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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:40 PM Dec 2015

Clinton campaign response to the Sanders lawsuit

"We hope the Court will resolve this matter tonight and the Sanders campaign has access to their voter files right away, with adequate protections of our proprietary information, which we understand could be completed in short order".

"As we stated earlier today, we also want a full, independent accounting of the Sanders campaign's actions, as well as assurances that no data or strategic insight from this act of intrusion will be used by his campaign. This was an egregious breach of data and ethics"

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Clinton campaign response to the Sanders lawsuit (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2015 OP
Looks like they get how badly they screwed up. polichick Dec 2015 #1
The Clinton campaign did not do this Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #3
I've watched the Clinton Machine long enough to know how it operates. polichick Dec 2015 #5
By getting rival campaigns to amateurishly self-destruct? LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #8
Keep watching - you might figure it out. polichick Dec 2015 #10
My my ... the tinfoil brigade is out in force today Persondem Dec 2015 #18
I think it's equally the "denial brigade". nt oasis Dec 2015 #31
What of any value was actually "stolen"? leveymg Dec 2015 #38
Voter lists - primarily from Iowa, NH and SC Persondem Dec 2015 #44
Please provide another link leveymg Dec 2015 #50
Ok. This article appears to have much of the same text. Persondem Dec 2015 #53
It is becoming increasingly clear that a crime has been committed, here. MADem Dec 2015 #56
There is no 'ap.' It goes straight to the page. It's the Associated Press reporting on the event. MADem Dec 2015 #54
Don't see that file data was collected just a list of files. leveymg Dec 2015 #58
Not sure what you're saying here. MADem Dec 2015 #60
hmmm... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #78
Prove it was Clinton's fault this year or slink back to the realm of lies and innuendo. Persondem Dec 2015 #96
Straw man argument... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #97
I did. It had zero substance or relevance to this year. Persondem Dec 2015 #98
well... not sure you read it.. but thanks ... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #100
Obviously the four Sanders staffers were plants from the Clinton campaign mythology Dec 2015 #19
the IT people who were dropping the firewall were ex Clinton IT people virtualobserver Dec 2015 #26
Apparently, that company runs EVERY Democratic campaign in the country, pretty much. MADem Dec 2015 #57
U R mistaking Clinton for Obama, who beat her in 2008 Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #105
Bullshit. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #7
Nope. And therein lies your difficulty. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #14
Irony of ironies Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #15
The insular myopia of The Revolution is epic. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #16
As is the entitledness of Herself and her clan. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #17
Entitled would be taking campaign data that you didn't work for yourself. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #21
Except that that isn't at all what happened. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #22
Well if you say so... LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #23
So you're going to take info provided by Clinton surrogates as gospel? Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #90
Several news outlets, including Bloomberg, have reported the audit trail as legitimate. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #92
No. I think four people are going to face criminal charges. nt MADem Dec 2015 #61
What an irony that would be considering leveymg Dec 2015 #64
The lure dangled by their own National Data Director? LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #79
He doesn't seem to have been accused of gathering data. That was one of the underlings. leveymg Dec 2015 #93
The access credentials were shared by the Data Director to his team. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #102
Yep Jarqui Dec 2015 #9
Where in the posible fuck would you come up with this? MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #12
I hope you're getting rolls and rolls of tinfoil for Christmas. Metric System Dec 2015 #27
Because "an egregious breach of data and ethics" means, what? Poor Bernie? MADem Dec 2015 #51
lol Renew Deal Dec 2015 #63
Bernie's campaign operation is a den of thieves workinclasszero Dec 2015 #99
Smart move, punks. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #2
The 5 operatives? Not so smart IMHO. And a punk move. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #6
Super dumb punk move.. sabotaging your own campaign. Cha Dec 2015 #67
sanders team sabotaged their own campaign. Cha Dec 2015 #66
DNC just lost itself the 2016 election. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #84
bernie's own team sabotaged itself and they're trying to weasel out of it. Cha Dec 2015 #86
2nd verse, same as the first? Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #88
We didn't download the data, we accessed several views of random samplings and common queries... LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #4
Perfect response ... LannyDeVaney Dec 2015 #11
Gracious as well as professional, response ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #13
Very gracious, and very professional which is the norm from Hillary's campaign. bernie's team Cha Dec 2015 #68
One thing missing.. 121xGigawatts Dec 2015 #20
She won't criticize them... Punkingal Dec 2015 #24
Good point 121xGigawatts Dec 2015 #43
They walked in uninvited and took something that wasn't their's. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #28
I still don't see why 121xGigawatts Dec 2015 #35
Why doesn't Bernie agree to an Independent audit? Alfresco Dec 2015 #25
Because they already started to make call lists based on that data? LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #30
will the clinton campaign agree to an audit, as well? hopemountain Dec 2015 #32
Excuse me, it was the Sanders campaign who got caught stealing data. Alfresco Dec 2015 #36
there is a HUGE perception the clinton campaign did the hopemountain Dec 2015 #37
Perception and evidence are not the same. Alfresco Dec 2015 #39
Exactly Alfresco.. berns are trying to deflect and blame this on Hillary. they Sabotaged their Cha Dec 2015 #73
You're excused. morningfog Dec 2015 #41
The Sanders campaign stealing and lying about it will not be excused. Alfresco Dec 2015 #45
Good response! Cha Dec 2015 #69
sanders' team sabotaged their own campaign so now they're all trying to deflect and blame it Cha Dec 2015 #70
"will the clinton campaign agree to an audit, as well?" Clinton didn't steal. seabeyond Dec 2015 #46
how can we be sure? nt hopemountain Dec 2015 #48
We can be sure because they wouldn't be that stupid to sabatage their own campaign. Cha Dec 2015 #71
hmmmmmmmm still_one Dec 2015 #33
Discovery will probably include it. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #89
He has agreed to an audit of his campaign's data. Alfresco Dec 2015 #91
The DNC actions are an egregious breach of Democracy WDIM Dec 2015 #29
So is stealing a competitors data. seabeyond Dec 2015 #42
Nobody stole anything. You are just falling into the hype. WDIM Dec 2015 #59
Yes, they did, and the audit proved it. MADem Dec 2015 #62
They stole. Theft. Cheating. Then blame Clinton. They sue for 600k a day to fund campaign. seabeyond Dec 2015 #65
They are suing for $600,000 a day!!? Cha Dec 2015 #72
Hey, he has to fund his campaign somehow, lol. Off the back of the Democratic Party. Why not? seabeyond Dec 2015 #74
his own team sabotages him and he's suing the DNC. It figures .. he's always the victim. Cha Dec 2015 #77
And off the backs of the Clinton campaign workers. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #80
Poor bernie.. his own team sabotaged him. Cha Dec 2015 #75
Hillary and her campaign are responding perfectly. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #34
She is handling her response extremely well. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #49
A presidential response as opposed to.... demanding 600k a day for getting caught stealing. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #40
True statesman. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #47
Given that Hillary owns DWS MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #52
Maybe they are just friends and colleagues with common interests. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #76
Why didn't she demand 600k a day instead? Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #55
this thread proves PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #81
In other words they're backing WAYYY off their original statements. Fearless Dec 2015 #82
bernie team Sabotaged their own campaign and are now whining about everybody else.. if they Cha Dec 2015 #83
Repetition != truth Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #85
Win or lose, Bernie is "damaged goods" ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #87
If it was opposition research, as I suspect it was, ucrdem Dec 2015 #94
Exactly, Sanders should have taken action when other snarky remarks was made and this may have been Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #101
And I want a full, independent accounting... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #95
From my twitter feed Gothmog Dec 2015 #103
"This was an egregious breach of data and ethics." mhatrw Dec 2015 #104

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
3. The Clinton campaign did not do this
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:49 PM
Dec 2015

The Clinton campaign is not the one that screwed up. The Sanders campaign did. If Bernie and his people cooperate and show that they no longer have Clinton's files, then undoubtedly they will get their access back.

This projection is getting tiring. From the first moment that the news broke that people in the Sanders campaign accessed files from the Clinton campaign, Bernie people have been screaming that it's all Hillary's fault. That is just ridiculous.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
8. By getting rival campaigns to amateurishly self-destruct?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:54 PM
Dec 2015

How does she do that? Do you really want to be in the same category as the Gowdies and the Gingriches?

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
18. My my ... the tinfoil brigade is out in force today
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:27 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders campaign snoops via a vender's error and it's Clinton's fault. UN-believable.

Bring a link with proof or take it someplace else.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
38. What of any value was actually "stolen"?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:39 AM
Dec 2015

Didn't this become known after the DNC was notified by the SBS campaign?
Was any data copied other than the search protocols of those who had notified the VAN repeatedly that the firewall was down?
Didn't they document their own activities as a white hat is supposed to when investigating a potential data vulnerability?
If this was a theft of data it's the unlikeliest one I have ever heard of.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
44. Voter lists - primarily from Iowa, NH and SC
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:45 AM
Dec 2015
"Some of these voter lists were saved into a folder named "Targets," according to the logs. Uretsky's deputy appeared to focus on pulling data on South Carolina and Iowa voters based on turnout and support — or lack of support — for Clinton.

The Sanders campaign employees who accessed the Clinton voter information without authorization appear to have run afoul of the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, said Jason Weinstein, a former supervisor of the Justice Department's computer crimes section."


From this article.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
50. Please provide another link
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:00 AM
Dec 2015

I don't want to download that ap. Thank you.

Short response is that something like what you describe happened in 08 when Clinton's campaign accessed Obama data on the VAN but then DNC Chair Dean settled it quietly among the parties. DWS was a director of the Clinton campaign at the time so she knew there is precedent for managing this sort of thing but she chose to go public instead.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
53. Ok. This article appears to have much of the same text.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:07 AM
Dec 2015
Summaries of data logs provided to the AP show the Sanders team spent nearly an hour in the database reviewing information on Clinton's high-priority voters and other data from nearly a dozen states, including first-to-vote Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Some of these voter lists were saved into a folder named "Targets," according to the logs. Uretsky's deputy appeared to focus on pulling data on South Carolina and Iowa voters based on turnout and support — or lack of support — for Clinton.


Link to article here

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. It is becoming increasingly clear that a crime has been committed, here.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:16 AM
Dec 2015

I think charges against the responsible persons are in order:

The Sanders campaign employees who accessed the Clinton voter information without authorization appear to have run afoul of the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, said Jason Weinstein, a former supervisor of the Justice Department's computer crimes section.

Those employees "have reason to be concerned about legal exposure," he said, for what appears to fit the definition of illegal hacking.


http://news.yahoo.com/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-breach-143911771.html#

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. There is no 'ap.' It goes straight to the page. It's the Associated Press reporting on the event.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:10 AM
Dec 2015

You don't 'download' anything--it's Associated Press published at Yahoo.

Here is another source with additional detail:

The database logs created by NGP VAN show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach. Staffers conducted searches that would be especially advantageous to the campaign, including lists of its likeliest supporters in 10 early voting states, including Iowa and New Hampshire. Campaigns rent access to a master file of DNC voter information from the party, and update the files with their own data culled from field work and other investments.

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

The logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders.The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to likely voters, "HFA Turnout 60-100" and "HFA Support 50-100," that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin's account searched for and saved lists including less likely Clinton voters, "HFA Support <30" in Iowa, and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire.

Despite audit logs, Weaver said at the news conference that NGP VAN has told the campaign that no Clinton data was printed or downloaded.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

Weaver might as well have just stuffed his foot in his mouth and been done with it. They got caught red handed.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
58. Don't see that file data was collected just a list of files.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:19 AM
Dec 2015

Urestsky and the others also documented their own searches. That sounds like white hat not malicious intrusion. How do we explain that?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. Not sure what you're saying here.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:27 AM
Dec 2015

It wasn't "just a list of files." It was the material IN the files. The lists of voters, and their degree of enthusiasm re: voting for Clinton.

They did a bad, bad thing. If Clinton's people did this to Sanders, this board would be livid.



