of a large pile of stink.

Here's a good tip from a FB poster

"Regarding phone calls to the DNC, call their cash donation line instead. That number is 877-336-7200. Calling this number forces live staff to deal with you, and keeps them from getting a donation call at the same time. You can use the call to tell them why you are refusing to donate. Let them know that you won't donate another dime until they get rid of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as DNC chair. They will take notes. They guy who took my message even seemed embarrassed and seemed to agree.

Call now, operators standing by."

Thanks for posting the DNC's donation number. I had tried calling the Dnc's main number and the numbers for DWS in D.C. and Florida, but could not get through.

I did get through to the message box for the DNC donation number and informed them that as a life-long democrat, I would never contribute to the DNC so long as DWS remains as chair, she is both incompetent and corrupt.

Bring on Tulsi Gabbard as DNC chair!

"Stu Trevelyan, CEO of NGP VAN, said in the company’s 19-year history, they have not had a problem with security and privacy of their customers’ data as it is their "top priority."

“The one area that was impacted was voter file data," Trevelyan said in a statement obtained by ABC News. "We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns. NGP VAN is providing a thorough report to the DNC on what happened and conducting a review to ensure the integrity of the system."

"We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to. And determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access," Trevelyan said."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dnc-data-breach-happened-means-bernie-sanders-campaign/story?id=35841222

And that security hole is still not fixed.

So all their fluffy "we care about security!" statements are meaningless. They didn't fix a gaping hole for at least 3 months after they were alerted to the hole.

prohibited information in flagrant violation of agreements it will be the vendors fault not the Bernie Sanders campaign. Where's you moral compass? or logic?

But this exact same hole was reported in October. And it's obviously still there.

It bad for that Sanders staffer to use the hole, and it's extremely bad that the vendor has not fixed the hole. Especially in an "industry" that is entirely built around storing personal data.

The Sanders staffer is not the only one who needs to be fired. The vendor must be fired for incompetence.

Why would he do that if he intended to use the breach to access data he had no right to see?

And it also meant his own data was vulnerable, yet he didn't seem worried enough about that to go to the press and start screaming "FIRE".

Wasserman and NPG VAN both proved they are incompetent by mot getting this security issue fixed the first time. Sanders showed integrity by reporting it instead of exploiting it.

But then I realize your perspective is based on your personal bias...as you will say mine is.

I suggest you read them and familiarize yourself with the issues at hand. I have, and added the information to the CS I studied in college and my self-education since then, and can only come to two conclusions: The vendor is incompetent, helping Hillary with this issue ( allowing Clinton campaign access to other campaigns data) and / or both.
Moral compass has nothing to do with it. The Sanders campaign reported the flaw, and it was not addressed. They fired the responsible party ( politically necessary, if not outright wrong), The DNC dropped the sanctions under threat of lawsuit. IMHO, discovery in that case would reveal dirty dealings both the DNC and the Clinton campaign would prefer to keep under wraps. No other explanation makes sense.

We do know that there's an allegation stating such. Do you believe all of the allegations in this situation - even the ones which are contradictory?

Or can we trust them when say they downloaded data, but can't trust the same people when they say they alerted the vendor to the security hole?

I don't jump to conclusions.

That said, a statement from one of the culpable parties is actually evidential - and has no bearing on what others allege.

The answer is the same to both questions, because the same evidence has been supplied.

So, while not jumping to conclusions, you jumped to a conclusion.

We can conclude who is whom, because one has admitted to downloading data.

That's not jumping to conclusions. That's reaching a conclusion based on the evidence at hand.

There's nothing fallacious in my argument.

This is sophistry:

Anyone who understands application and server maintenance knows that the vendor's "security" definitions are odorous and screams incompetence.

There are a lot of terms being thrown around inaccurately. The data was pulled up in searches and those searches were saved in the system itself.

There is sooo much wrong with this story that is not being discussed. Why did **anyone** have access to the system during the maintenance work in the first place? It is so simple to isolate access (by IP, change a file name, all kinds of ways). You divert access, patch, then you don't release the application until you have TESTED that everything is ok, especially when someone reported the issue before. That is STANDARD operating procedure for a situation like this.

This is all so sloppy and against NIST security standards it is hard to believe.

and the guy that Bernie fired said he copied stuff.

Anyone that performs a software fix on a database while users are logged on and accessing it- either did it intentionally or is extremely incompetent.

This thread hit's on a very serious point...

The DNC just lost the trust of the American people!

It's still sinking in and I'm getting madder and madder.

Our party just told the world we can not be trusted with their data.

How many people are going to be afraid to sign up as a Democrat because of this?

Damn.

Stu is the accountable Party. His is the company that failed. You do nothing but quote his own favorable view of himself. Of course he's spinning his fuck up to be a rare and special fuck up. His company is now famous for fucking up.

Got anyone who is not responsible for the fuck up saying good things about Stu and company? Because that would be far more credible.

(words I never thought I would write.)

LOL at NGP VAN's taking the hit for Hillary, then jumping to minimize the damage.

"Yes, security is our top priority. We brook no security breaches, unless we are devising a honeypot to benefit Clinton's campaign."

everything is safe and secure. Well, except that one time......................

TOTALLY INCOMPETENT
and Complicit

It wasn't a bug, it was a feature. And you're right, it will make Hillary look even more corrupt.

