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"You left your door unlocked so me stealing your TV is not wrong" (Original Post) MohRokTah Dec 2015 OP
Oh shit! Where's my goddamn TV? Human101948 Dec 2015 #1
Exactly what it sounds like. Sad thing is, this it not good for Democrats everywhere. Hoyt Dec 2015 #2
Problems with this analogy- hay rick Dec 2015 #3
Every keyboard has a button on it that lets you make a screen print mythology Dec 2015 #6
Guilty until proven innocent. hay rick Dec 2015 #13
You shouldnt have dressed in provocative clothing. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #4
BRILLIANT ANALOGY! eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #5
You put your tv in my living room PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #7
and then took my tv out of my room, turned it on, played it and then yelled shenagginanz. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #11
And then locked me out of my own house. Matariki Dec 2015 #15
yep. exactly. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #16
Nothing like making a mess of our Democratic party like baggers did with repug party. Thanks Sanders seabeyond Dec 2015 #8
Yup workinclasszero Dec 2015 #20
2016 was an easy win for the Democrats, regardless the candidate. Here we have Sander doing his best seabeyond Dec 2015 #21
No it's not DVRacer Dec 2015 #9
that door swang both ways. derp. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #10
That isn't a valid defense. I agree. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #12
It's actually: I rented you this car Paulie Dec 2015 #14
Yes, another good analogy. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #17
BRILLIANT ANALOGY! n/t Matariki Dec 2015 #18
You looked in the glove box, took it out knowing you were not suppose to and left with it. seabeyond Dec 2015 #22
No you moved it to the upper glove box. Didn't leave the car. Paulie Dec 2015 #24
LOL, wow, using "Hillary" logic I see. nt Logical Dec 2015 #19
More like: I called out at your threshold to see if everyone was okay, and got arrested for it. Bubzer Dec 2015 #23

hay rick

(7,625 posts)
3. Problems with this analogy-
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:50 PM
Dec 2015

1. "You" (Hillary's campaign) didn't leave the door open, the building superintendent (NGP) left it open.
2. The TV was not stolen. According to the building superintendent (NGP) on their blog (http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy): "for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign." Theft usually means something was taken and the vendor says that didn't happen.
3. If the Sanders campaign had stolen the TV the proper recourse would have been to turn the matter over to the proper authorities for investigation and adjudication. DWS decided that the Sanders campaign should be locked out of their own apartment until she determines that they did not steal the TV.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
6. Every keyboard has a button on it that lets you make a screen print
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:54 PM
Dec 2015

At the very best the company can say is that they don't have a button that says Export or Save to Desktop on it.

Other ways to get the data from a screen include taking a picture on your phone or writing it down.

And in the analogy, staff for the Sanders campaign have said that they stole the tv and pointed to the guy they say did it, but there has been some reporting that indicates it was several other staffers including one who took steps to hide his efforts. The only investigation is to how many tvs were stolen, not if a tv was stolen.

hay rick

(7,625 posts)
13. Guilty until proven innocent.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:39 PM
Dec 2015

I made the same point you are making earlier: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1291908

I suppose it's possible to take a shitload of screen caps but, given the size of voter files and the short duration of the "open window" I think that's unlikely. I have VAN access on a geographically limited basis. The software includes facilities to export and copy data. Any competent thief would use those facilities. Of course, if you're convinced the Sanders campaign is dishonest, you are probably comfortable making additional unflattering assumptions.

But I digress from my subject line. Alleged theft or no theft, is locking Sanders out of his own apartment an appropriate response from the DNC?

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
11. and then took my tv out of my room, turned it on, played it and then yelled shenagginanz.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:05 PM
Dec 2015

Just like the bratty spoiled baby in the family.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
15. And then locked me out of my own house.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:43 PM
Dec 2015

Right before having to dress for an important job interview.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. Nothing like making a mess of our Democratic party like baggers did with repug party. Thanks Sanders
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. 2016 was an easy win for the Democrats, regardless the candidate. Here we have Sander doing his best
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:49 PM
Dec 2015

to fuck up the easy win of 2016 for Dems.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
9. No it's not
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:01 PM
Dec 2015

But that is not what happened here.

In this case HRC and Bernie agreed to use the DNC cloud server that hosts voter files. Both campaigns could then go in and make notes on individual voters habits with only that campaign being able to see those notes in the primary. They do this so that in the general election the winner has access to all the notes whether the winner's campaign wrote them or not.

To make this possible a company was hired by the DNC to make sure only the correct campaign saw their notes. They failed to secure the notes!

So a high level campaign person for Bernie runs a search report and noticed he could see HRC notes. This is after this same issue happened before and was reported. So good bad or otherwise according to the campaign aide to "prove" he could see the other campaigns data notes he ran 25 different reports in a matter of 40 minutes with the idea that if he can see theirs the other side can see ours and ran reports that outlined the type of data that was open. No reports were opened only saved on the DNC cloud server.

Now in response to this the DNC effectively shut down Bernie's campaign when actually the fault lies with the company that the DNC hired.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
14. It's actually: I rented you this car
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:42 PM
Dec 2015

And you looked in the glove box when I told you I locked it. And then you tell me it wasn't locked so I lock it then run to the media saying you're a thief and a liar. Then I lock you out of this car in breech of your rental agreement. And it's all your fault even though it wasn't you but your uncle Al who looked in the glove box. And you disowned your uncle. But you will pay because my buddy doesn't like you.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. You looked in the glove box, took it out knowing you were not suppose to and left with it.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:51 PM
Dec 2015

You know. Theft.

But hey, in the name of integrity, the campaign of integrity, we can find our way to excuse and validate theft.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
24. No you moved it to the upper glove box. Didn't leave the car.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:06 PM
Dec 2015

But my IT guy didn't lock either box. I'm still not letting you drive. All your fault for what someone else did. Because my buddy still doesn't like you.

"I only play fake Columbo on DU." Too fat to wear the coat.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
23. More like: I called out at your threshold to see if everyone was okay, and got arrested for it.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:52 PM
Dec 2015

And then got barred from entering my apartment because it's in the same complex, though I did nothing wrong.

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