I tend to agree.

You usually wouldn't tell someone their door was unlocked if you planned on robbing them!

about someone wandering through it?

It doesn't pass the smell test.

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debate, the day before. this is designed to drill bernie's campaign and make him look like a cheat. Even if he reported it AND THE DNC DIDN'T FIX IT AND WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION OF THAT!!! He will look bad, they hope. DOESN'T MATTER THAT HE ENDED HILLARY'S SLOW BLEED DURING A DEBATE TO HIS OWN DETRIMENT ACCORDING TO SOME! Schultz, her lap dog pulls this. This is going to bite them on the ass.

This isn't going to do a damned thing for Hillary but drive up her negatives because no matter how schultz and the DNC try to spin this, she gets tarred by association too. Schultz didn't even bother to pretend she isn't in the bag for Clinton. Couldn't have been a stupider move if they tried.

I expect Bernie to make a butt load of protest cash over this.

ON MSNBC: The campaign manager of Bernie's campaign is amazing. PISSED. That woman that is interviewing him is such an ass. "Since the relationship between the Sander's campaign and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SO LOW, do you expect to run third party? Is that possible?"

WTF!?

The manager is not going to drop the suit until the behavior of the DNC is investigated. This is not over by a long shot even if the fool Schultz restores the data we paid for and that they stole with this move.

He also says he's getting emails and calls out the wazoo from party leaders and members in support. This will bite DWS in the ass.

like this is my family getting abused. I love Bernie people. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Right before previous debates, she changed her position in Keystone & TPP... so she couldn't get hammered on those issues, and narrow the difference between her and Sanders.

This time she focused on taking down Sanders with this situation which I believe SHE and her minions set up.

The timing is soooo convenient. I didn't think she could disgust me any more than I already was!

It makes us sound as immature as the right!

"get out of jail free" response to any technical mishaps/misdeeds by her or her surrogates.

FAIL.

Tired of right-wingers on Reddit using some silly email scandal as a cudgel to beat her with no matter how lame the accusations are. Seeing liberals support that sort of attack is even worse in my opinion.

Where is the evidence....besides hearsay?

But its what I keep hearing on TV and:

Bullshit...on that theory...

I call bullshit.

He has evidence to support his claim.....what do you have to support yours?

that's the first word that came to
my mind as well.

I think Sanders does need to take this to court.

There are some very bad things possibly going on here, and not from Bernie's team.

The founder of vendor NGP VAN is Nathaniel Pearlman, who was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141292400#post2


He was also in the war room for Bill Clinton:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128083684#post8

and I see there's a nice facebook page in a sibling comment.

If the vendor said "bullshit", then there's no recourse but to hang the wrongdoing on Bernie's folks. Yeah. That's good enough for me!

Just two words. Let's unpack a bit...
Laws were broken.
Verdict rendered.
Bernie orchestrated.
Got it.
And other words...
Such as, No & Evidence.

In this case audit trails....

One already fired....thats the guy making this bullshit claim..

Or 4 accounts?
But my point wassssss.
You have decreed a crime committed, an individual guilty'
and a conspiracy from top to bottom, with just two words at
an early stage in whatever this turns out to be.

That is not in doubt...audit trails...

was responsible for the hole? WHO blew the whistle on it first? Indeed.

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wheres your proof? ho hum nothing to see here. just people who aren't tech savvy

These Clinton supporters want a war then we will give them one. They are making a HUGE mistake. There will be no forgiveness.

apparently Hillary supporters either don't know or don't want anyone to know:

"A similar security breach happened during the 2008 presidential primaries, the complaint said, and ended up transmitting confidential information to another still-prominent candidate: Clinton."

Apparently its a crime for one and not for the other.

Wasserman-Schultz is now on MSNBC now spewing bs. I can't even look at her. This is so fucking undemocratic, to try and throw an election.

She must have the skin of a rhinocerous to withstand the invective coming her way. The Bernie manager is telling how she's a liar and that they are pursuing the EMAILS of the DNC to show bias. GO, BERNIE! Man are they pissed.

Fuck this bullshit setup. Fuck Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Fuck the DNC

Wasserman Schultz was campaign co-chair for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

Nathaniel Pearlman (vendor) was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

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The DNC is responsible for the data breach. The vendor should be fired.

Where is the outrage over the incompetent handling of sensitive data?!

Would we want these people in charge of the NSA??

Aharon Wasserman, VP of the software co., ngpvan, is Debbie Wasserman Schultz's nephew. Son of Keith who is Debbie's brother. Wasserman currently serves as the company's president and chief product officer

If I leave my front door open....is that an invitation to rifle through my panty drawer and take some of them home with you...???

The contention is that the one that opened the door did so to go into the Sanders suite, since the door was open, someone in the suite took a look through in astonishment then took a look around to confirm the door did indeed provide access and reported the open door because when they investigated that door Hillary's suit was fully accessible, as was their own.

