I suppose if I stole a car, I could file a lawsuit against the dealership because the police took away my license.

They stole nothing. The system has shown no data was exported.

Have a nice day.

...which DWS / DNC were clearly in breach of.

You know, the one on Saturday night before Christmas?

debate than before, so there is that...

If we're going to go all CT on this entire kerfluffle, there is that

What color is the sky in your world?

... people don't have some kind of recording device, so they could watch the debate whenever they want.

Are you genuinely justifying the fact that this debate is on a Saturday night before Christmas? I just want to make sure that's what you're doing here.

I mean...
The scheduling (two Saturday nights out of
{woo hoo} 6 debates) is...ain't... no fucking way
anything but Rah Rah Rah HRC.
Timing is everything in life.
That said I am so taken by the minute by minute here at DU.
Fast moving story,
fast response. Got many different angles on the situation.
If I had to distill the entire day of what the day has been,
Still coming back to Ratfuck. But that's just me.
A bit in my cups,
Stryder.

Post Script,
I hate it when Mommy & Daddy fight.
( I mean, this is a "Progressive" board, right?)

He cannot be bullied by DWS and the parisan hacks at the DNC.

Just a thought.

DWS took access away without allowing him the time to correct the issue.

Also of interest: DWS was cochair of Hillary 2008 and the data group chosen by the DNC to host their database is headed by the former it tech guy from Hillary 2008. Not that there is any bias or anything..........

but let me tell you, we will fight you and the billionaires that are killing Americans living in poverty to the end. Yes, you have the big money on your side but we have the will of the People on our side. Down with the tyranny of the 1%, down with the corruption of OUR government by the big money donors to HRC.

Backing out slowly here. Hands clearly visible.


Happy Holidays.

war and although your side has the billionaires we have the People and will prevail.

Tell me more of this universe you call home.

Wait till the dust settles for you to really grasp what is coming before you.

...and DWS / DNC folded like a cheap suit.

no matter how hard you try to spin this to try and make his campaign look good. It won't work.

You better not leave DU or the precious few other places it's safe for the Perpetual Victim Camp.

we will prevail. Gloat while you can but the People will sooner or later throw out the corruption of big money.

"You wouldn't know a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing 'Subtle Plans Are Here Again'!" So perfect for this situation.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Give the voter file back to Bernie Sanders' campaign
Petition by Carl Gibson

To be delivered to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Chair

We demand that DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz immediately reinstate the Bernie Sanders campaign's access to the DNC's 50-state voter file, which is crucial for voter outreach in the last weeks before the first Democratic caucuses. Shutting down Sanders' tools to reach voters is an infringement on democracy.
There are currently 251,382 signatures. NEW goal - We need 275,000 signatures!

It's called "Discovery", which empowers a plaintiff to gain access to information as to
what all went down, how long firewall was really down, any and all communications
between DWS, Clinton campaign, and/or the vendor about the firewall problems, whether
Clinton campaign also may have stolen data from Bernie's campaign, etc.

Will Sanders's counsel have to push for this, or is it an automatic thing?

i'm not legal expert, but do believe discovery must be initiated by the plaintiff.

I also suspect this is why this became 'resolved' so quickly, is DNC is hoping
to avoid having to reveal stuff they'd rather not.

I think you're probably onto something there wrt the DNC's quick action on this.

When this story broke earlier, I saw a couple posts to the effect of, "what's Sanders's campaign hiding?" Looks like the shoe's on the other foot, now.

Republicons but also with those Democrats that are puppets of the billionaires. Americans are dying of poverty and no health care while Goldman-Sachs and their puppets get rich.

That would explain a lot, come to think about it.

this richest country in the world. They are imprisoning our people at a high rate and shooting us in the streets. The insurance companies are laughing their heads off as American children are dying from lack of health care. So why would a Democrat support the 1%? Some people worship the wealthy, I guess.

Your point is well taken.

is killing Americans. Why don't these "Democrats" care? Why do they worship the wealth of the 1%?

After her campaign's behavior today......Bernie is going to hold her feet to the fire
on all issues.

When I saw the headlines early Friday morning accusing the Sanders campaign of data theft I was heart broken. I worried that my dream candidate had truly been involved in something horrible and corrupt and was about to go down in flames. I just had a sick feeling inside.

In one day Team Bernie was able to get the facts out to the public as to exactly what had gone down. Using his legal Complaint to quickly and carefully lay out the details of what had happened, this week and in previous months, and what the relationship was between his campaign and the Voter Data systems was brilliant. He and his team have cleared my mind up that not only were their actions legal and appropriate, but that he is the man that is ready for the 7 a.m. phone call. He and his team have great resilience and great ability to "put out fires". Of course, it helps to put out a fire if there is no actual flames there to start with.

This in contrast to HRC who has not been able to put out the Benghazi email fire after over a year.(Another fire with no flames). HRC may have been able to contain the damage of E-ghazi so that it did not consume her entirely, but she came out damaged all the same.

Bernie today showed how you handle controversy and thus passed a huge test today. Congrats!

Tonight I feel more committed than ever to my candidate.

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I feel exactly the same.

Bernie more than I already did, but he shows real grit here. This man is ready to be our president!

stupid or foolish or idiots, or something else.

and still be able to attend their holiday festivities?

I think the vendor knows too much to be cut loose. I'll wager that will NOT happen. Even though it should, because of the conflict of interest.

she knows waaaaay too much. can you imagine if she felt betrayed? yikes!

...and I'm only half kidding.

in the clintonian empire is secure.

His threats. Hence, why near zero Democrat will endorse him.

The way the Clinton camp has redefined "negative campaigning".
When Bernie is smeared, that is just business as usual.

When Bernie campaigns against actual issues, the squealing about "but, but, but - Bernie said no negative campaign!!!!" is pretty hilarious - and tells me that Bernie was just supposed to gather in some of the voters who would otherwise have not bothered with the current lesser of two evils model, and hand them to Hillary. That is not going to happen, because those people think for themselves. Which, I guess, is annoyingly inconvenient for the DNC. They seem to be getting a wee bit sharpish.

I will never forget or forgive that DWS has campaigned FOR GOP buddies here in Florida, and refused to campaign or fund-raise for Democrats running against her GOP buddies. That makes me want to puke when some here maunder on about "true Democrats". For fuck's sake. If Bernie had pulled any of that crap he would have been pilloried here - even more than usual. DWS even sent an email - she sent it, not some intern - to John Morgan (wealthy and influential guy who was spearheading the medical marijuana effort here). DWS was against it. Morgan said what he thought of her. She emailed that she would change her stance on MM if Morgan would start saying nice things about her. The For Sale sign may as well be tattooed on her forehead. "True Democrat", my ass.

the didn't expect a *primary*: in their world they have everything sewed up--they have appeals written down for all the constituencies, they have the money (paying for pollsters), they have a lot of ways to appeal to Republicans (since this is just an extended GE campaign)

they still see this as a sort of overblown Dean '04 campaign, that they can find something compromising or just a gaffe that breaks the image of being "presidential"--that ultimately you still win by running to the right while promising to govern from the left

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