Doesn't matter if you want to reason with them or not.

and yeah the DNC is pretty incompetent.

I'm just really irritated with the Democratic party right now.

It's called personal responsibility.

His supporters still love him and they still want him to win. If the DNC looks like they are helping Hillary then it will be bad for the party if she wins the nomination.

We have been written off, and over looked in every way that matters. Continue, please...you will lose. We've had enough of the bullies and nonsense from the third way. We're done! We will not vote for Hills...good luck with that!

"take my ball and go home" crowd might have a sad?

30% of the party doesn't get to hold te rest hostage by force of sheer childish petulance.

My view is clear; you vote for the Democrat. I'll vote for whichever person wins the nomination, data breach or not. I can't be bothered by people who are too busy holding their breath until they turn blue to do the right thing.

they are hypocritically exclaiming no culpability on Sanders part....but you can bet if the shoe were on the other foot....they would be exclaiming that SHE pretended to be all four accounts and downloaded them all herself!

if it was a Hillary staffer and EVERYBODY knows it!

It would have been on her orders that her staff looked at it. Described as deliberate and not accidental.

What if this was the headline from the AP:

Is the one that commited a crime here....DELUSIONAL

The level of delusional thinking being displayed is really something.

If a Clinton staffer got a list of Sanders' donors because of buggy DNC software, I wouldn't be angry at the Clinton staffer (I'm a Sanders supporter).

did these 4 people commit this criminal act or not?

Can you prove any one on the Clinton team downloaded or saved anything?

...and gave the Clinton campaign the ability to download a list of Sanders' donors.

I'm saying that if it did, the problem is the fault of the vendor, and I wouldn't be mad at a Clinton staffer who downloaded that.

Its specious at best...

But now we KNOW Team Sanders....integrity....not so much!

I just wrote that if the situation were reversed, I wouldn't be outraged at a Clinton staffer.

"I know you are but what am I"......you just are "sure" Team Clinton MUST have done this too....which makes it okay in your book!

You damn skippy YOU would be outraged at the candidate...and want heads on pikes!

You blame the bug.

then it isn't that important.

The campaign acknowledged it ... before doing their Flip Wilson impression.

I doubt anything really horrible was done. And even if it was, I don't really care so long as Bernie was not involved.

Horrible is relative. A quick peek at the opponent's play book, isn't horrible; but, still unethical.

I think Camp Bernie misplayed this. Better to cope to it, own it, take your lumps and move on ... stomping your feet and making noise, doesn't speed your access to the system.

One is the unethical behavior of the staffers who looked at the Clinton campaign's data. The Sanders' campaign has said that this was improper and they have fired a top staff member. The other issue is the DNC response of shutting Sanders off from his data. The stomping your feet and making noise was about that, and was warranted.

Nixon wished you were around in his day!

Edit: Nevermind. Looks like its gone. This situation is making my head spin.

Then it might rate entertainment value.

Bernie's campaign manager had not thrown such a shit fit in his presser. It's certainly fair to question the competence of the DNC but blaming a DNC conspiracy for the misconduct of Bernie's staffers is a bit much.

You REALLY don't think they took advantage of the firewall flub?
Oh wait, they didn't need to as the whole thing is run by HRC allies.

Oh, wait. They already did that.

...that is your argument? What you are saying is that because the data Was accessible, but back door methods, that meant their MOU meant nothing and they had rights to download? What a bunch of baloney.

"Oh looked ... there's a nice cliff, let's jump off because they might have jumped off ... The fact they aren't dashed on the rocks below, PROVES we can do it."

does that mean it is fair game for you to climb in and drive it home?

and that is certainly no conspiracy.

As it stands, there is mere outrage that Bernie campaign can't access their database, because NO ONE thought to make a backup?

No, she would cover it up because that's what corrupt people do.

you and a couple of other Bernie supporters on DU are spreading this conspiracy and have absolutely nothing to show for it. Independent auditors agreeable to Sander camp is being used and there is one other candidate that had the most to gain for tapping into Clinton and Sanders files...yet only Clinton garners your crudely phrased conspiracies. Jusy stop and think for a change...you may even garner a little credibility

it sticks out because of the high pedestal supporters put him on. It's a long fall.

for having 4 employees download info, and claim that they were just "holding it" to prove a point about security....

campaign.

Doubtful. Especially since this is not the first time the firewalls were disappeared.

