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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:46 PM Dec 2015

Today's Quinnipiac poll confirms yesterday's Des Moines Register poll -- Iowa is a very tight race

Yesterday's new Iowa poll from the Des Moines Register showed Sanders within single digits of Clinton, and today's Quinnipiac poll shows Sanders just 11% behind Clinton in Iowa with some great cross-tab numbers:

Sanders leads Clinton net +89% to net +44 in honesty and trustworthiness;
Sanders leads Clinton net +89% to net +60 in caring about the voters' needs;
Sanders leads Clinton net +78% to net +56 in sharing the voters' values;
Sanders leads Clinton 48% to 42% among liberals;
Sanders leads Clinton 52% to 39% among men;
8% of Iowa Democrats will never support Clinton, only 4% feel that was about Sanders;
For Iowa Democrats, the key issues are Sanders' issues: the economy and jobs (top issue at 35%) and climate change (third issue at 11%), which is critical because
Sanders is viewed as the best candidate on jobs, the economy, and climate change.

Contrary to some of the other poll numbers floating around, Quinnipiac uses the established method of live phone (cell and landline) polling with a large sample size and is one of the most active pollsters working in Iowa (the latest poll is the 7th this year), and the trend is very positive.

Yesterday’s new Iowa poll from the Des Moines Register also follows the established method of live phone (cell and landline) polling with a large sample size (and yesterday's poll was the 6th Des Moines Register Iowa poll this year), and the Des Moines Register poll also showed similarly good cross-tab numbers:

* Sanders has a 21% lead over Clinton in honesty and trustworthiness (52% to 31%);
* Sanders has a 20% lead over Clinton as the candidate who will fight for the middle class (56% to 36%);
* Sanders has a 11% lead over Clinton as the candidate who cares about the voters (49% to 38%);
* Sanders has a 28% lead over Clinton as the candidate who will fix Wall Street (57% to 29%);
* Sanders has a 25% lead over Clinton among independents who caucus with the Democrats (51% to 26%);
* Sanders has a 27% lead over Clinton among those under 45 years old (58% to 31%);
* Sanders has a 9% lead over Clinton among those first time caucus voters (49% to 40%);
* Sanders has a 4% lead over Clinton among liberals (48% to 44%);
* Sanders has a 19% lead over Clinton among the non-religious (55% to 36%);
* The voters agree with Sanders rather than Clinton on the Iraq war, Wall Street bailouts and banking, NAFTA and TPP, marijuana legalization, health care, and tax policy; and
* If you add the first choice and second choice numbers (a critical factor in a caucus) Clinton is at 75% and Sanders is right on her heels is at 72%.

The Iowa caucus is six weeks away, and polls will fluctuate in those six weeks. For example, in the last presidential election cycle, the Republican poll leader in Iowa shifted from Gingrich to who was leading by a comfortable margin six weeks before the caucus to Romney who was in fourth place six weeks out to Santorum who won the caucus despite being tied for fifth place six weeks before the caucus.

The Sanders campaign is where it should be six weeks before the caucus -- in a close race with good cross-tab numbers embedded within the most recent and most reliable polling.
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Today's Quinnipiac poll confirms yesterday's Des Moines Register poll -- Iowa is a very tight race (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 OP
11% is a significant lead. JRLeft Dec 2015 #1
But nowhere near insurmountable. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #4
It is not insignificant (i.e., its outside the margin of error) but we're SIX WEEKS FROM THE CAUCUS Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #7
Quinnipac had Sanders at 42% and 9 behind Hillary in November... SidDithers Dec 2015 #18
Between this and the Des Moines Register poll, I'm feeling optimistic. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #2
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #3
Today's Quinnipiac poll confirms yesterday's Des Moines Register poll -- Sanders isn't gaining brooklynite Dec 2015 #5
Sanders is gaining and here's why: the prior Quinnipiac and Des Moines Register polls were BEFORE Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #11
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If the situation were reversed Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #10
2% isn't "tight" - 2% is tied (i.e., within the margin of error). 11% is tight (i.e., less of a Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #12
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Except ... no. Here is Nate calling 18%, 19%, and 20% polling in Iowa a "virtual three-way tie": Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #27
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Deja vu uppityperson Dec 2015 #30
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Enjoy your stay. NutmegYankee Dec 2015 #33
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Why do they think I'm a guy? uppityperson Dec 2015 #35
Reading comprehension isn't strong with trolls. NutmegYankee Dec 2015 #36
Trolls aren't very bright. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #37
He's actually slipping. Wouldn't call it tight in IA. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #8
That doesn't look "tight" to me at all. MADem Dec 2015 #9
And yet I suspect that you probably see the New Hampshire race as tight. Just saying. Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #13
I see NH as "Sanders leading," quite plainly. MADem Dec 2015 #15
I agree. But a lead that is smaller than the type of shifting seen over a six week period is a lead Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #16
Sorry--I think you're trying to compare an apple to an orange, there. MADem Dec 2015 #39
Sanders is losing ground. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #14
The volunteer teams in the states are just getting organized. Sanders is the People's candidate rhett o rick Dec 2015 #17
The cherry picking of polls you like and don't like are amusing FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #19
Bernie will pick up 10 points during caucus night alone. The enthusiasm will be infectious! reformist2 Dec 2015 #25
In 2008, Clinton was at 29.4%, Obama was at 27.7%, Edwards was at 25.5% the NIGHT BEFORE the caucus Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #26
Would you consider turning this into a thread of its own, please? Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #40
I live in Missouri wilsonbooks Dec 2015 #21
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Inertia, fear. People are afraid to switch horses, but they do like Bernie better. reformist2 Dec 2015 #24
Wow are you in for a major disappointment. moobu2 Dec 2015 #31
Sanders is winning in shoe size! okasha Dec 2015 #28
One or two polls never "confirm"anything. DCBob Dec 2015 #38
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
4. But nowhere near insurmountable.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:50 PM
Dec 2015

Trump lead Iowa by 20+ points, and now he's 10 behind. Bernie is leading NH by a fair amount and *that* could change.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
7. It is not insignificant (i.e., its outside the margin of error) but we're SIX WEEKS FROM THE CAUCUS
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:52 PM
Dec 2015

If the caucus was tomorrow, I'd be more concerned, but Sanders is steadily gaining in Iowa and looks good in New Hampshire, and that's what I'm looking for six weeks out from the caucus and seven weeks before the NH primary.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
18. Quinnipac had Sanders at 42% and 9 behind Hillary in November...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:01 PM
Dec 2015

Quinnipac now has Sanders at 40% and 11 behind Clinton in December.

The DMR had Sanders -5 to Clinton (42-37) in October.
The DMR now has Sanders -9 to Clinton (48-39)


How are either of those "steadily gaining"?



Sid

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
2. Between this and the Des Moines Register poll, I'm feeling optimistic.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:49 PM
Dec 2015

PPP and the Loras polls have consistently shown Hillary with a larger lead, and considering the DMR is known as the best pollster in the state, I'm apt to believe them instead.

brooklynite

(94,595 posts)
5. Today's Quinnipiac poll confirms yesterday's Des Moines Register poll -- Sanders isn't gaining
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015

Since mid-September, both Clinton and Sanders have picked up undecided votes at the same pace, and the gap between then has not changes significantly. Clinton continues to be above 50%, which means at a certain point, Sanders will have to find a way to peel votes away from her, or he can't win.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
11. Sanders is gaining and here's why: the prior Quinnipiac and Des Moines Register polls were BEFORE
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:00 PM
Dec 2015

the Benghazi hearing and the Biden announcement.

If you agree that Clinton got a bump (I'd say a huge bump) from the Benghazi hearing and the Biden announcement, then you would notice that any such bump has been eclipsed by Sanders' progress.

If you don't believe that Clinton got a bump from the Benghazi hearing and the Biden announcement, then your mommy should not let you play on the computer,

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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
12. 2% isn't "tight" - 2% is tied (i.e., within the margin of error). 11% is tight (i.e., less of a
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:04 PM
Dec 2015

polling swing than a candidate might get from a good debate or -- in the Republican race -- from a well publicized racist comment).

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MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
8. He's actually slipping. Wouldn't call it tight in IA.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:54 PM
Dec 2015

And the longer he doesn't gain, the more he will lose. It's that way with a lot of voters, wanting to be on the winning side and all.

It's looking like he needs a "game change" at this point.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. That doesn't look "tight" to me at all.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:54 PM
Dec 2015

And Sanders is faltering on key issues--when Clinton beats him, two to one, on HEALTH CARE, he's just not bringing it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. I see NH as "Sanders leading," quite plainly.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:30 PM
Dec 2015

I'd be enormously surprised if he wasn't. He's the boy next door, after all. And especially if we regard the contest in a binary fashion. With what we know, to this point, he's up by ten points, give or take.

NH is a bit trickier, though, in some regards, which makes the place difficult to assess. There's a huge pile of flip-flopping independents who decide at the last minute, often, if they're going to bank right or left, depending upon which contest they regard as more interesting.

This year, the GOP contest is the more interesting one, so those Bern-feelers in the middle with no party affiliation might instead choose to use their ballot to praise or bury their favorite candidate on the right. Or maybe not.

If Rand Paul can stay viable long enough to compete in NH, that will not help Sanders at all. If these indy voters decide they want to break to the left, instead, Sanders will probably benefit in a big way.

I think your powers of discernment aren't all that you think they are. You should do more plain-and-simple asking and less 'suspecting' and you'd probably have a better time of it. Just sayin'....

http://www.wmur.com/politics/wmurcnn-poll-sanders-holds-lead-over-clinton-in-new-hampshire/36878572

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/new-hampshire-takes-clinton-sanders-on-wild-polling-ride-216248

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
16. I agree. But a lead that is smaller than the type of shifting seen over a six week period is a lead
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

that may vanish (or grow) between today and the actual vote which is indicative of a tight race.

For example, in the past weeks, Cruz has gained more than the current difference between Sanders and Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire and Carson has fallen more than 9%-11% margin on the Democratic side.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. Sorry--I think you're trying to compare an apple to an orange, there.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:10 AM
Dec 2015

A person in Iowa caucuses with one crew...they don't start out on the Sanders team and then say "Oh, to hell with this" and run down the street to join the Rand Paul crew. Battle lines are being drawn--and funny thing about Hillary voters, they STICK. She's loyal, and so are they. They don't make a lot of noise, they go to work, come home, take care of the kids, etc., but they'll show up on election (or caucus) day with Grandma and Aunt Sylvia in tow. Make no mistake. And they won't be moved.

In NH, a Libertarian - leaning poster could be finding a lot to like between Sanders and Rand Paul, and not make up his (it's likely a him) mind until he arrives at the polling place to cast his vote. And, being from NH, he can pick, choose and refuse. A HUGE number of voters in NH love the idea of peeing on the tree, putting their stamp on who might be the eventual nominee. After all, they say John McCain won the GOP nomination through Open Primaries--not through the loyal care and affection of GOP voters. Of course, that's a two - edged sword. Those diehard Republicans didn't love him as well. Or enough.

The Republicans are going to shift. Every time one of those idiots opens their mouths, there's a bit of slop from one to the next. But the Democratic side? It's starting to firm up--it's jello now in IA and will be concrete before you know it. In NH, it will all depend....if a lot of those independent types who flip and flop and "strategically vote" in the primaries decide to exercise their clout, they could come in strong for Sanders and give him one hell of an Open Primary win--but many of his voters won't be with him for the General. McCain found that shit out, too. Alternatively, they could really, REALLY want to goof the GOP and boost up Trump, and vote for him and then go get drunk (Eddie Murphy did a riff about that years ago), wake up and go "Oh shit--he won?" It's hard to know.

Right now, though, I'll take the leading pollsters at their word--they've seen how NH goes before, this ain't their first rodeo. I'm going to assume that Sanders has NH in his pocket pretty much. It's not going to help him come Super Tuesday, though.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Sanders is losing ground.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:15 PM
Dec 2015

If you think this trend is good for Sanders, you must think Clinton is knocking it out of the park in NH.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. The volunteer teams in the states are just getting organized. Sanders is the People's candidate
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:58 PM
Dec 2015

and the People will prevail. We must get the corruption of big money out of politics. All Democrats should agree with that.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
19. The cherry picking of polls you like and don't like are amusing
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:31 PM
Dec 2015

11point lead is not a horse race and not that close ask any candidate who lost by 11 points or if you ran for office that's not a close race
Bernie he was a lot closer or perhaps leading at one point in Iowa not so much anymore.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
25. Bernie will pick up 10 points during caucus night alone. The enthusiasm will be infectious!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

So basically, if Bernie is down by less than 10 going into the Iowa Caucus, I predict we win!

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
26. In 2008, Clinton was at 29.4%, Obama was at 27.7%, Edwards was at 25.5% the NIGHT BEFORE the caucus
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015


The very next day, Obama won with 10% more of the vote than the polling forecast just THE NIGHT BEFORE.

Edwards came in second with 4% more support than forecast THE NIGHT BEFORE.

Clinton came in THIRD place, two spots below where her supporters said she would finish.

A race where the candidates are within 10% THE NIGHT BEFORE the caucus is a tight race.

A race where the candidates are within 10% SIX WEEKS BEFORE the caucus is an extremely tight race.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
40. Would you consider turning this into a thread of its own, please?
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:18 AM
Dec 2015

I'd like to bookmark statistical analysis like yours.

Thanks for posting this reply.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
21. I live in Missouri
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:52 PM
Dec 2015

and Sander's supporters from all across the state are heading to Iowa every week to canvas door to door. They will know who every supporter in the state is by the caucus. Hillary may have the wall street money behind her but Bernie has the people.

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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
38. One or two polls never "confirm"anything.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:43 PM
Dec 2015

The overall trend is stable with Hillary up significantly in Iowa. I don't see anything going to change that trend in next few weeks.

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