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elleng

(130,964 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:56 PM Dec 2015

DNC Contributed to Rise of Trump.

'The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has contributed to the rise of Donald Trump and the attention he’s been given by limiting TV debates and holding them on weekend nights, Democratic presidential candidate Martin O’Malley charged Tuesday.

Speaking to reporters following a speech at the National Immigrant Integration Conference in Brooklyn, NY, O’Malley said, “Our party bears a lot of culpability for Donald Trump’s rise by the way that we have delayed debates; we have cut off debates, and we have hidden debates.”

“We are a great people and our history has been a beacon of hope to the world. But human beings can fall very, very susceptible to fascist appeals when they feel vulnerable and feel threatened,” the Democratic presidential hopeful explained.

O’Malley insisted that the debate calendar, enforced by DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was intentional.

“The Democratic Party needs to stop acting in undemocratic ways. The Democratic Party should not limit debates or close off debates,” he said. ” Look when the Republicans scheduled theirs: on a weeknight when the greatest number of people see it and talk about it the next day. Look when our party schedules the debates: the same time as ‘Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer’ – on a Saturday. And yet, we shrug and take it.”

Republican presidential hopefuls are expected to take the stage Tuesday evening Wolf Blitzer for the 5th TV debate aired on CNN and Facebook at Sheldon Adelson’s Venetian Casino in Las Vegas. The three Democratic candidates are set to square off for the 3rd time at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire, and aired on ABC, Saturday night.

Tonight’s debate will focus on National Security following the recent terror attacks in Paris and San Bernardino. According to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released on Monday night, 40 percent of Americans say national security and terrorism should be the government’s top priority. The poll showed that while 58 percent of Republican primary voters say national security/terrorism is their top concern, just 26 percent of Democratic primary voters who say that.

But O’Malley argued national security and domestic issues go hand-in-hand, insisting that the shift of the public debate over the war on terror and homeland security does not in any way reshape the race or have an effect on his candidacy. “I’m the only candidate that has actually – since the attacks on September 11th (2001)- been at the forefront of homeland security and preparedness in our own country, ” the former Maryland Governor told Jewish Insider. “So, I look forward to this debate – the defining debate. The first job of the President of the U.S. is to protect the people of the United States, and Governors have led us successfully and victoriously through two world wars. And I have the ability and discipline that I have learned by being a chief executive to keep the people of the U.S. safe.”

O’Malley said the Democratic presidential candidates have not yet debated and discussed the issue enough in the last debate, but he hopes to draw a stark contrast with his main rival Hillary Clinton in the next debate. “I think Secretary Clinton has not demonstrated the ability to anticipate change,” he stressed. “I think she has shown time and time again that while she has a reflexive pole for the big military intervention, she does not have the foresight to anticipate change or, really, to be the sort of collaborative leader that can reform these sigh load bureaucracies that – still today – fail to communicate with each other even on things of routine, or checking social media to see if people have dedicated themselves to jihad before granting them visas.”

“As the nature of warfare has changed, so too must the nature of our own leadership here,” O’Malley told Jewish Insider. “We have to become a lot more collaborative, a lot more fast and much more quickly adapting to the change.”

“It is like an immune system in your own body,” he asserted. “Your immune system is strong not because it outnumbers the bad bugs in the world or the germs. Your immune system is strong because it is better connected, more intelligent, and it could respond more quickly. And that’s what we need to be able to do.There’s a lot of talk about sharing information between our country and other countries, but we have challenges still in our own nation in sharing information from our federal, our state and our local government.”'

