But given there were available breaches. we must be certain that they were not taken advantage of by others...that is all.

to know the facts. That has to be the starting point.

But the Sander's campaign is refusing to give permission.

house.

Why not? Satisfies DNC and Clinton that their data is secure and Sanders gets his VAN back and can GOTV. Why is this not a good solution?

lickin' their chops. So, who shall we choose...maybe Cruz? He seems to be the closest.

Or, we could do Kumbaya right now and move on. Both sides have big holes in the story. Could either be no harm no foul, or we're both guilty. Either would work, and carry on.

Yeah, Cruz is probably going to win the REPUBLICAN Primary in Iowa. But we are DEMOCRATS, so we have a different primary and Cruz is not running in that one. Get it? So that is kind of a non-issue right now.

The important thing is to resolve this so that both campaigns get what they need to carry on. Clinton needs assurances that her data has not been stolen. Since it is now evident that it WAS downloaded, and by several sources, so that is reasonable. And Sanders needs his VAN records so he can run his GOTV. Fuck kumbaya, this is real business, and both sides have legitimate issues that need to be addressed. They can do it fast unless Sanders is hiding more dirt.

per Hillary's Company Guys...and Hillary's people are Holding/gawking at/downloading all of the Sanders stuff at present. Don't lecture me with your suppositions. I think this is far deeper...like skewing the Democrats into lawsuits and blame/shame/complain mode. Who wins?

Perhaps that's worth alerting on.

What does Clinton have to do with this breach other than the conspiracy theory that she was behind allowing the Sanders campaign to access her data.

That they have an apparent monopoly on these types of services. Oh, and please don't pull out the CT Crap...it doesn't become you or anyone. It's old and boring and not helpful at all. Thanks in advance.

And it doesn't become anyone to keep repeating them. It's old and boring and not helpful at all.

Conspiracy theories should be posted in Creative Speculation.

Thanks in advance.

" Oh, and please don't pull out the CT Crap...it doesn't become you or anyone. It's old and boring and not helpful at all." If you had read the thread I responded to, and did not rush to post, you might have noticed that the prior post mentioned the "CT" Thingy.

Unless you were, by chance, parroting that post?

It's late.

The majority of rushed posts yesterday were people trying to invent conspiracy theories. I know you don't like to hear the "CT" thingy, but that's all it's been for almost 24 hours now. It really is kind of sad to watch what some supporters have had to put themselves through in order to defend someone they thought was infallable. It's only human nature to lash out. It will get better in time.

Clear conflict of interest. Someone taking a peek because the conflict of interest folk either made mistakes they didn't correct, then in an instant took down the whole Sanders database. Somehow just doesn't add up...that's all.

Perhaps Conflict of interest does equate a Conspiracy Theory...but there are names, positions, former political pals awash at that company, so it probably doesn't qualify for a CT as there are too many facts the public can now be aware of and view.

See, I'm not "some supporters". So there you have it. Take your case to those you referred to above.

up on my computer doesn't make me a fox or a hacker. Everyone has agreed for the most part, it wasn't hacked, it could not be downloaded or copied (per the vendor) yet was not patched. Which, in my nominal IT knowledge, meant most anyone could access it.

I'm almost on Team Who Gives a F### after reading all this crap. Our girl Hillary can't keep herself out of the news...now owning the IT company via ex-aides and staffers that have access to all the data. That's a Fox, to me. The rest, yes, were hens running around.

In October. I smell a rat....also being that Hillary wanted her IT guy in 2008 hired by DWS for DNC IT Van guy.....again, I smell a Rat.

investigation gets done quickly so this can be cleared up. It's all an unfortunate situation and is likely diminishing the focus on other issues/concerns.

uphill climb as it is. My radar thinks it may have been a kind of set up, but I don't know. It certainly wasn't from Bernie and he fired the person supposedly responsible and there was no harm done, as best anyone has said.

Dirty Tricks come in all forms, sizes and shapes at this juncture. And one of the candidates is famous for pulling off this kind of mayhem, and the other is not. So, it's a puzzle for now, but Iowa looms.

think or feel. Thanks for your vote of confidence.

Just like watergate, it'seems not crime, but the actual cover up that gets people. .

All it does is give the repukes the opportunity to resurrect Hillary's own bogus data security "issue". Yawn and move on!

they can't secure data. All of this is working against the entire democratic party.

Nobody outside political junkies gives a bull's left ball about hashing out the truth when it comes to the email servers or the DNC data breach. All they hear is "demo primary candidates can't keep data secure". And then we keep bashing each other over the head with these loser issues and that's the message that keeps leaking out into the universe.

At first I thought it was blown all out of proportion. It was a "meh" as far as I was concerned. I may not like Sanders, but I will hold my nose and vote for him if he wins the primary.

Then the conspiracy theories started--and not just in DU which has its usual suspects touting all kinds of them--and the lawsuit, and then I began to think, WTF, wait a minute here...What *is* going on at Berniecentral...

and harms the credibility of those who engage in it.

who is leaking this information

They can tell what data was accessed by examining the servers--computer stuff I don't quite understand but I know they look at that stuff.

I thought transparency was supposed to a good thing?

I do wonder why the Sanders campaign escalated this by filing a lawsuit. Maybe they think, plausibly, that the DNC is out to make them look bad by giving info to reporters.

...because DWS and the DNC were in breach of their contract, which allowed 10 days after an incident for the campaign to rectify the situation, before the DNC could pull the data. This is spelled out explicitly in the contract.

The escalation occurred when DWS and the DNC publicized the incident.

Also, they filed a lawsuit because right now is a crucial period in the campaign, right before the next debate and less than 2 months before the first primary. They were being hamstrung, and in a way that was not compliant with the contract they signed.

