The very few liberals who even know about this still aren't going to vote for Trump/Cruz/Rubio etc.

Take a few deep breaths. Let's all remain calm.

...the liberals will not vote for HRC because it smells like the DNC, DWS and HRC are in it together to hurt Bernie. HRC needs us liberals to defeat the Repukes. She must have our votes.

Thanks to DWS, IMO, a lot of us FDR Dems may stay home or pass the vote for POTUS. That is as much win for tRump, et al., as voting for them.

JMHO

with thurd way bullshit

There is no way to pick up this piece of shit on the good end.

Its obvious ............ if the very few liberals you know then most of your friends are Conservative.

Gee...never thought of it that way.

read your stuff again.

This is why I mostly stay out of GDP. Everyone on either side is bound to get singed from time to time.

You are implying that poster said "The very few liberals I know".

I've read it multiple times.

did not say what he implied. IMO.

we should have made long ago.

...that is a stomach turner. The only intelligent choice -- Repuke or Dem -- is Bernie. Hillary is more of the same...and, frankly, I have had enough of that shit.

JMHO

I see no reason to be calm. The middle class has been screwed over by both the Repukes and the Third Way Dems far long enough. If you have not had enough, fine...but some of us have.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

I keep looking for change...and it has never happened! Now with Bernie, a chance for REAL change and they just had to try and stop him.

Gads, so disgusting!

Time to revolt!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

that independents might hear of this and be influence just a little?

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meaningful only to political junkies. The average voter won't really tune in until after the primaries.

of it happening.

I have to disagree.

issue, the debates, etc.

Before today only people like myself and some other tuned in folks understood, now anybody who pays attention even a little bit is going to see what is going on and Hillary will pay the price for it, which is a fucking disaster if she is the nominee.

There was NO reason to make this public and NO reason to PUNISH one of the candidates of OUR party...

God dammit

Everything gets out these days.

wow...i think i might give up

She did not go to the press when the same problem was reported in October. She did not have to go to the press this time either. Instead, she decided to make this a public battle.

And apparently, it never occurred to her that announcing the DNC hires incompetent vendors to handle your personal data would be a bad thing. Surely that will have no effect on the willingness of people to hand over their credit card information for donations.

Or that fighting this battle in public may depress turnout if her favored candidate becomes the nominee.

you are definitely in the grove with your observations today

you must of had a good diamond in your turn table once a long time ago
because your messages are in the grove.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

and ardent Clinton supporters, who just happen to be vendors.


Peace

I'd bet a nickle the old saw about all press coverage is good might come in handy here, especially as the blow back plays out in Sanders' favor.

It's been interesting, though, watching this unfold.

DFA, MoveOn, The Christian Science Monitor, The Guardian, all these entities are trustworthy sources and all of them are calling out the DNC for obvious partisanship AND dirty tricks.

Me? I just donated another $10.00 to the Sanders campaign and will host the Debate Party on Saturday (for Sanders supporters only). Should make for lively conversation.

Seriously - you know that, right?

to anyone who bets that Hillary Clinton is not going to be the next president.

Well, I don't even value HER that much!

if you are as astute the participator in all this you say you are.

Right?

It is how she and her connection to the DNC and DWS will be PERCEIVED by those who always decide who the prez is, the undecided non committed voters.

The only people who care are campaign partisans, political junkies and pundits looking for a story to comment on.

by BOTH groups.

Jesus.

My whole point was to make it clear how THE REST OF THE COUNTRY sees this, and I try to help and i get blocked, un god damn believable

...I got blocked from the Bernie group after posting his campaign schedule.

Yeah right.....Team Socialist sure stepped in doo doo this time...

SBS's campaign did the right thing and canned his ass (they should also tell him to shut up). Hopefully the investigation will go quickly, and the campaign can get their access back.

I'm not sure how you think the was not going to get out, one way or the other.

connected at the hip.

It makes it look like DWS is purposely trying to harm Bernie's campaign.

It looks and smells terrible and the one thing I pray to god we could agree on is even if it did happen the way DWS says it happened they should have done all this behind closed doors and NOT taken away his access to HIS VOTERS


Please tell me you understand this.

ps

I love you too...

Also, I if i dont say what I am saying here, then I am not the person I say I am on this site and elsewhere.

I have said from day one that getting ANY dem in the WH is more important to me than anything, so what I am saying here is consistent with that. I see this harming Hillary tremendously if she doesnt fix it.

Even from his supporters..

This is not Clintons problem to fix....

Perhaps Sanders should just throw in the damn towel....i guess DWS should have let this criminal behavior slide .....you know to help team Hillary...by your convoluted theory...

I've read him for a long time, and unless I'm totally being played, you'll not find a truer guy on this board.

Wait, I'm assuming he's a guy! I never looked!

... she is looking out for HRC's interests, but I think we all knew that was going to happen going in. It's the nature of the beast. You should have seen me yelling at my TV whenever she was on back in '08. I think half the reason I'm on BP meds now is because of that campaign.

He'll get his access back, and I think rather quickly. I'm guessing before Monday. How quick depends a lot on how his campaign reacts, and so far, that's been a bit dicey. The immediate firing was perfect.

Where you and I may differ is that I don't think anyone wanted this, not even DWS. This helps noone, and shows the Committee and Democrats in general in a bad light. But something this big was never going to be kept under wraps. It's just too much.

It's also very bizarre that you are getting these responses from both HRC and SBS supporters. Your comments, which I believe are right on point, should be of concern to ALL DEMOCRATS.

Does no one read an entire post anymore? There seems to be a lot of knee jerk reactions.

groups , I will recommend this for your entertainment (but thanks sincerely)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

I'm laughing my ass off.

Sorry. (not)

Dem party takes the WH or not, just want Bernie or bust, right?

This must be fucking HILARIOUS to you!

her coronation committee.

JMHO

Incompetent/shady people for his staff.

This is not the fault of the DNC or DWS!

Never mind, forget it.

If all anybody at DU cares about is how people at DU see an issue, then I am wasting my time telling you how the rest of the god damn country sees it, you know, the ones who VOTE!

BTW, I am one of a very few persons on DU who will not criticize either candidate beyond basic mainstream stuff and always done in a positive way, and I am BLOCKED from BOTH the Bernie and Hillary groups.

So it is clear that most people on both sides have NO desire to work together...some here do, but not most, obviously'

too bad



No I dont pretend to know how everyone else sees it, I just know how every caller to Sirius progressive channel sees it and most of the people I have talked to

When the other side is burying a knife in your back 24/7

I will work to prevent voter obstruction and I will talk about that anytime anyone allows it, but at this point having now been barred by BOTH the Bernie and Hillary groups, I am done here as to this election.


And now for your amusement

... The Sanders campaign fired this senior campaign person for wrongdoing right? If he didn't do it, why did they fire him? The obvious answer is they believe he did something wrong.

That being the case, why is this DWS and the DNCs fault?

electing ANY dem to the WH.

To that end what you do NOT do is make BOTH of your candidates look bad by calling one of them unethical and showing clearly the other is connected at the hip to the party chair.

You dont do that when you absolutely could handle it in a way where we arent talking about it, at all.

That is what DWS does if the party as a whole is all that matters.

Seems to matter more to me than her.

And now for my passion and care about the party I have been blocked by BOTH the Bernie and Hillary rooms here at DU.

Most people have other things to do.

that this will bleed the Democratic Party to death.

It's now after 5 PM, which means that nothing is likely to change over the weekend, so I expect this to dominate the third, and final for the year, debate.

Whatevs.

At least we can glean this: A gaggle of posters who've previously proclaimed they're not voting for Clinton are not voting for Clinton.

That's helpful, I guess.

that was my 1st thought. Liberal radio has been off the airwaves in this area for a very long time.