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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:18 PM Dec 2015

Sanders' campaign is making a classic mistake

...they could have quieted this incident and moved it to the back pages today, but they opted for a type of counter suit which only serves to keep this 'scandal' alive. It's not as if they've past the point of questions about their campaign's conduct. After all, they FIRED their data director for his actions. That was an excellent start, but they want some sort of instant redemption for their campaign a day after. That's an amazing disregard of the seriousness of the allegations against the campaign - a less than cooperative posture against almost certain probes into their campaign practices regarding the database.

This should provide the main narrative for both the Clinton and Sanders' campaigns through the debate and into next week. I do think it's another mistake to blame the Clinton camp for the actions of the Sanders data team, but it doesn't help Hillary to have this noise drowning out her messaging.

At any rate, at this point, the O'Malley campaign looks golden going into the debate compared to their squabbling rivals.



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Sanders' campaign is making a classic mistake (Original Post) bigtree Dec 2015 OP
DNC's Luis Miranda admitted to first bringing the issue to the press. nt valerief Dec 2015 #1
+1 Leftyforever Dec 2015 #26
Oh yeah? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #2
Dream on. pacalo Dec 2015 #3
He had to respond to the DNC with a lawsuit. The contract said he had 10 days to rectify any issue peacebird Dec 2015 #4
Youy don't think STEALING data in not breaking the terms? MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #8
........ daleanime Dec 2015 #11
Actually they stole nothing, the data company states no data was saved, exported, or acted on peacebird Dec 2015 #15
He's already fucking admitted to it this afternoon. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #17
You have no idea of what technically happened..so Leftyforever Dec 2015 #28
She broke the terms? it is more like a breach by a Sanders campaign worker. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #12
LOL... Hepburn Dec 2015 #5
+1 Leftyforever Dec 2015 #29
It's a good post Big.... MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #6
Keeping this alive, and making it Bernie vs The DNC is good for his campaign Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #7
And just let access to their data be blocked before Iowa? Matariki Dec 2015 #9
It really doesn't matter when this comes to the attention of others at this point Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #10
Too late. earthside Dec 2015 #16
Show me where the accessing of Hillary's database has anything to Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #18
A couple mea culpas, a few token firings, and a concerted effort to *fix the problem* - baldguy Dec 2015 #13
Good post. Dem2 Dec 2015 #14
Sanders wins this either way. bl968 Dec 2015 #19
This keeps happening, non issues blown out of proportion by "supporters." joshcryer Dec 2015 #20
kick bigtree Dec 2015 #21
While Martin O'Malley continues to campaign on the issues... Koinos Dec 2015 #22
I think a lot of folks here need to be reminded bigtree Dec 2015 #23
I agree, bigtree. Koinos Dec 2015 #24
LOL, kicking your own post for attention is not cool. nt Logical Dec 2015 #31
it's actually a well established DU practice bigtree Dec 2015 #34
Only for attention. If your post dies let it die. nt Logical Dec 2015 #39
Wow. Stunningly poor analysis. cali Dec 2015 #25
Actually, it's shining some light on the amazingly undemocratic DNC marmar Dec 2015 #27
+1 Leftyforever Dec 2015 #32
LOL, so this is your analysis? Not sure you are an open minded viewer. What a joke. nt Logical Dec 2015 #30
and you're 'open-minded?' bigtree Dec 2015 #35
I am not posting a post acting like I know what happened! Get it yet? If not IM me. nt Logical Dec 2015 #40
At what stage will O'Malley drop out of the race? Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #33
lol bigtree Dec 2015 #36
I guess a week is a long time in politics Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #37
that's been my experience bigtree Dec 2015 #38

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
4. He had to respond to the DNC with a lawsuit. The contract said he had 10 days to rectify any issue
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:32 PM
Dec 2015

Yet DWS shut off access to the database in one day.

She broke the terms of the comtract AND told the press that Bernie was underhanded and stole data. He had no choice but to fight back with honesty to clear his name and get access to what he paid for. DWS is going to split the party, if Hillary thinks she can get Bernie supporters votes NOW, well she is delusional.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
15. Actually they stole nothing, the data company states no data was saved, exported, or acted on
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:41 PM
Dec 2015

So, I guess if Hillarys tech guy from2008, who now runs the company, says nothing could be exported, saved or acted on it means nothing was stolen?

But if Hillary wants to try to smear Bernie further (aka her attacks on Obama in2008) well, Please Proceed, Madam Secretary.

Seriously. Please do.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
17. He's already fucking admitted to it this afternoon.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:45 PM
Dec 2015

Don't bother replying. I gave up talking to walls when I retired.

Ciao.