Some of these voter lists were saved into a folder named "Targets," according to the logs. Uretsky's deputy appeared to focus on pulling data on South Carolina and Iowa voters based on turnout and support — or lack of support — for Clinton.
 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
78. hmmm...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:34 AM
Dec 2015

this happened in 2008 and oh my was clinton's data withheld from her... was she quickly and directly attacked by the dnc... no... so no tin foil here... just pointing out corruption when it peaks from under the emperor's clothes

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
19. Obviously the four Sanders staffers were plants from the Clinton campaign
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:29 PM
Dec 2015

Because clearly it couldn't have been that anybody working for Sanders might screw up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. Apparently, that company runs EVERY Democratic campaign in the country, pretty much.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:17 AM
Dec 2015

So this "Clinton people" meme is getting a little lame. If Bernie did any polling in 2006, odds are these guys were "Bernie people" too.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
14. Nope. And therein lies your difficulty.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:01 PM
Dec 2015

Rather than deal with the arduous endeavor of building a political network of like-minded individuals over decades, you want a coronation for your candidate. The self-righteous zealots on Bernie's staff sought a short cut by abusing the access granted by the Democratic Party to its infrastructure.

Shame on those operatives. Bad form. They betrayed Bernie.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
21. Entitled would be taking campaign data that you didn't work for yourself.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:33 PM
Dec 2015

Her clan consists of Bill, Hillary, Chelsea and Charlotte et al. Her supporters tend to actually like people, hence the greater number and diversity in her ranks.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
22. Except that that isn't at all what happened.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:36 PM
Dec 2015

Which you would know if you had any interest in facts or truth. But your only interest is in crowning your Queen.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
23. Well if you say so...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:05 AM
Dec 2015
According to an audit obtained by Bloomberg, Sanders staffers exploited a temporary glitch in the DNC's voter database on Wednesday to save lists created by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon told reporter there were "24 intrusion attempts" by the Sanders campaign. He and Mook insisted that the Clinton campaign did not take advantage of the bug to look at Sanders' data.

The database logs created by NGP VAN show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach. Staffers conducted searches that would be especially advantageous to the campaign, including lists of its likeliest supporters in 10 early voting states, including Iowa and New Hampshire. Campaigns rent access to a master file of DNC voter information from the party, and update the files with their own data culled from field work and other investments.

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

The logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to likely voters, "HFA Turnout 60-100" and "HFA Support 50-100," that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin's account searched for and saved lists including less likely Clinton voters, "HFA Support <30" in Iowa, and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
92. Several news outlets, including Bloomberg, have reported the audit trail as legitimate.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:02 AM
Dec 2015

I suppose I could link to every one finding the same to be true. The National Data Director of the Sanders campaign was fired.

That's a fact. That's the truth. Or do you believe that Bernie sacirficed his National Data Director without cause?

Do you believe Bernie?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
64. What an irony that would be considering
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:39 AM
Dec 2015

Hillary's own violation of laws related to information security. But, if this reporting is accurate, I would agree that these four may have swallowed the lure.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
93. He doesn't seem to have been accused of gathering data. That was one of the underlings.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

People may have had varying intentions. The facts will come in soon enough and each of us can make a better judgement about motives. The lure was the repeated dropping of the firewall and the continuing failure of the vendor to fix the problem despite repeated complaints by the Data Director.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
102. The access credentials were shared by the Data Director to his team.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

They all went through the door. They knew better. They felt entitled, IMO, taking what wasn't theirs--"for the Clinton campaign's own good" we are supposed to believe.

But yeah, we'll see.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
9. Yep
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:55 PM
Dec 2015

They're back peddling because this is blowing up in their faces - as it should

I didn't care for a number of the slime balls who worked for Hillary in 2008. Like their leader, they had difficulty maintaining their honesty, etc.

This garbage brought back those bad feelings from 2008. I'm getting the sad feeling, she's surrounded herself with another ugly crew.