Adjoining suites, an open door for three months, and only one of the parties renting a suite reported it, does not sound good when you understand the type of door you are talking about does it?

All the while pointing out that it's your fault they stole from you.

And you leave it open, do you think that you'd have your job? How about if my neighbor had told me for 3months that you had left my front door wide open?

Even worse, what if my neighbor hired you to close my door, but you left it open, and I had no way to close it but telling my neighbor that you had left it open?

I'm free to walk in and take everything that ain't nailed down eh?

Is that the kind of ethical behavior Americans can expect from a Bernie Sanders presidency?

NO SALE!

Not good enough Bernie!

Is that really a winning message?

Apparently SMH

Bernie told her, and she continued to walk around with a bare ass for 2 months. Not only that, the person she hired to dress her left the skirt out and didn't fix it when told, although they said they would fix it after being told - but didn't.

forced to go naked without his consent. And he was the one that asked to have some clothes. Hillary never did.

That door works both ways. All sides had access to all sides.

Where is O'Malley in all this, anyway ... ?

I made no comment on whether she "deserved it," but will run with the metaphore. She did leave herself open after being warned. That goes a LONG way to eliminate outrage over Bernie supposedly stealing information. It calls into question whether the door was left open (or the skirt removed, if you prefer) on purpose.

Any naked woman deserves to be raped? IS that Sanders Logic? He did once write that women dream of being raped!

It was not me who started with the metaphor, and you are taking that metaphor further to defend the indefensible.

If Hillary and the DNC (DWS) left the firewall down after being notified about it months ago, they have no call to complain. They own it. They hired VAN. It seems very much like leaving the firewall down wasn't a bug but a feature.

I am a survivor and I think this is a bullshit analogy...speak to YOUR team next time!

claiming the Bernie Folks rabidly and illegally scavengerized the data. At least check what Your Team is saying...and it's not pretty at all.

My Team is reeling from the accusations after they reported TWICE the problem. And yes, I know about survivorship, as well, it's not pretty and should be condemned, even as a symbol at the political level.

But at the end, I pray we all bury some of these hatchets. The Republicans suck way more than our differences.,

Truce, K?

and called me out for being a peeping tom.

That is what happened in this instance.

...are afraid of Bernie.

JMHO

Your behavior this year has been juvenile. JMHO

And no, no one fears Bernie. He just blew up his ammo dump and is advertising his incompetence to the clear blue sky. If he even makes it to Super Tuesday is in serious question at this point.

Wasserman Schultz has been caught red-handed deliberately sabotaging one candidate's campaign on behalf of another candidate. The DNC is NOT supposed to show ANY favoritism to ANY candidate. This is the end of DWS' chairmanship, and it's going to blow up in Hillary's face BIG time, unless she disavows Wasserman Schultz's actions, and fast.

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I thought not. Toddle along, dear.

She got caught red handed?????

Thats delusional thinking right there.. .how the hell do you figure that...

Don't forget binky.

I dont seem to remember one...

Looks like Team Sanders are going to hand it to her though...

No control or something? Seriously, the innuendo here isn't subtle in the slightest.

Is this like how if I'm working in the back yard but I leave my front door unlocked I'm asking for it? Cause I leave it unlocked since I'm coming in and out for things that I need from that area.

Then, a neighbor tells the landlord about the problem, and he does nothing. Then the neighbor's kids wander in, and the landlord calls the cops.

so he can see how much of your stuff might have been accessible and stolen, and so he can tell maintenance what needs to be fixed.

Especially if the open door was left swinging after the authorities were informed of the problem.

The HRC/DWS-affilliated company seems to have gone out of its way to find some actions that could be called.

If I ran a corporate network (and I have) and I deliberately left some ports open for snooping and data integrity problems, I would have a real problem if a customer found out and told me to close them. And I didn't. This smacks of collusion, just like most of this DNC operation.

And, if they did, why didn't THEY report it to the DNC?

It seems like the other campaigns would have also had access to opposing campaign information to me.

Why wouldn't they report this like the Sanders campaign did?

so weren't periodically watching for it.

Unless you're utilizing the system at the time something like this happens, you're not going to know it happened (unless the company tells you about it after the fact--for example, "Yesterday, at 10:50 am we applied a patch to the system that unfortunately exposed private data for a brief time...&quot

I'm a web developer (not an app developer -- I know there are huge differences) and even though prior to launching a site thorough, critical QA is done, there is almost always going to be issues found by the public that we didn't catch but it may be only one person that finds this bug while others browsing the site at the same time don't. When going to fix this issue, I may, inadvertently, create a new issue no matter how careful I am not to.

What this really tells me about the company that owns the software is that their testing environment is either non-existent or it's not exactly the same as their production environment. This should have been caught in a testing environment before being applied to the production code. Some negligent coder at VAN made this huge error happen.