http://jewishinsider.com/5623/omalley-dnc-contributed-to-the-rise-of-trump/

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DNC Contributed to Rise of Trump. (Original Post) elleng Dec 2015 OP
That make no sense at all..... Historic NY Dec 2015 #1
It make absolute sense AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #7
REALLY? You Don't See This??? ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #12
Whoops! Sorry, Didn't Mean That To Be All Bold! n/t ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #13
Right On! KoKo Dec 2015 #45
Are You Joking? billhicks76 Dec 2015 #16
Ppppphhht! Android3.14 Dec 2015 #18
Yep, Ol Debbie Downer is a... 99Forever Dec 2015 #2
He is absolutely right ibegurpard Dec 2015 #3
The Democratic Party should know better than to leave a political vacuum. bvar22 Dec 2015 #46
Sure should know, elleng Dec 2015 #47
Big college football games, A long awaited Star Wars movie release, Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #4
Bulls**t of course, but if even a vanishing bit of truth then good on them for brilliantly exposing Augiedog Dec 2015 #5
Ceding the debate audiences to the Republicans is either patently stupid or intentional. Scuba Dec 2015 #6
I believe it's both. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #40
well, that and the Kochs helping create the DLC MisterP Dec 2015 #8
i heard an analyst say this today restorefreedom Dec 2015 #9
yeah because they only cover trump and others during a debate JI7 Dec 2015 #10
O'Malley is correct. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #11
He's right. zentrum Dec 2015 #14
100% agree SmittynMo Dec 2015 #15
Hypothetically, if Clinton is not the nominee then DWS would be responsible for a great disservice PoliticalMalcontent Dec 2015 #20
Hypothetically SmittynMo Dec 2015 #24
. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #17
How does the number of debates link up to the media's coverage of Trump? George II Dec 2015 #19
'the rise of Donald Trump and the attention he’s been given' due to the ## of repug debats elleng Dec 2015 #21
I have to disagree with you on this. While the lack of Democratic debates is valid issue, blaming still_one Dec 2015 #27
Not blaming trump, blaming DNC for lack of Dem debates. elleng Dec 2015 #29
The OP is blaming the DNC for the rise of Trump, and I disagree with that. The lack of Dem debates still_one Dec 2015 #30
OP says 'DNC has contributed to the rise of Donald Trump and the attention he’s been given elleng Dec 2015 #32
I don't agree with that premise. I agree that Sanders, and especially O'Malley are at a still_one Dec 2015 #33
The lack of Democratic debates, and the shitty scheduling of the few we do have jeff47 Dec 2015 #41
While I agree that more Democratic debates should have been scheduled, most of still_one Dec 2015 #44
So what? There's nothing filling the void, so they talk about Trump. jeff47 Dec 2015 #48
Haven't you heard? It's Hillary's turn! jalan48 Dec 2015 #22
Sorry, I'm hard of hearing!!! elleng Dec 2015 #23
If they did, they deserve our appreciation... brooklynite Dec 2015 #25
Absolutely! leftofcool Dec 2015 #26
The lack of Democratic debates is not what is elevating Trump. It is republicans who are elevating still_one Dec 2015 #28
I've been posting that for months. merrily Dec 2015 #31
The lack of Democratic debates is a disservice to the Democrats trying to decide who is the best still_one Dec 2015 #34
Delaying the start of them did. merrily Dec 2015 #35
Those are the Democrats who "aren't paying attention yet"? brooklynite Dec 2015 #37
Probably, but that can be viewed as an argument for more debates so they get motivated. still_one Dec 2015 #39
k&r bigtree Dec 2015 #36
I have issues with the debate schedule, but it has nothing to do with Trumps rise Renew Deal Dec 2015 #38
“The Democratic Party needs to stop acting in undemocratic ways" UglyGreed Dec 2015 #42
SURE is! elleng Dec 2015 #43
Both the RNC and The DNC are crapping on democracy. It's just one is more pungent than the other. nt Snotcicles Dec 2015 #49

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
1. That make no sense at all.....
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:10 PM
Dec 2015

the RNC runs their debates for their people ....the DNC for ours. Its the freaking primary not the general election. Nothing would shunt Big Mouth...the Republicans can't even shut him down. Trump would laugh in O'Malleys face and use some derogatory Irish slur and have people roaring. The people driving him are the less that politically astute he is hitting all those thing prissy politically correct people wouldn't say even if they think it. I just came away from a conversation with a great Trump defender....he knows the Republican Party hates Trump, thinks he hasn't a chance, also thinks he;s for the guys that got nothing, yup the billionare...you think O'Malley or any more debates can reason with that. Coming from a guy that barely registers on the radar screen its sound like a desperate excuse.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
7. It make absolute sense
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:01 PM
Dec 2015

DWS is intentionally taking the wind out of the Democratic sails. Hillary's supporters openly agree too, with Op after Op stating Trump should get all the attention. DWS/Hillary foolishly believe that she can win on name recognition alone.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
12. REALLY? You Don't See This???
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
Dec 2015

IF the DNC would give MORE attentionn, focus and/or support for the OTHER TWO candidates running for the Democratic nominee MORE people might get a "look see" at this Democratic Party! What TWO things are happening this weekend? A Democratic Debate AND the debut of STAR WARS!! Ya wanna take a guess what people will be talking about??

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was HUGE for Hillary when she ran before and NOW somehow she's the head of the DNC!!! I don't personally know ANYONE who cares for her or who supports her as the head of the DNC!