They spit on a good man's integrity today.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
12. Where in the posible fuck would you come up with this?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:58 PM
Dec 2015

It's the same measured tone as their earlier release.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. Because "an egregious breach of data and ethics" means, what? Poor Bernie?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:02 AM
Dec 2015

No--it means "We know they stole from us, and they got caught, and they should be ashamed of themselves."

Sanders will end up apologizing to Clinton over this. Maybe another head--or three--will roll.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
88. 2nd verse, same as the first?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:33 AM
Dec 2015

You're still not backing that assertion up with anything that proves that it's true. Probably because there isn't any such thing, and the evidence is that Bernie came out of this with 1) restored access to his data, and 2) a big ol' pile of money from outraged supporters. On the other side, Clinton looks slimier than ever, and her little minion DWS will probably be thrown under the bus very soon.

So for having "sabotaged" himself, I'd say Bernie's doing pretty well.

(Psst, I think this is the part where you brokenly repeat your little line.)

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
4. We didn't download the data, we accessed several views of random samplings and common queries...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:49 PM
Dec 2015

We didn't save the data, we staged it on known hosts so that we could then inform the DNC in April.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
11. Perfect response ...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:56 PM
Dec 2015

and another tremendous contrast against the reaction of Sander's campaign.

As always, let the adults in the room do the work.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
13. Gracious as well as professional, response
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:00 PM
Dec 2015

I still think it's funny that people blame Hillary for someone else hacking her campaign information--it's like a SNL joke.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
68. Very gracious, and very professional which is the norm from Hillary's campaign. bernie's team
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:16 AM
Dec 2015

sabotaged their own campaign. All Hillary has to do is let them proceed.

121xGigawatts

(12 posts)
20. One thing missing..
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:30 PM
Dec 2015

Where is the outrage for the vendor that allowed this data breach to occur? I have yet to see any comment from Clinton that the failure of NGP VAN cause their data to be exposed. That would seem to be the bigger concern so it can be avoided in the future, but by focusing on Bernie and making strongly worded responses like the OP, it is becoming more apparent why the DNC responded the way they did.

121xGigawatts

(12 posts)
43. Good point
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:44 AM
Dec 2015

I think she will be forced to at some point because the majority of the backlash is on the DNC and her relationship with DWS.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
28. They walked in uninvited and took something that wasn't their's.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:18 AM
Dec 2015

Clinton is not outraged. The Sanders campaign is outraged. The Revolution is outraged.

Man, Weaver is sure going a long way to make it so Bernie does not have to answer foreign policy questions in tomorrow's debate?

121xGigawatts

(12 posts)
35. I still don't see why
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

Clinton is not outraged though. The Clinton campaign should be very concerned with the failed firewall and the vendors failure to keep her data, and the other campaigns, safe. Her statement only focuses on Bernie and his campaign.

I have had my credit card compromised in the past, and while the person that used it was at fault, I still questioned my bank on why it was compromised in the first place. Ultimately I went to another bank after the second failure to keep my account safe. Should I believe that Clinton is very concerned that her data was accessible by the Sanders camp, but is not concerned enough to question the vendor that made it all possible?

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
32. will the clinton campaign agree to an audit, as well?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

the IT guy is a clinton supporter and the dnc was appraised of the lack of a firewall months ago and did nothing. why would they do nothing? were they also taking advantage of the lack of a firewall to benefit their own data by downloading info on sander's donors?
there are doubts and the longer this goes on, the uglier it is going to get.

Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
36. Excuse me, it was the Sanders campaign who got caught stealing data.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

If the Sanders campaign does nothing they will be excoriated by the press until they do.
Stealing and then lying about it is not the way to go.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
37. there is a HUGE perception the clinton campaign did the
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:38 AM
Dec 2015

same and we will not know until they are also audited. as a democrat who has donated to the dnc i want to know what the exact truth is which for me requires both campaigns to be equally scrutinized.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
73. Exactly Alfresco.. berns are trying to deflect and blame this on Hillary. they Sabotaged their
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:27 AM
Dec 2015

own campaign stealing files from Hillary's database.

They need to own it.. and quit trying to weasel out of it.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
70. sanders' team sabotaged their own campaign so now they're all trying to deflect and blame it
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:19 AM
Dec 2015

on Hillary!?

