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snot

(10,538 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:17 PM Dec 2015

Some Thoughts Re- the NGP VAN Firewall "Breach"

The Sanders campaign had reported breakdowns in the NGP VAN firewalls to the DNC before, knowing that their campaign data could be accessed just as easily (see http://www.mediaite.com/online/dnc-gets-involved-after-sanders-staffer-fired-for-accessing-clinton-voter-data/ ). Did Hillary's campaign ever report such problems, or did they just not notice, or ...?

"NGP VAN? We’ve all heard of that company before! Because that’s the company hosting the website for the South Dakota sacrificial lamb Democrat challenger to Congresswoman Kristi Noem, Paula Hawks. And through their generosity, we all knew she was running long before she was prepared to make an announcement..." (see http://dakotawarcollege.com/hawks-website-host-who-leaked-announcement-now-blamed-for-clintonsanders-data-breach/ for more).

"The DNC hires a group to manage their database and firewall between the campaigns. They screw up and [a] Sanders staffer sees and reports it. Nothing is saved or printed out and now the DNC is withholding crucial access to voter data until the Sanders campaign can prove it doesn’t have the data from the Clinton campaign and won’t release access to voter data unless somehow the Sanders campaign can prove a negative – that they have destroyed data they don’t have. Which is impossible.” (http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/ )

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Some Thoughts Re- the NGP VAN Firewall "Breach" (Original Post) snot Dec 2015 OP
These endless conspiracies don't help your candidate,if anything,they sufrommich Dec 2015 #1
No: it demonstrates just how biased DWS is. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #2
Jesus. Stew away . Once you're reduced to the "cunning stunt" sufrommich Dec 2015 #3
Oh, you are right: that particular combination has become tainted. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #7
If I recall the recent long term poster who was banned for that survived a jury too. n/t JTFrog Dec 2015 #16
Exactly, did DWS fire the vendor worker? And here's an interesting tidbit of history: ViseGrip Dec 2015 #5
Do you realize a long time DUer was banned from this site... MohRokTah Dec 2015 #10
I was referring to her actions, not the person DWS. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #11
Same exact words used by the banned DUer when using that phrase. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #12
"cunning stunt"? Not that clever. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #17
I seldom swear. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #19
So much hate. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #24
Endless conspiracies? cilla4progress Dec 2015 #6
I am seeing a lot of Hillary supporters pushing conspiracy theories today Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #18
I don't understand how one campaign would have access to anothers' info without snot Dec 2015 #4
The vendor hired by DWS left the firewall down during a 'maintenance'. Both candidates exposed ViseGrip Dec 2015 #8
The entire system should've been taken offline.. frylock Dec 2015 #23
But only one campaign, apparently, downloaded material. Per the CNN link, above. nt MADem Dec 2015 #31
They were both exposed. Only one chose to steal. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #25
Four users were "in the system" during that period, all from the Sanders campaign. nt MADem Dec 2015 #26
Yes MoonRiver Dec 2015 #28
This thread is about 6 hours ahead of its time FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #9
Thanks, FlatBaroque! snot Dec 2015 #14
Anytime FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #15
We can only hope that this will be the case. GoneOffShore Dec 2015 #29
TRO! snot Dec 2015 #13
Per CNN, NGP itself told the DNC, "ALL users on the system across Democratic campaigns . . . snot Dec 2015 #20
But Sanders staffers DOWNLOADED material. You need to keep reading your own link. MADem Dec 2015 #30
DNC is throwing caca UglyGreed Dec 2015 #21
Agreed; besmirching themselves and the system. snot Dec 2015 #22
This isn't really about "politicians"--it's about four campaign workers. MADem Dec 2015 #27

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
1. These endless conspiracies don't help your candidate,if anything,they
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:20 PM
Dec 2015

play into the perception that he's a fringe candidate.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
2. No: it demonstrates just how biased DWS is.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:31 PM
Dec 2015

And she may have overplayed her hand with this latest supposedly clever stunt of hers.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
7. Oh, you are right: that particular combination has become tainted.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

"chicanery" then. "Dirty tricks". However you phrase it: DWS is overplaying her hand. And her game was rigged and ugly to begin with.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
5. Exactly, did DWS fire the vendor worker? And here's an interesting tidbit of history:
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:39 PM
Dec 2015

the party's vendor opened the door, just like in Florida's governor's race in 2002 when Jeb Bush got the McBride race info, and sent an email to all the dem supporters of McBride saying 'hello from Jeb!'. A complaint was filed and the campaign was told, the software vendor made an error during an update leaving the firewall down. They said it was our party's fault. Case closed. Now, after all of these years, why has DWS not found a worker YET who can safely work the NGP software??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
And blame Bernie?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Do you realize a long time DUer was banned from this site...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:44 PM
Dec 2015