 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
28. You have no idea of what technically happened..so
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
Dec 2015

your use of the capitalized word "STEALING" shows your agenda

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
6. It's a good post Big....
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:34 PM
Dec 2015

.. but I'm so FN pissed right now I can barely see straight. Their motherFN Data Director stole some very valuable material, and now it's all Clinton's fault? Screw the BS's campaign.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
7. Keeping this alive, and making it Bernie vs The DNC is good for his campaign
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:34 PM
Dec 2015

Seriously, he needed something.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
10. It really doesn't matter when this comes to the attention of others at this point
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:37 PM
Dec 2015

In the campaign, it will serve Sanders miserably. I know Sanders is probably deep into his debate coaching but a good statement acknowledging the wrong doing and the action he has taken with the guy along with agreeing to an audit may be able to put this to sleep. Dragging this out will harm Sanders campaign. Hillary will continue to work hard and the grass roots of her campaign will still work hard.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
16. Too late.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:42 PM
Dec 2015

The narrative is already firming-up.

Wassermann Schultz and the DNC in the tank for Hillary.

Sen. Sanders the underdog fighting the elite power establishment represented by the elite of the elites, Hillary Clinton.

That's politics.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. Show me where the accessing of Hillary's database has anything to
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:02 AM
Dec 2015

Prove DWS and the DNC is in the tank for Hillary. This was a super bad move on the part of the campaign worker. If it had anything to do it is on the part of the Sanders campaign to portray the feelings of his supporters, there isn't any evidence of the claim to what is said here. If Sanders campaign cooked this up to show wrong doing on the part of DWS or the Hillary it will be a failed attempt. Terrible to the Sanders campaign.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
13. A couple mea culpas, a few token firings, and a concerted effort to *fix the problem* -
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:40 PM
Dec 2015

and this self-inflicted scandal would disappear.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
14. Good post.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:40 PM
Dec 2015

Stirring this up in a way that activates his supporters who are already underdogs distrustful of Hillary seems to be a little too deliberate/provocative to me. The law suit wasn't a good idea in my view also.

bl968

(360 posts)
19. Sanders wins this either way.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:04 AM
Dec 2015

There is no such thing as bad publicity. It's all in how you use it.

What this has done however is broken the media blockade on Sanders coverage, and will result in even more people looking for information on just who this Bernie Sanders person is; them being exposed to his positions on the issues, and in the end becoming a supporter of Bernie Sanders. He wins. Thanks DNC/DWS/Clinton Campaign!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
20. This keeps happening, non issues blown out of proportion by "supporters."
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:17 AM
Dec 2015

The Clinton campaign is veritably giddy at how this is being handled.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
21. kick
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:24 AM
Dec 2015

...am kick (posted before going to work last night).

Good responses, some rebuttal, but I'll stand by my op.

Glad to see that they settled the issue out of court.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
22. While Martin O'Malley continues to campaign on the issues...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:04 AM
Dec 2015

I think both the Sanders campaign and the DNC handled this very poorly. There is plenty of blame to go around. Blaming others for one's own mistakes shows a lack of character.

Bigtree, truer words were never spoken in the OP: "At any rate, at this point, the O'Malley campaign looks golden going into the debate compared to their squabbling rivals."

Hopefully, this time, O'Malley will have a more fairly distributed amount of time in the debate to get across his ideas about what is good for the country.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
23. I think a lot of folks here need to be reminded
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:13 AM
Dec 2015

...most voters don't like this type of infighting. It has little to do with the issues they face in their daily lives and it reinforces the worst of what many voters already believe about politics and politicians - the belief that their own problems and challenges mean less to pols than their political futures.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
24. I agree, bigtree.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Dec 2015

To real people out there, this squabbling looks petty and childish. I am feeling very good about my chosen candidate today.

O'Malley knows that the odds are against him, but he keeps going. Why? Because he believes that getting his own ideas out there is more important than winning an election.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
34. it's actually a well established DU practice
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

...and I'm not the least concerned about what's 'cool.'

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
33. At what stage will O'Malley drop out of the race?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Dec 2015

I like Martin and I think he should stay in. I worry about him but I guess he must have big donors?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
36. lol
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:42 AM
Dec 2015
Steven Rattner ?@SteveRattner

Iowa polls at this point in 2004:

Dean 26%
Gephardt 22
Kerry 9
Edwards 5

Caucus results:

Kerry 38
Edwards 32
Dean 18
Gephardt 11


I think he'll stay in at least through Iowa to see if he can achieve an upset or a result which beats expectations to propel him into the next contest and attracts more attention and support.

He's in a money fix now that he's decided to accept matching funds (several articles explain that better than I can).

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
38. that's been my experience
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:49 AM
Dec 2015

...Iowa voters are notoriously coy with pollsters and sometimes the confident campaigns leave voters at home believing their choice doesn't need any help, while underdogs and challengers' supporters remain motivated and active.

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