2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders' campaign is making a classic mistake
...they could have quieted this incident and moved it to the back pages today, but they opted for a type of counter suit which only serves to keep this 'scandal' alive. It's not as if they've past the point of questions about their campaign's conduct. After all, they FIRED their data director for his actions. That was an excellent start, but they want some sort of instant redemption for their campaign a day after. That's an amazing disregard of the seriousness of the allegations against the campaign - a less than cooperative posture against almost certain probes into their campaign practices regarding the database.
This should provide the main narrative for both the Clinton and Sanders' campaigns through the debate and into next week. I do think it's another mistake to blame the Clinton camp for the actions of the Sanders data team, but it doesn't help Hillary to have this noise drowning out her messaging.
At any rate, at this point, the O'Malley campaign looks golden going into the debate compared to their squabbling rivals.
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valerief
(53,235 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)What is the DNC narrative when Bernie wins in court?
pacalo
(24,721 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Yet DWS shut off access to the database in one day.
She broke the terms of the comtract AND told the press that Bernie was underhanded and stole data. He had no choice but to fight back with honesty to clear his name and get access to what he paid for. DWS is going to split the party, if Hillary thinks she can get Bernie supporters votes NOW, well she is delusional.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Fucking Twilight Zone on this board.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)So, I guess if Hillarys tech guy from2008, who now runs the company, says nothing could be exported, saved or acted on it means nothing was stolen?
But if Hillary wants to try to smear Bernie further (aka her attacks on Obama in2008) well, Please Proceed, Madam Secretary.
Seriously. Please do.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Don't bother replying. I gave up talking to walls when I retired.
Ciao.
Leftyforever
(317 posts)your use of the capitalized word "STEALING" shows your agenda
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...use the facts much?
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts).. but I'm so FN pissed right now I can barely see straight. Their motherFN Data Director stole some very valuable material, and now it's all Clinton's fault? Screw the BS's campaign.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Seriously, he needed something.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)In the campaign, it will serve Sanders miserably. I know Sanders is probably deep into his debate coaching but a good statement acknowledging the wrong doing and the action he has taken with the guy along with agreeing to an audit may be able to put this to sleep. Dragging this out will harm Sanders campaign. Hillary will continue to work hard and the grass roots of her campaign will still work hard.
earthside
(6,960 posts)The narrative is already firming-up.
Wassermann Schultz and the DNC in the tank for Hillary.
Sen. Sanders the underdog fighting the elite power establishment represented by the elite of the elites, Hillary Clinton.
That's politics.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Prove DWS and the DNC is in the tank for Hillary. This was a super bad move on the part of the campaign worker. If it had anything to do it is on the part of the Sanders campaign to portray the feelings of his supporters, there isn't any evidence of the claim to what is said here. If Sanders campaign cooked this up to show wrong doing on the part of DWS or the Hillary it will be a failed attempt. Terrible to the Sanders campaign.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)and this self-inflicted scandal would disappear.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Stirring this up in a way that activates his supporters who are already underdogs distrustful of Hillary seems to be a little too deliberate/provocative to me. The law suit wasn't a good idea in my view also.
bl968
(360 posts)There is no such thing as bad publicity. It's all in how you use it.
What this has done however is broken the media blockade on Sanders coverage, and will result in even more people looking for information on just who this Bernie Sanders person is; them being exposed to his positions on the issues, and in the end becoming a supporter of Bernie Sanders. He wins. Thanks DNC/DWS/Clinton Campaign!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The Clinton campaign is veritably giddy at how this is being handled.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...am kick (posted before going to work last night).
Good responses, some rebuttal, but I'll stand by my op.
Glad to see that they settled the issue out of court.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)I think both the Sanders campaign and the DNC handled this very poorly. There is plenty of blame to go around. Blaming others for one's own mistakes shows a lack of character.
Bigtree, truer words were never spoken in the OP: "At any rate, at this point, the O'Malley campaign looks golden going into the debate compared to their squabbling rivals."
Hopefully, this time, O'Malley will have a more fairly distributed amount of time in the debate to get across his ideas about what is good for the country.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...most voters don't like this type of infighting. It has little to do with the issues they face in their daily lives and it reinforces the worst of what many voters already believe about politics and politicians - the belief that their own problems and challenges mean less to pols than their political futures.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)To real people out there, this squabbling looks petty and childish. I am feeling very good about my chosen candidate today.
O'Malley knows that the odds are against him, but he keeps going. Why? Because he believes that getting his own ideas out there is more important than winning an election.
Logical
(22,457 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and I'm not the least concerned about what's 'cool.'
Logical
(22,457 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)marmar
(77,082 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...lol
Logical
(22,457 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I like Martin and I think he should stay in. I worry about him but I guess he must have big donors?
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Iowa polls at this point in 2004:
Dean 26%
Gephardt 22
Kerry 9
Edwards 5
Caucus results:
Kerry 38
Edwards 32
Dean 18
Gephardt 11
I think he'll stay in at least through Iowa to see if he can achieve an upset or a result which beats expectations to propel him into the next contest and attracts more attention and support.
He's in a money fix now that he's decided to accept matching funds (several articles explain that better than I can).
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...Iowa voters are notoriously coy with pollsters and sometimes the confident campaigns leave voters at home believing their choice doesn't need any help, while underdogs and challengers' supporters remain motivated and active.