2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAll right, my pissed off post mortem now that access had been regranted
And stick with me, because there is going to be a lot more profanity than I normally use. And really stick with me because I do get to the DNC and Hillary at the end of this.
The idea that Sanders is somehow the victim in this and that Hillary is the culprit is so fucking stupid that I now rank it as one of the silliest points in recent GDP history.
You cannot have this both ways, you can't. It cannot be Bernie's staff uncovered a flaw and reported it to the vendor and DNC and, at the same time, have this be an orchestrated plot by the frontrunner to bring down the campaign of a rival. Give up the persecution complex, stop with the bullshit that this was a deliberate act of willful sabotage and fucking admit that Bernie staffers were in a place they should not have been, regardless of how that door was left open.
And the DNC should have kept this entire goddamn thing in house, quiet and low key. There was no fucking reason to blow this up once Sanders removed the chief offending party. Send someone over to verify no confidential info was present and call it a fucking day.
And my one complaint for the Clinton campaign is that they should have been a lot more public saying that they trusted Sanders to do the right thing. He threw you a fucking bone with his damn emails comment at the first debate and this was a perfect time to return the favor.
And the vendor at the heart of this had better be fucking cut loose.
In conclusion, fuck all of this nonsense. The DNC, the campaigns and the supporters handled today abso-fucking-lutely pathetically.
Christ.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I will NEVER consider Sanders honest or principled after this.
I would say more, but I'm taking enough of a hide risk in what Ive already said.
Leftyforever
(317 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)You are in the can for Hillary. Nothing will change that. Everything you say is, at best, motivated reasoning - you have a conclusion to reach and by God, you will reach it.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)This seems to be an extreme case, however.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I don't give a fuck who you trust.
Now, laugh.
cali
(114,904 posts)The empressof all
(29,098 posts)Of course it must be an "honest" mistake then...right?
She needed to go years ago and she needs to go now. She is a disgrace!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)DWS thought she could smear Sanders and he would take it. She was wrong, he did the right thing and fired his guy, then when she still cut access he filed a lawsuit.
Maybe now DWS will realize Bernie is a legitamite contender and she should not try to screw him over. He WILL fight back, as will his supporters. Which is why the DNC phine lines were down all day, even their donation line.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)DWS apparently was unable to exercise the same tact.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)The nearly half million that signed the petitions to get DWS fired or the 100K+ that donated to Bernie??? Because that is what we did. Or the Hillary supporters who saw an entire campaign being derailed over a bullshit beef and applauded??
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)but I don't see how this could have been kept under wraps, especially after a firing. If all involved tried to spin/cover this, it would have ended up an even bigger disaster.
Agree on Sanders being on the TV, not that tone deaf Weaver.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)There were ways to shrug it off.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)And said fired person likely wouldn't have kept his mouth shut anyway based on what he said to the media yesterday. It was going to come out one way or another and nobody was going to control the message.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)I've long known that a lot of people online operate in a selectively chosen universe.
I've seen the weirdest anti-Clinton conspiracy theories floated here. They get hundreds of recs. People believe the worst about her, eagerly.
And in a case where the Sanders campaign was clearly in the wrong, and the Clinton campaign was clearly the aggrieved party, we had a foaming-at-the-mouth wave of hatred saying this was all Clinton's treachery. Not just on DU, but on so many other online forums and news sites.
For a long time, I've dissociated this rabid behavior from the Sanders campaign. He can't control the people who support him, after all. But now I see that the Sanders campaign has the same over-the-top mindset. They really do think they're the wronged party in all this. Their staffers did something blatantly unethical against a rival campaign, and rather than apologize, they sue the party and try to fundraise off of it.
The absolute gall it takes to do that-- the sanctimoniousness and inflated sense of self-righteousness-- is incredibly off-putting.
I may regret writing all this in the morning. But I cannot believe how the Sanders campaign and its supporters handled this.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I certainly feel better.
Of course, I'm also about to trash GDP and find something more constructive to do with my time.
That might help a bit, too.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)This should have been resolved in house months ago.
But... someone on Hillary's side ran to the media.
I think Bernie's side had the goods or this wouldn't have come to this.
Fuck all this nonsense.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)"...someone on Hillary's side ran to the media..."
(Allegedly, I add, since I don't - yet - have personal knowledge of this.)
Was that the trigger for DWS's action? Have you a link?
I've seen a lot of "what" but not much "why" as to her reason for what I think was a monumentally stupid approach. I'd be very interested in more information.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He flip flopped and comparing the 2 is apples and oranges.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Rec
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom