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2016 Postmortem

Godhumor

(6,437 posts) Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:02 PM Dec 2015

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This is just a clusterfuck all the way around

Nobody is coming out of this looking good.

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This is just a clusterfuck all the way around (Original Post) Godhumor Dec 2015 OP

I just can't imagine why they thought we would stand for it. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #1

Hillary announced she was running upaloopa Dec 2015 #2

If she had it in the bag like that she wouldn't be resorting to dirty tricks. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #3

Excuse me? workinclasszero Dec 2015 #7

You heard me. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #8

Don't really think this is something, on either side bigwillq Dec 2015 #4

I agree, but today was handled poorly by all involved Godhumor Dec 2015 #5

I can agree with that (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #6

Agreed. The wells are being poisoned and this will take a long Purveyor Dec 2015 #9

So how much of our data was exposed between campaigns or outside the campaigns? nc4bo Dec 2015 #10

Her team was in charge of the system Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #11

Of course she/they do Ichingcarpenter. nt nc4bo Dec 2015 #15

Who else had access to the data? panader0 Dec 2015 #13

How negligent to drop firewalls while systems are live. nc4bo Dec 2015 #14

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #12

I think so too but they didn't and now we'll really have nc4bo Dec 2015 #16

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)

1. I just can't imagine why they thought we would stand for it.

Reply to Godhumor (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:03 PM

Dec 2015

"You'll take the candidate we give you and be grateful, you cretins!"

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)

2. Hillary announced she was running

Reply to Jester Messiah (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:06 PM

Dec 2015

Bernie announced he was running

56% want Hillary to be president at this point

28% want Bernie at this point

So I guess it is us who is forcing Hillary on you but then that's democracy for you.

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)

3. If she had it in the bag like that she wouldn't be resorting to dirty tricks.

Reply to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:09 PM

Dec 2015

Or maybe she would be; maybe that's who she is. Regardless, there's going to be a backlash and it's not going to result in President Hillary at the end of it. And she'll have no one but herself to blame.

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

7. Excuse me?

Reply to Jester Messiah (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:13 PM

Dec 2015

It's Bernies plumbers that were stealing Hillary's info.
And Bernie fired one of his staff for it with more on the way possibly.

Your wild accusations have no basis in reality!

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)

8. You heard me.

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:14 PM

Dec 2015

And we'll see who has the basis in reality.

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)

4. Don't really think this is something, on either side

Reply to Godhumor (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:09 PM

Dec 2015

That will determine or influence primary results.
If it is, that's sad.

Bernie has more to offer than this situation. Hillary has more to offer than this situation or her email situation.

I think at the end of the day, this situation will have little bearing on who wins or loses the primary.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)

5. I agree, but today was handled poorly by all involved

Reply to bigwillq (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:12 PM

Dec 2015

Escalating this was just a dumb, dumb thing to happen.

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)

6. I can agree with that (nt)

Reply to Godhumor (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:12 PM

Dec 2015

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)

9. Agreed. The wells are being poisoned and this will take a long

Reply to Godhumor (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:15 PM

Dec 2015

time to correct itself, if ever during this election cycle.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)

10. So how much of our data was exposed between campaigns or outside the campaigns?

Reply to Godhumor (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:28 PM

Dec 2015

Data breach means some sort of your personal information is compromised.

DNC.

DNC Vendor. https://www.ngpvan.com/

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Labor unions, nonprofits, presidential campaigns, and thousands of state and local campaigns.........whatever.

Yet this is how this "data breach" was described. http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

Updating with additional information and clarification:
First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.
Second, there has been independent confirmation that NGP VAN has not received previous notice of a data breach regarding NGP VAN. Josh Uretsky, the former National Data Director for the Sanders campaign confirmed on MSNBC (at 5:47), and also on CNN, regarding the previous incident: “it wasn’t actually within the VAN VoteBuilder system, it was another system.”

What "other" system? So there were even more vulnerablities?

The security and privacy of our customers’ data is a top priority. Over the company’s 19 year history, we’ve not had a problem with that; but on Wednesday, we did have a brief isolated issue for users of one of our products.

First, no NGP data was impacted by this situation, nor any Action ID or FastAction data. No client websites or web site data were impacted, either. For VAN clients, no myMembers, myWorkers, or myCampaigns data was impacted. The one area that was impacted was voter file data. We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns. NGP VAN is providing a thorough report to the DNC on what happened and conducting a review to ensure the integrity of the system.

At the bold; yeah, yall better get right on that.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)

11. Her team was in charge of the system

Reply to nc4bo (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:31 PM

Dec 2015

can't wait for her control of the government.

She has private servers that she must serve.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)

15. Of course she/they do Ichingcarpenter. nt

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:44 PM

Dec 2015

panader0

(25,816 posts)

13. Who else had access to the data?

Reply to nc4bo (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:36 PM

Dec 2015

Just Bernie's team and HRC's team? Or would repub campaigns not also be able to get in there?
HRC and computers----does not compute.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)

14. How negligent to drop firewalls while systems are live.

Reply to panader0 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:43 PM

Dec 2015

I'm not IT but if I suspect my home network or pc is unprotected, I'm disconnecting from the internet until I sort it out.

There was basically more than one breach (and if one were to believe anything the vendor says at this point) but on different systems.

Then this CYA paragraph saying how important $ecurity i$ to their company (and probably the company'$ reputation).

The security and privacy of our customers’ data is a top priority. Over the company’s 19 year history, we’ve not had a problem with that; but on Wednesday, we did have a brief isolated issue for users of one of our products.

But it couldn't have been isolated if there was more than one breach, right?

I'm missing something, right? I'm misunderstanding something here?

WillyT

(72,631 posts)

12. K & R !!!

Reply to Godhumor (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:34 PM

Dec 2015

Should have been handled "in-house".

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)

16. I think so too but they didn't and now we'll really have

Reply to WillyT (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:04 PM

Dec 2015

ourselves an interesting sideshow.

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