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

Nothing to see here!

nt

Hillary may have plausible deniability here but someone down the line is crooked as a fucking corkscrew.

was hired in September. He has also been involved in politics for several years-

as he has emerged as a competitor to HRC. This has meant that he has had to hire a lot of people who do not have a long term commitment to him. It also means that he likely has had to hire small companies that do various campaign activities for the clients who hire them.

Clinton, on the other hand, has a huge group of people who have worked for either her or her husband over the decades. In addition, any top person that was approached about working on her campaign would know that it could relatively easily lead to a job in the White House - or at least a "win" on their resume.

Something really big.

She chose not to.

much the ONLY ones who will keep her in her position as DNC chair.

or seriously believed this was the best course and wouldn't blow up in her face. I'm not sure which is worse.

He really dug a deeper hole.

and collecting lots of personal data.

The DNC will be hurt by this far more than the guy who will probably get hired to run security audits in the private sector.

Also, how come the DNC didn't go to the press when this first happened in October?

And October was a trial run and they were caught. I don't know what day he was hired but their Data Admin (the guy that was fired) looks highly suspicious to me.

You know, if this has happened on more than one occasion, I wonder how many on HRC's campaign has gleaned data from Sander's files? Good thing the DNC locked Sander's campaign out, they might have been able to get to the bottom of what happened, now whoever was at the root of this mess has all the opportunity in this world to destroy the log files.

Oh, excuse me. I meant to say- somehow lose the log files.

I hoped someone might take the bait, but your posts are beyond my wildest expectations!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251911417#post12

Happy holidays... if the PTB allow it, of course.

If it would have been Hillary's star that did this, all the radical supporters of Bernie's would be out for blood, irate as hell over what happened. They would make a "HUGE" deal out of it using it to prove just how low and dishonest Hillary is, even if it was only some staffers that did it on their own, and i think you know that.

I am an O'Malley supporter, but this double standard bullshit from some of the Bernie radicals is just plain stupid. Sure you might get the loyal base to send in money by playing the victim card once again, but Bernie's team screwed up, big time and Bernie should have come out and admitted it, said they would be fired, and that he was willing to help prove that anything that was download was deleted. This whole thing is a big screw up by whoever is giving him advice.

By going to the press, the DNC announced they can not be trusted with personal data. Large security holes will remain open for months on-end.

The vendor trusted with the data claimed it was only open briefly, and then claimed it was exploited for over 40 minutes. They claimed data can not be saved, and then claimed data was saved.

That has nothing to do with which candidate is involved, and will last beyond this election.

O'malley supporter my patootie.

I love good irony.

She has the corporate $ and that's all she and DWS need.

"Chairs of the event paid or raised at least $100,000.

It came just hours after Hillary Clinton joined her daughter Chelsea for a separate event at the Sheraton Hotel, featuring 600 guests (including 150 children) who paid between $250 and $2700."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251908067

Dead Skunk in the middle of road.

this single incident; which surprise surprise greatly helps your old boss smear a political rival. If your flawless record is any indication of your skill.
If your flawless skills made you so vital to a heavily invested interest, one with a great deal of experience with internet scandals.

You fucking did it on purpose.

The "old boss" is still the owner, and goes back to the 1992 Bill Clinton campaign.

The current CEO was the CTO of Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign.

And that the DNC announcing they use incompetent vendors to hold personal data will not disappear after this election, right?

The company has been in business for at least 20yrs. The campaign signed contract with DNC which they violated. It went from taking a peek to the download of 25 files of demographic information of Clinton voters in NH past & present. They knew exactly what they wanted. I hope Sanders sues because he lose ,Masteller Vs ECS FEd Inc. the legal ramification if info is used. I suspect most BS people won't be voting in the General Election anyway, they state it here in the petitions that out there circulating.

"The things you do when no one is looking defines you".........we now have a pretty clear picture of his campaign,

And that the DNC will be fundraising and collecting personal data after this election, right?

...You are correct, the DNC did violate the contract they signed with the Sanders campaign. According to the contract, only after a pattern of violations was established, the DNC could notify the campaign and had to allow them 10 days to respond, before they could take further action such as cutting off data access.

That's why DWS / DNC folded at the prospect of going before a judge.

HOW STUPID!

to get really hacked.

...this would not have gotten out in this climate. If you do I got the Brooklyn bridge to sell you .

Nope.

We only know about October because the Sanders campaign revealed today that they reported the problem in October. After DWS went to the press.

They could have handled this situation like October, and not gone to the press. I strongly suspect the Sanders campaign would have quietly fired the guy.

But now the DNC has a vendor and PR problem.

But it would have done before the election. When it would cause the most damage. No doubt about that.

Again, that's why it was stupid for DWS to go to the press - because it hurts everyone involved.

Stuff like that happens all the time

The DNC is hurting the entire Presidential race. Hillary too.

Why trust such incompetence? Everyone is already afraid of identity theft and here the DNC is saying "hey, no big deal. But, Bernie..."

Bull, they just lost the trust of the American people.

That will backfire.

Bottom line.

The prospect of President Trump just became at least slightly more likely after today's stupidity.

It's a bad day for anyone who wants to keep the crazy out of the White House, no matter which candidate you support.

Thanks, DWS.

with a straight face, that they're not the ones who leaked it. You couldn't write stuff like this.

The DNC just said to the nation, "We hire incompetent vendors to store your personal data! Now please give us your credit card information for donations"

much worse: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37542/dnc-chairperson/

one of Bernie's strongest qualities being honest and trustworthy. Didn't work out for little Debbie.