Looks to me like filing that lawsuit was exactly the right move. It had the desired effect, eh?

If the source was anonymous in an email pseudoscandal story related to Hillary.

These Bernie staffers sure as hell knew what they were doin eh?

Or, perhaps it's cover for She Who Is Not Trusted very much. But hey, plunder on...Cruz the Cuban Canadian awaits coronation.

.........in the same job, most likely in the same office.

DNC's fault for running a sloppy show. Bernie Sanders campaign's fault for doing it in the first place and then doubling down on the BS. Winner here? GOP hopefuls who can point and laugh at our little clown car drama. Oh well, at least we don't have Donald Trump spouting racist rhetoric and making kissy faces at Putin to explain. There's that....

....and saved it, and THEN said the firewall was down.

Where were the grownups while this was happening?

so much stupid.

are you new?

But I still get caught up in that whole logic/proof thing. Silly me

Nope. From the campaign best known for using lies and dirty tricks. Yeah, right.

Ask me to vote for Clinton again.

...it's obvious they saved specifically searched out data, which they didn't admit (in fact denied it!).

So I guess your second to last sentence pretty much sums up their campaign.

Bernie of bust.

Corporations cannot donate to candidates. And the fact is Sanders has already fired the data director.
As I said in my OP, nothing is ever Sanders' fault. I suppose imagining every inconvenient fact is part of some grand conspiracy theory makes you feel better, but it won't broaden Sanders' support. That sort of strategy is guaranteed to relegate a candidate to the fringe. Most voters care to some extent about facts and evidence, not just personalities.

think it's odd that someone would do something that is so highly questionable but then leave such a clear trail of evidence? A very strong argument could be made that Sander's national data director would know evidence of unauthorized access would be logged and noticed and tied back to the campaign.

Apparently these logs are like a huge sign screaming in day-glo paint "Look at me, I was here!", about the same as leaving your driver's license at the store you just robbed.

I work in IT, my coworkers work in IT and some of them can't operate an Excel sheet, some of them can't stop getting viruses, some of them have claimed to been working remotely but didn't realize that their log ins can be tracked and when they put in 40 hours but didn't log in to their computer, oops.

Even high up people don't always really fundamentally get computers and just how specific tracking can get. Look at the guy running Silk Road. Ross Ulbricht had multiple technical degrees and the know how to set up an "anonymous" site on the dark web. And yet I know his name and he was sentenced to life in prison. He took significant steps to avoid detection, but in the end, it's really really really hard to be anonymous online.

They were probably downloading porn images too. Big deal.

..."4 low level techies" actually accessed. And one of those "low level techies" was Sanders' NATIONAL DATA DIRECTOR!

Not really low level, ya think?

The real question is, who was operating the firewall and why wasn't it fixed for six weeks?

Some things never change eh?

Do we blame the guys driving along behind for stopping to pick up a few bills?

is no big deal either. It's totally like everyone does it, amirite?

So I'm guessing that you think it's just fine to download porn at work or perhaps even view/download the private files of your 'competition'.

Your lucky I'm not your boss because I don't stand for either one of those things on my time and dime.

as long as the keyboards don't get too sticky!!

by claiming the security system at the house they robbed was malfunctioning.

New defense for every thief: We did the homeowners a favor by robbing them. Now they know their security system is malfunctioning.

This is the logic the Sanders camp is using.

Your framing metaphor may be bogus. This looks more like a set up than wholesale looting of data.

and of course I showed him how to use it. A few days later, I went to use it and the previous "interesting" files came up...that he had obviously been gawking at...get what I mean?

It was a bit awkward, but I had to let him know how computers worked and that I had seen his searches and sites. We were both embarrassed, but it never happened again. He explained that a friend had told him how to get to "those sites" and he never did it again on our home computer.

Maybe there's a point here...maybe not. Was it my fault? Was it his fault? We decided it was a learning experience. I hope, for our party and perhaps our country's sake, this is how this goes with this current debacle.

tarnished because they are "her people" and she set it up. I don't "blame" her anymore than I "blame" curious staffers whose screens contained results of an IT leak. It's the DNC and DWS who need to explain things...

Also, there is an IT listing I found interesting...basicaly, nothing to see here. But try for Watergate...but I don't remember Nixon turning in Erlichman and Co. and/or firing them.

up with that SH##. But keep trying to conflate it to being Bernie's fault...give it your best shot because this one doesn't do it. Had he tried to hide it first, yes. But that was not a fact...this time or the last time. See it's the Second Time Bernie's people have had to notify the conflict of interest folk that there was a glitch. And how do we know it wasn't "breached"by the other side? Maybe the investigation will tell.

So, I see conflict of interest vs. two reports of glitches. The screen shot of the data and times hardly rose to the level of illegal, any more than failing to fix the glitches and shutting down the data. That too, for a common person like me, speaks volumes. Like it could happen...snap.

I hope Bernie moves his data, if possible...and does it very publicly.

when he is responsible for a wrong, and let people vilify the victim?

as well, also in reference to the abysmal Debate Chicanery.

BTW, have we heard anything from, well you know, in defense of DWS or the circus of this rigged IT company? And how do we know about Bernie's staff? Remind me again who reported it? They didn't have to clearly. I think the glitch was going both ways...that's what he/they thought too.

Still waiting for the "source" that gave a story...true or not...to Time.

That's not low level.

Hillary. Not. Gonna. Happen.

"Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders."

Why the hell would they do this?! I thought they were doing so well.. big crowds! Killer Mike.. online polls, DFA! Bernie even has written his acceptance speech.. so why the breach?!

Thank you, BB.

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and read national news publications. The horror.

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failed primary candidate, I have no problem with it.

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Sanders just joined the Democratic party to use their resources. Now we see how entitled he really feels. Sickening.

DESTROY some of her info. How sick.