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
89. Discovery will probably include it.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:38 AM
Dec 2015

You know, in the ongoing lawsuit that he called. It will likely include an audit of the DNC's records, and Hillary's as well. It should be very interesting to see what that turns up!

Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
91. He has agreed to an audit of his campaign's data.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:41 AM
Dec 2015

As part of the agreement, the Sanders campaign agreed to an audit of its data, which will be carried out by corporate investigation firm Kroll, according to a Democrat familiar with the outcome. The Democrat also told POLITICO that the Sanders campaign had agreed to sign an affidavit attesting to the actions of its staffers during the data breach.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
29. The DNC actions are an egregious breach of Democracy
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:20 AM
Dec 2015

Hyping up a made up scandal to discredit Sanders and attack his integrity. Truly a disgusting political hack job. Rovian dirty politics.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
59. Nobody stole anything. You are just falling into the hype.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:23 AM
Dec 2015

Exactly what the DNC mind control machine want you and the voters to think. That Sanders did something wrong. Its a political calculated attack by the Clinton bias DNC.

They will end up alienating a large section of Democrats and kill voter participation. This should of been handled internally and not played out in the media. The DNC leadership is a disaster. Shultz needs to resign her position due to her obvious bias.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. Yes, they did, and the audit proved it.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:30 AM
Dec 2015

This will end with the Sanders campaign apologizing to the Clinton campaign, and four people may well feel rather burnt when they end up in court accused of crimes.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
65. They stole. Theft. Cheating. Then blame Clinton. They sue for 600k a day to fund campaign.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:39 AM
Dec 2015

Priceless.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
74. Hey, he has to fund his campaign somehow, lol. Off the back of the Democratic Party. Why not?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:30 AM
Dec 2015

He feels all resources should be open to him without any of the responsibility of building the party.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
77. his own team sabotages him and he's suing the DNC. It figures .. he's always the victim.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:33 AM
Dec 2015

I hope this backfires on his victim mentality.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
34. Hillary and her campaign are responding perfectly.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

No need for her to respond to (or even acknowledge) the hysteria and tinfoil-hattery emanating from the other side.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
49. She is handling her response extremely well.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:55 AM
Dec 2015

Really proud to support Clinton today. The crime was against her and she is being fair and measured.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
76. Maybe they are just friends and colleagues with common interests.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:31 AM
Dec 2015

Clearly Bernie felt he had to stop the bleeding. If the other staffers violated federal law, Bernie may have to cauterize a bit more. That DWS and HRC are reviled by some, does not mean either is wounded.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
81. this thread proves
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:03 AM
Dec 2015

that there are many Rovian's at DU

But if * says it over and over enough, people will believe it.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
83. bernie team Sabotaged their own campaign and are now whining about everybody else.. if they
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:57 AM
Dec 2015

were so proud of their grassroots why did they steal Hillary's data?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
87. Win or lose, Bernie is "damaged goods" ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:21 AM
Dec 2015

... his campaign is tarnished. Any victory along the way will be suspect.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
94. If it was opposition research, as I suspect it was,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:23 AM
Dec 2015

her statement is well crafted, and if the Sanders campaign puts out any snarky Facebook GIFs with half-truths about her funding, she can claim that he's in breach of this agreement and sue. Turnabout is fair play and the fact that Sanders is going to law against his own new-found party is revealing. Is he really in this to win, or to make sure Clinton loses? That's a question I've never gotten a good answer to.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
101. Exactly, Sanders should have taken action when other snarky remarks was made and this may have been
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:15 PM
Dec 2015

headed off at the pass, now there has been activity he will have to answer, his campaign staff is not his best friend. It was a terrible deed.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
95. And I want a full, independent accounting...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:28 AM
Dec 2015

...of ALL access to those databases over the last few months, with an independent group looking at the logs in detail, to ensure that there was no other unauthorized access during the campaign so far.

Given the history of the company and the DNC ignoring security issues that were brought to their attention, that seems like the only fair way to proceed.

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