don't let the door hit you

you may get your wish.

And I'm sure you know the cliche about wishes...

He won't be on the ballot in 14 states due to being in the Democratic primaries already and sore loser laws.

How did Hillary deal with them?

sore loser laws only apply if you declare to run third-party after the date of the primary in that state.

Before the primary, you're free to withdraw at any time to declare a third-party candidacy. Legally, any state attempt to impart their sore-loser in that scenario would be struck by SCOTUS.

They've already informed Trump he cannot run 3rd party in that state, and the sore loser laws are similar in 13 other states.

Basically, they've never been challenged at the SCOTUS level and there's a lot in case law to lead scholars to suspect that if they were, they'd be struck as unconstitutional on 1st A grounds.

You want special treatment and to blame everybody else for your candidate's poor performance.

but thank you for playing 'let's kill the democratic party', keep at it and you just might succeed.

We aren't that into them.

One too many dramas and we may put ourselves first instead of waiting for crumbs.

Hillary is a 90% certain GE loser, right?

If Trump doesn't run indy, the GOP wins the Presidency easily.

If Trump does run indy, it's a shitshow 4-way race where anything can happen...but Hillary probably doesn't have a path to victory in a 4-way.

You might be more careful what you wish for.

every Sanders supporter I know (a bunch) will either write Bernie's name in or stay home if he is not the nominee. Under zero circumstances will I vote for Hillary Clinton, or any Republican. They are one in the same as far as I'm concerned.

I know many people who support Hillary and they have declared to me today they don't care who the Republicans nominate, if Sanders is nominated they vote Republican because they'll never trust the White House to somebody like Sanders after this scandal.

No one is surprised.

One person in particular has made a point of telling me how bad Trump is, and today after this scandal broke they told me, "I never thought anybody could be worse than Trump until I found out how bad Sanders is today."

Saw that hand played by Clinton supporters back in 2008.

so you have no capability of commenting.

Prior to today, they would have happily voted for any Democratic nominee, even if a pile of dog shit was nominated. After today, Sanders is out forever.

I can say, if O'Malley is nominated, every one of them would be canvassing and phone banking, not to mention donating to his campaign.

Then yes, their declarations are no surprise to anyone who's paid any amount of attention to Clinton supporters. Sorry, I'm sure you thought you were delivering revelations that were just bound to make people feel bad for supporting Sanders. But you're just telling us what we already know.

Buh bye.

Clinton supporters prefer republicans to Bernie Sanders? No shit, they preferred Republicans to Obama back in 2008, too. We knew where Clinton supporters stand on non-Clinton Democrats already.

I mean I know they're Hillary supporters so I can immediately know:

a.) I hate them.
b.) I question their motivations.
c.) I doubt their belief in traditional core Democratic values.
d.) I believe they're not really Democrats.
e.) I hate them.

But Hillary can't win the Presidency without the likes of me and those like me so perhaps she needs to figure out how she intends to get progressives that despise her for the center-right quisling she really is to vote for her?

Can't win without us and we're not voting for her unless she repudiates her entire fiscal vision in favor of an actually progressive one at the same time she stops being a hawk.

If you think allowing a Republican is going to advance Sanders or Hillary agenda you will be disappointed.

She reminds me of this candidate:



So, needless to say, preventing the next CU ruling is the lessor of my worries.

are comparing Hillary to the madman in that movie?

Tell me you are kidding, please.

She and her husband took in $25 million from speaking fees alone, direct to their private account, for 2014 and early 2015. So right until now when she's making her run they've been raking it in.
That's hard to write off as insignificant, esp. considering the hundreds of thousands of dead the wars that she supports produce - and the limited benefit to be had beyond for those in a select well moneyed crew.

This is a problem that she can't avoid, nor can the Democratic Party avoid it if they choose her to lead.

I wouldn't want to be a US American faced between a choice between Hillary and some Republican clone.
Forced to pretend that there's some real difference, beyond mere slogans. Trying to pretend that it's all worth it.

Wishful thinking, my friend.

At least tell them to vote in their local fuckin' races...

or are you pulling this out of ass?

I'm betting on the latter

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On Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Go for it!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=916074

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Explanation: I have seen Sanders supporters insist on an Independent run to punish Democrats for daring not to hand Sanders the election. Leftofcool merely responded to the OP put up. Someone feels this is alert worthy? I am going to say it is more alert stalking of Clinton supporters simply because we see through Sanders and this supposed "integrity" campaign, as he threatens to take Democratic supports donations in a fit of a lawsuit. While demanding the Democratic support system, and the Democratic base vote.

Ya, Sanders. Go for it.
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Context please.

That he was encouraging an independent run by Sanders? Its OK. Say it.

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Ya, Sanders. Go for it.
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and makes Sanders supporters here at DU look very whiny, esp. considering some of the alerts that they have put out.

Not all Bernie supporter alerts...some weird stuff in the threads outside the GDP.

But polarizing is fun. So have at it!

Happy new year.

They're an organization of RNs, some unionized, who've been active in Emoprog activism since their fairly recent inception. And they make no bones about being strident Berniacs.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

I really, really hope he does. The DNC, HRH and their supporters deserve it. They support everything wrong with this country.

Time for Bernie to take all of his voters and run independent of the DNC.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

republican. The best they could hope for, and the odds are astronomical on that, is that it goes to the republican controlled house, who will decide the next presidency, and again it won't the independent

without TRUE Progressives, Millennials (who will never vote for her), Independents and many, many Boomers. She can't win without us. Period.


PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

You get exactly what you wanted. Minus a Clinton President, that is, but at least it's not Bernie! You'll get your right wing President though. Beggars can't be choosers.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Who someone else votes for is their business

However, the fact is the next president will be either a republican or a Democrat, not an independent, and by that I have no doubt Bernie will remain a Democrat, and not run as an independent or third party

basically run as the independent he was in the first place? Oh Nooozzzzz

Well, bye.

Hillary is a warmonger. The darling of the neocons. Republican neocon scum like Robert Kagan, have praised Hillary's foreign-policies. Robert Kagan was one of her foreign-policy advisors when she was SOS. She voted for the Iraq war, has encouraged war with Iran, was part of the destruction of Libya (all grand points of the neocon plan!).

Hillary takes money from Wall Street, the for-profit prison system, has been a cheerleader for fracking while doing zilch about powerful Wall Street interests and her "gold standard" TPP bill that will destroy our country.

And you have the nerve to suggest that Bernie is a non-Democrat? A man who champions the middle class, who is trying to enact a $15 minimum wage, and fighting to remove corrupt corporate money from our democracy that hangs by a thread. Bernie fights for healthcare for all, so the United States can join the rest of the modern countries and make healthcare a right. Bernie wants to tax the rich and make corporations and millionaires pay their fair share, while helping all Americans (not just the wealthy) get a college degree.

Those are FDR tenants! And Hillary disagrees with them all!

Hillary has obviously forgotten what it means to be a Democrat, and anyone who still supports her does as well. Fine. Kill the our party, but please--drop the pseudo-sanctimonious baloney about Bernie not being a Democrat. You aren't qualified to judge.

Our party is so royally screwed.

leading democratic candidate and then turned around and sued the party for 600000 a day!

I'd say Bernies running de facto third party already and burning his bridges behind him.

What a poor choice for the office of president!

The man has horrible judgment! Clueless!

Because that is the only thing he could really do with "stolen data". There is nothing else to be done with it.

I got invited to have dinner with h this week. I put my name in. If I won, she would be talking about her political stands, that is for fucking sure. It wouldn't be a nod and chat kind of thing.

He'll win as a Democrat.

The DNC and he worked it out, got him back the data and he stayed part of the party. I don't think he nor anyone associated with the high levels of his campaign ever suggested he would sabotage the 2016 GE by running as an independent.

If the time comes for Bernie to concede the nomination, I have absolute faith that he will implore his followers to support the Democratic nominee. I would also expect him to actively campaign on her behalf. I don't think he is a vanity candidate--he knows what is really important come 2016. His supporters, such as those from the article, can say what they want. Bernie is too practical and realistic to listen to those pleas.

that he will not run as an independent. Sanders has been clear.

Are you going to start an OP about that now?