There IS no doubt that this is a strategy thought out long before any of our nominees announced. It was a given that Hillary was going to run AND many, many, many people high up in the Party intended for her to be the nominee! It may not be said out loud, but it WAS a plan and there isn't anyone who can convince me otherwise.

The other two candidates get NO media coverage, no match-up comparison by the media, it's ALWAYS... how Hillary polls against th Repuke candidates. Did you know that Rubio polls ahead of Hillary head to head, BUT Bernie actually beats Rubio AND every other Rupuke candidate!!

ABC has given Trump 81 minutes of coverage and Bernie less than ONE minute. O'Malley gets ZERO all the time!

How does ANYONE think someone can register on ANY radar screen when they don't get any coverage??? Only political junkies follow this stuff closely, this country barely votes in mid-term elections & most ONLY pay attention during POTUS time! I know many. many people who don't have a clue about much of anything political! Most say they don't have the time to find out about this stuff. BIG mouth TRUMP is what they DO KNOW!

WHERE is our very own Democratic Party?? What are they doing to counter-attack?? NOTHING AT ALL! Scheduling debates that have conflicted with other huge events that all too many Americans would rather see. VERY, VERY few Democrats will even think about supporting anyone but HILLARY! Yeah, THEY got the message too!

I'll stop, but it makes me sick and it also makes me ashamed and FURIOUS that the Party I once loved and believed in has been hijacked the way it has been. It's almost completely DLC and those of us who have been the bed rock of the Party for years and years are being called out as some sort of "other." This Party really needs to look closely at what's happening because if they haven't already noticed, many Democrats have switched and become Independents. Independents are now the largest group as political Parties go. It USED to be Democrats!!

Funny that! NOT SO MUCH!

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
16. Are You Joking?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:36 PM
Dec 2015

There is economic market share, political market share and media market share. By bowing out and not having Hillary and her crony Wasserman-Schultz are giving away that market share and allowing Trump to fill the vacuum, define the dialogue and set the tone. Its absurd. These two are traitors to our party because they put themselves above us and the the country itself. Its a freakin crime. Blame them when we have President Trump...he's only getting bigger and unlike these two headaches he is energizing the electorate and bringing in new voters. Thats how you win. Bernie does that. And of course Hillary assumes she will win because she is entitled and wants to be like royalty. How did that work out last time Hillary? I will be blaming all her supporters when we have President Trump. The old ways of doing business dont apply anymore in case anyone didnt notice.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
18. Ppppphhht!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:55 PM
Dec 2015

Don't be obtuse.

The debate schedule makes the antidemocratic cooperation between DWS and HRC obvious.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
2. Yep, Ol Debbie Downer is a...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015

... real political guru, isn't she? With a freakin' genius like that running the show, what else can you expect?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
3. He is absolutely right
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:13 PM
Dec 2015

They have deliberately allowed this vacuum to be filled by him just to hang onto absolute control over the process. It has even been to the detriment of the candidate they are trying to protect.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
46. The Democratic Party should know better than to leave a political vacuum.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:16 PM
Dec 2015

After the Centrist Clinton Administration, the Party left a BIG vacuum on The Left in 2000,
and.....well, here we are.

Vacuums are filled.
Its Physics.


....and people are wondering WHY Trump & Republicans are getting all that face time on TV?
It is no mystery.
That is the direct consequence of Hillary and DWS hiding the Democratic Party during debate season.
DWS and Hillary have made sure that the Republicans are the only game in TV Town.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
4. Big college football games, A long awaited Star Wars movie release,
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:56 PM
Dec 2015

the last weekend of shopping before the biggest holiday of the year..... one could go on and on.

The sad thing is this wasn't just a bonehead move, it was decisive planning by DWS and the DNC at minimum.

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
5. Bulls**t of course, but if even a vanishing bit of truth then good on them for brilliantly exposing
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:56 PM
Dec 2015

to America the truth of the Republican Party and its scummy underpinnings.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. Ceding the debate audiences to the Republicans is either patently stupid or intentional.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015

Sadly, I'm afraid it's the latter.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
15. 100% agree
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:36 PM
Dec 2015

O’Malley insisted that the debate calendar, enforced by DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was intentional.

I'm sorry, but people want MORE information, not less. We should be dominating the airwaves.