Seriously. She's 30 points ahead of him according to the last poll I saw. She has no reason to cheat in this manner because obviously, if the polling is any where near correct, the Clinton campaign is doing everything right no matter how much you may dislike it and doing something like this and getting caught would only hurt her campaign.

Also, since she's taking big money donations, she can afford better data than Bernie is able to, so they probably have already purchased polling data on Bernie supporters along with her data that was accessed by Bernie's staff.

You're argument makes no sense when you look at reality.

Reality-based thinking is not happening on this issue.

Even though it's money from we peons of the 99%, I can see why they'd be curious.

so that argument doesn't carry any weight and I still go back to the last poll I saw where HRC is up by 30 points. That's almost the entirety of support for the GOP field running for President combined.

For an evil mastermind, HRC really isn't any good at it because you'd think she'd employ these types of tricks when running (and losing) against President Obama.

23) Upon information and belief, a similar security incident arose with the NGP VAN
software during the 2008 national presidential primaries, resulting in the unintentional
transmission of Confidential Information to the campaign of Democratic primary candidate
Hillary Clinton (the “Prior Incident”).

32) Upon information and belief, no action was taken in response to the Prior Incident
in 2008, nor was any candidate’s access to Voter Data suspended as a result of that Incident.

If they left their data open that long or have had a problem this long with exposing data.

I think they should have their own private servers with their own data. And no, I'm not joking about the private server.

In this context, it's hard not to wonder if maybe this company is doing exactly what the DNC hired them to do.

so another scandal of any kind isn't good for her campaign. I just can't see her campaign being behind this. Sorry, maybe I'm naive about the entire thing but it just seems too risky a proposition for HRC to be involved in.

Now, I could see the DNC and DWS doing something like this but not the HRC campaign.

PS. I'm not a supporter of any candidate yet (though my posts may seem otherwise).

candidates makes sense. Having the DNC preside over the data of both candidates is sort of like having Pete Rose managing both teams in the World Series.

I know they're both Dem candidates and the DNC wants access to their data too but surely a simple program can be built that pushes proprietary data to the correct private servers and then it's the campaign responsible for their own firewalls.

Since the DNC is an arm of the HRC campaign?

Rove has taught you all a lot of smooth moves.

Aharon Wasserman, VP of the software co., ngpvan, is Debbie Wasserman Schultz's nephew. Son of Keith who is Debbie's brother. Wasserman currently serves as the company's president and chief product officer .

The plot thickens .

for our support?

There are companies out there for the sole purpose of collecting the habits of online traffic, including whom you donate to. All one has to do to access this information is buy it.

I'm not following the campaign that closely because I refuse to get pulled into this BS pre-primary crap before I have to but purporting without one shred of evidence that some how HRC is behind this to make Bernie look bad makes Bernie supporters look bad.

Again, I will say that HRC has absolutely no reason to play dirty games with Sanders at this point. It's too early for someone who is up by at 30 points in the last poll I saw.

Opportunity doesn't equal justification.

People can track who's in the system and see what they're doing. That's part of the reason Bernie Sanders staff got caught and can't come up with a legitimate excuse for it or blame anybody else like they usually do.

Bernie Sanders staff got caught poking around Hillary Clintons private information period. There's no conspiracy.

Next.

"I meant to do that."

... To try and explain their mistake?

Their October claims went unheeded.

This is fucked up.

This whole thing has a very rovian feel to it.

The DNC didn't give two shits about it in October, so why do they care now?

Just to prove a point. I would hope Sanders would have handled this with more force, who are the other three accounts and what action is going to be taken and when. It is smart on the part of the DNC to cease access until it can be investigated how much of the databases has been accessed and by who.

Yeah, the saintly, very nice Sanders people apparently were unable to resist the temptation....

BLAME THE DOOR!!!! Sounds like a great message!!!

me .

....many other times)

I can see that Bernie supporters dominate the front page. It almost seems to a new guy that this site should be called BernieUnderground...as anything even remotely construed as negative about Sanders is immediately identified as an underhanded tactic meant to undermine the campaign of Bernie. Most of the vitriol is directed toward Hillary...even though she has been slandered and taken to task through the years much more than Sanders has. If he was viable at all, I can guarantee you that he would not be merely dismissed and a socialist by the Republicans. I agree that if voting were limited to DU, that Bernie could give any candidate a run for the money....but as a ( albeit new) member I find the trashing of Democratic candidates by other Democrats to be reminiscent of the King of the Mountain shit shows that the Republicans trot out every cycle. I agree with a lot of what Bernie says, but I also know that it cannot happen overnight. But his supporters to me seem to be of the same rabid scorched earth variety that Trump attracts on the other side. They deny and excuse events that they would be shouting from the roof tops as TRUTH IMMUTABLE had it occurred in an opponents camp. So Bernie is ok with me, but I really question his followers at times.