For using that term when talking about a female Democrat?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
11. I was referring to her actions, not the person DWS.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:46 PM
Dec 2015

But I realise the two-word combination has become tainted. I'll use "dirty tricks" or "game-rigging" in the future.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
19. I seldom swear.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:00 PM
Dec 2015

And I have been made aware of past implications of these this particular two-word combination. I'll use "dirty tricks" or "game-rigging" in the future. DWS is disgusting enough that there is a whole string of ways to express indigation about her actions. "stunt" will be avoided in future responses.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
18. I am seeing a lot of Hillary supporters pushing conspiracy theories today
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:00 PM
Dec 2015

There are all kinds of claims being floated that the Bernie Sanders campaign was involved in a conspiracy to steal data from the Hillary campaign. It is quite ironic that you accuse the OP of being a conspiracy theorist while Hillary supporters are accusing the Bernie campaign of a conspiracy.

snot

(10,538 posts)
4. I don't understand how one campaign would have access to anothers' info without
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:37 PM
Dec 2015

that access working both ways. If that was the case, why?

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251909741 .

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
8. The vendor hired by DWS left the firewall down during a 'maintenance'. Both candidates exposed
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:41 PM
Dec 2015

This is the fault of the party and who THEY hired to do the software maintenance during the campaigns! If they want to punish Bernie, who's campaign did NOTHING wrong, don't look for voters, outside of her personal candidate. That translates into don't look for a win.

DWS is E V I L.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
23. The entire system should've been taken offline..
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015

and the "maintenance" should be performed during off-peak hours to ensure minimal downtime for their clients.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
9. This thread is about 6 hours ahead of its time
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:43 PM
Dec 2015

Don't worry, everyone will be reaching these conclusions in due time. This will backfire on Team Clinton.

snot

(10,538 posts)
13. TRO!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:50 PM
Dec 2015

The NGP's CEO's claim that this was a "brief, isolated incident"directly contradicts the Sanders camp's contention that they'd reported the firewall breakdown before. Given that NGP had to be informed of the latest breakdown by the Sanders camp, among other reasons, I think I prefer the Sanders version.

Could Sanders seek a TRO suspending ALL the candidates' access to the VAN, until the integrity of the system has been established?

A software expert might be able to discredit the plausibility of the NGP CEO's claims that the incident was isolated and that ONLY the Sanders camp could have benefitted from the breakdown. And staffers who were aware of prior breakdowns and their reports to NGP could testify to those.

snot

(10,538 posts)
20. Per CNN, NGP itself told the DNC, "ALL users on the system across Democratic campaigns . . .
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015
According to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda, the data systems vendor, NGP-VAN, alerted the DNC about the issue Wednesday.

He said "all users on the system across Democratic campaigns were inadvertently able to access some data belonging to other campaigns for a brief window."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. But Sanders staffers DOWNLOADED material. You need to keep reading your own link.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:35 PM
Dec 2015
"That is the only way that we can make sure that we can protect our significant asset that is the voter file and its integrity," Wasserman Schultz said on CNN.

She said "multiple staffers" from the Sanders campaign downloaded information that they did not have the right to collect.

"They not only viewed it, but they exported it and they downloaded it," Wasserman Schultz told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "We don't know the depth of what they actually viewed and downloaded. We have to make sure that they did not manipulate the information."

She added, "That is just like if you walked into someone's home when the door was unlocked and took things that don't belong to you in order to use them for your own benefit. That's inappropriate. Unacceptable."

snot

(10,538 posts)
22. Agreed; besmirching themselves and the system.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:04 PM
Dec 2015

This incident will be used to claim all politicians are equally untrustworthy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. This isn't really about "politicians"--it's about four campaign workers.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:03 PM
Dec 2015

One of them has been fired. They're investigating to see if anything was copied, and presumably to see if they can figure out who the other three are...?

I can't imagine Sanders, Clinton OR O'Malley digging around in an opponent's details. I suspect none of them are sufficiently tech-savvy to do such a thing, and I don't think they'd compromise their integrity even if they were tech-savvy.

I can imagine staffers with an "anything to win" mentality doing just that, though--who wouldn't want to take their ill-paid "temp job," in essence, and turn it into a well paid, government salaried, PERMANENT one (for four to eight years, at any rate--and the smart worker transitions to GS at the six year mark). The temptations are enormous--it's a grab at the brass ring. People will compromise themselves.

An investigation will sort it out--it can't take all that long, I'm sure.

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