20. Hypothetically, if Clinton is not the nominee then DWS would be responsible for a great disservice
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:59 PM
Dec 2015

to the Democratic Party Nominee.

elleng

(130,964 posts)
21. 'the rise of Donald Trump and the attention he’s been given' due to the ## of repug debats
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:02 PM
Dec 2015

compares badly with the attention the Democratic candidates have NOT been given.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
27. I have to disagree with you on this. While the lack of Democratic debates is valid issue, blaming
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:24 AM
Dec 2015

that on the popularity of Trump is not valid. For one thing, Trump is running as a republican, not a Democrat. It is the republicans who are supporting him, NOT the Democrats.

In addition, outside of the debate forum, Trump was making most of his outrageous statements, and receiving all kinds of media attention from those statements.

It is those outrageous statements why he is getting all the media attention, not because of the lack of Democratic debates.

It can be legitimately argued that Sanders, and especially O'Malley aren't getting the coverage they deserve because of the lack of Democratic debates, but I would also argue that compared to the republicans, Clinton is getting that much coverage by the media, unless it involves her email, or a assumed controversy.

That is what the media thrives on, controversy, and like it or not that is what they are more interested in rather than substance.

elleng

(130,964 posts)
29. Not blaming trump, blaming DNC for lack of Dem debates.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:36 AM
Dec 2015

Of course the media thrives on the drama, and we (and O'Malley in particular) need exposure.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
30. The OP is blaming the DNC for the rise of Trump, and I disagree with that. The lack of Dem debates
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:55 AM
Dec 2015

is valid for O'Malley and Sanders not getting the coverage they deserve, but have nothing to do with Trump's rise. That is because of the craziness of the republicans

elleng

(130,964 posts)
32. OP says 'DNC has contributed to the rise of Donald Trump and the attention he’s been given
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:59 AM
Dec 2015

by limiting TV debates and holding them on weekend nights . . .'

still_one

(92,217 posts)
33. I don't agree with that premise. I agree that Sanders, and especially O'Malley are at a
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:04 AM
Dec 2015

disadvantage because the number of Democratic debates is limited. I also agree that limiting the number of Democratic debates is a disservice to the Democrats who want to understand where the Democratic candidates stand on the issues

Anyway, that is just how I view it

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
41. The lack of Democratic debates, and the shitty scheduling of the few we do have
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:20 PM
Dec 2015

creates a void in coverage. The media has filled that void with Trump.

More debates not scheduled for minimal impact, more drama in the Democratic primary. More drama causes more coverage of the Democratic primary, which leads to less time filled by Trump.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
44. While I agree that more Democratic debates should have been scheduled, most of
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

Trump's coverage is happening outside of the republican debates, not because of them. At least that is my perception.

I understand the point being made, I just don't agree that Trump has been "elevated" because of the lack of Democratic debates.


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
48. So what? There's nothing filling the void, so they talk about Trump.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:08 PM
Dec 2015
Trump's coverage is happening outside of the republican debates, not because of them.

The point is there is a void, and it's being filled by Trump. That has zero to do with the Republican debates. He's controversial and he gets eyeballs. A Republican debate is not required for that.

With the media refusing to cover a Democrat not named Clinton, and the lack of Democratic debates to build drama, the media has to fill airtime somehow. They are filling it with Trump, whether or not he is in a debate.

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
25. If they did, they deserve our appreciation...
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:04 AM
Dec 2015

...to hang an anchor like Trump on the Republicans is a brilliant tactic.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
28. The lack of Democratic debates is not what is elevating Trump. It is republicans who are elevating
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

Trump, or Cruz or Rubio.

To blame that on the DNC makes no sense at all.

What O'Malley can argue, is that the lack of Democratic debates are not providing him a chance to get his message out to Democrats.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
34. The lack of Democratic debates is a disservice to the Democrats trying to decide who is the best
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:09 AM
Dec 2015

candidate on the issues. I don't believe the lack of Democratic debates elevate Trump though.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. Delaying the start of them did.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 07:26 AM
Dec 2015

The paucity of debates is a disservice to voters, to Sanders and O'Malley and to the supporters of Sanders and O'Malley. In that it also left the field clear for Republicans so long, and deprives candidates of free air time, it disserves the entire Democratic Party...with the possible exception of the candidate who requested only four debates.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
39. Probably, but that can be viewed as an argument for more debates so they get motivated.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 11:57 AM
Dec 2015

At this point it is most likely an academic exercise because I do not believe that they are going to add more debates to the schedule.

It is what it is

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
49. Both the RNC and The DNC are crapping on democracy. It's just one is more pungent than the other. nt
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:16 PM
Dec 2015
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