The DNC under DWS prior to HRC's campaign for POTUS was already known to play favorites and not support non-corporate candidates.

You do realize that all things are logged on the servers right?

four (?) Sanders folks accessed the HRC database.

Subsequently the Sanders campaign self-reported the open access problem to DNC.

The Sanders campaign reportedly already reported similar open access problems.

I have not heard that any review of the logs except for Sanders folks checking on Clinton proprietary databases.

Have the databases for Sanders, O'Malley, and other candidates been reviewed for security breaches?

AGN VAN, the database vendor and manager, reportedly has a long history with both Clintons.

How are we not to know if there was a backdoor installed or information passed from the DNC (or an obviously biased DNC) to the Clinton campaign?

The timing on a Friday the day before a Saturday debate of Christmas and New Years week makes this look like a planned ratfuck to harm Sanders.

What it does is harm the Democratic Party and IMHO DWS and the DNC are most to blame in hiring the vendor, supervising the vendor, going to the media, and how they decided to punish the Sanders campaign.

Rather than address the problem in house (within the Democratic Party and DNC), DWS made the decision to go public and harmed the Democratic Party and the Democratic candidate for POTUS.

Something is seriously wrong and DWS should be out and the DNC reformatted because of the blatant favoritism.

DWS and the DNC were more interested in harming Sanders than the good of the Party.

I do not expect Hillary Clinton to defuse the situation and I am free to speculate that the situation is a ratfuck from within the Clinton campaign.

LOL at you. The game is rigged.

The story wouldn't have been leaked to the press.

Oh, and Hillary wouldn't have been locked out of her own data.


There, that was pretty easy to imagine.

Bernie fired the staffer and will fire more if warranted. That shouldn't mean his campaign data should be held hostage by the DNC. Actually, this is the first time I ever knew the DNC held any campaign's data. That seems somewhat odd in the first place. Adding to the mix is the fact they reportedly did a half assed job of protecting campaign data for any of the candidates since there was a previous issue (reported by the Sanders campaign) in October.

Yes, he fired the staffer and I'm sure he will fire more if warranted. Also, I'm sure he will make sure that whatever data was downloaded will be deleted. At that point, the DNC will restore his campaign's access. This will be resolved.

True, it wasn't Bernie himself who did the deed, but his campaign is responsible for acts done on their behalf by employees. This isn't the first time that an organization has an employee behaving badly. Just delete the data, everything will be fine.

I can hardly imagine how you think this is the DNC's fault.

I am saying the DNC has no right to hold Bernie's campaign information hostage. It seems like a direct attempt to sabotage the campaign so the anointed one can be installed as planned.

it would be further evidence of Hillary's "corruption."

...you are right, of course. We Sanders supporters would be outraged by and large, and much mistrust would be expressed towards Clinton and her campaign. Very similar to what we are seeing in the other direction. It is human nature.

However, I will say that the DNC and their vendor have failed to uphold even moderate standards of data protection. The breach supposedly occurred while the vendor was applying a patch, and had to open up the software to apply the patch. But if you must open the software to apply the patch, then you shut down the system for the duration of applying the patch -- take it down and off the network until the patch is applied, then start it up again. Who made the decision that it was okay to keep running while each campaign's private data was available to its rivals? Were they just hoping that no one would notice?

I sure wish the software vendor had done their job better. I also wish the data director had stopped at the first sign of the breach and reported it, rather than digging and digging. Since he did keep digging, people will make assumptions about why. Again, that is human nature, and if the shoe were on the other foot we Bernie supporters would be doing the same, IMO.

On the other hand, the suit asking for an injunction rests solely on the terms of the campaign's contract with the DNC, and it appears that the DNC is in breach of that contract. So hopefully Bernie's campaign will have their access restored quickly.

less than shocked.

given the nuclear explosion of outrage that would be erupting here.

that a Clinton staffer hasn't downloaded Bernie's info?
Just sayin'.

campaign.

Imagine if Hillary's "staffers" had been Stupid enough to do the same thing.

After all, they denied that even an email scandal with actual importance was "nothing".

would NOT have been running off gleefully to the media. Even more importantly, we simply we would not have heard about it. It would have been handled in-house if any action was taken at all. Given that no action was taken when the Sanders campaign reported concerns about Internet security breaches in October - I would guess that is what would have happened.