-on-wild-polling-ride-216248
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)that may vanish (or grow) between today and the actual vote which is indicative of a tight race.
For example, in the past weeks, Cruz has gained more than the current difference between Sanders and Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire and Carson has fallen more than 9%-11% margin on the Democratic side.
MADem
(135,425 posts)A person in Iowa caucuses with one crew...they don't start out on the Sanders team and then say "Oh, to hell with this" and run down the street to join the Rand Paul crew. Battle lines are being drawn--and funny thing about Hillary voters, they STICK. She's loyal, and so are they. They don't make a lot of noise, they go to work, come home, take care of the kids, etc., but they'll show up on election (or caucus) day with Grandma and Aunt Sylvia in tow. Make no mistake. And they won't be moved.
In NH, a Libertarian - leaning poster could be finding a lot to like between Sanders and Rand Paul, and not make up his (it's likely a him) mind until he arrives at the polling place to cast his vote. And, being from NH, he can pick, choose and refuse. A HUGE number of voters in NH love the idea of peeing on the tree, putting their stamp on who might be the eventual nominee. After all, they say John McCain won the GOP nomination through Open Primaries--not through the loyal care and affection of GOP voters. Of course, that's a two - edged sword. Those diehard Republicans didn't love him as well. Or enough.
The Republicans are going to shift. Every time one of those idiots opens their mouths, there's a bit of slop from one to the next. But the Democratic side? It's starting to firm up--it's jello now in IA and will be concrete before you know it. In NH, it will all depend....if a lot of those independent types who flip and flop and "strategically vote" in the primaries decide to exercise their clout, they could come in strong for Sanders and give him one hell of an Open Primary win--but many of his voters won't be with him for the General. McCain found that shit out, too. Alternatively, they could really, REALLY want to goof the GOP and boost up Trump, and vote for him and then go get drunk (Eddie Murphy did a riff about that years ago), wake up and go "Oh shit--he won?" It's hard to know.
Right now, though, I'll take the leading pollsters at their word--they've seen how NH goes before, this ain't their first rodeo. I'm going to assume that Sanders has NH in his pocket pretty much. It's not going to help him come Super Tuesday, though.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If you think this trend is good for Sanders, you must think Clinton is knocking it out of the park in NH.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and the People will prevail. We must get the corruption of big money out of politics. All Democrats should agree with that.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)11point lead is not a horse race and not that close ask any candidate who lost by 11 points or if you ran for office that's not a close race
Bernie he was a lot closer or perhaps leading at one point in Iowa not so much anymore.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)So basically, if Bernie is down by less than 10 going into the Iowa Caucus, I predict we win!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)The very next day, Obama won with 10% more of the vote than the polling forecast just THE NIGHT BEFORE.
Edwards came in second with 4% more support than forecast THE NIGHT BEFORE.
Clinton came in THIRD place, two spots below where her supporters said she would finish.
A race where the candidates are within 10% THE NIGHT BEFORE the caucus is a tight race.
A race where the candidates are within 10% SIX WEEKS BEFORE the caucus is an extremely tight race.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I'd like to bookmark statistical analysis like yours.
Thanks for posting this reply.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)and Sander's supporters from all across the state are heading to Iowa every week to canvas door to door. They will know who every supporter in the state is by the caucus. Hillary may have the wall street money behind her but Bernie has the people.
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reformist2
(9,841 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)And he's taller!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The overall trend is stable with Hillary up significantly in Iowa. I don't see anything going to change that trend in next few weeks.