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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:36 AM Dec 2015

All right, my pissed off post mortem now that access had been regranted

And stick with me, because there is going to be a lot more profanity than I normally use. And really stick with me because I do get to the DNC and Hillary at the end of this.

The idea that Sanders is somehow the victim in this and that Hillary is the culprit is so fucking stupid that I now rank it as one of the silliest points in recent GDP history.

You cannot have this both ways, you can't. It cannot be Bernie's staff uncovered a flaw and reported it to the vendor and DNC and, at the same time, have this be an orchestrated plot by the frontrunner to bring down the campaign of a rival. Give up the persecution complex, stop with the bullshit that this was a deliberate act of willful sabotage and fucking admit that Bernie staffers were in a place they should not have been, regardless of how that door was left open.

And the DNC should have kept this entire goddamn thing in house, quiet and low key. There was no fucking reason to blow this up once Sanders removed the chief offending party. Send someone over to verify no confidential info was present and call it a fucking day.

And my one complaint for the Clinton campaign is that they should have been a lot more public saying that they trusted Sanders to do the right thing. He threw you a fucking bone with his damn emails comment at the first debate and this was a perfect time to return the favor.

And the vendor at the heart of this had better be fucking cut loose.

In conclusion, fuck all of this nonsense. The DNC, the campaigns and the supporters handled today abso-fucking-lutely pathetically.

Christ.

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All right, my pissed off post mortem now that access had been regranted (Original Post) Godhumor Dec 2015 OP
Well said, and that includes the profanity! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2015 #1
I will NEVER trust Sanders after this. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #2
you never did... don't be silly MOhRokTah ... eom Leftyforever Dec 2015 #6
.... bigwillq Dec 2015 #20
This post contains no information mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #11
We can say this about 75% of posts in GDP these days Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #23
That is quite possibly true mindwalker_i Dec 2015 #29
Lol, like you did before. You are really silly! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #15
.... bigwillq Dec 2015 #21
We just kicked your ass. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #18
Bwahaha. You told a funny. cali Dec 2015 #28
Debbie nephew is a VP for the Vendor The empressof all Dec 2015 #3
Calling DWS a disgrace is putting it mildly. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #14
The vendor is the former tech guy from hillary2008, no way his company gets cut loose peacebird Dec 2015 #4
This happened in 08 and Dean kept it inside the family leveymg Dec 2015 #5
"the supporters handled today abso-fucking-lutely pathetically." catnhatnh Dec 2015 #7
I really appreciate your post, and agree with just about all of it, MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #8
Under wraps no, nonchalant yes Godhumor Dec 2015 #9
OK, I see that point. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #10
It would have lead to months of conspiratorial postings though Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #25
As for me, I'm as angry as I've been in a while about the primary. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #12
You should have no regrets, I think venting can be very healthy right now Godhumor Dec 2015 #13
What a weird post. Not sure why you did it. Attention? Nt Logical Dec 2015 #16
Ya know... again we agree. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #17
Serious question: SusanCalvin Dec 2015 #19
Bernie threw nothing to Hillary. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #22
I think I agree with you. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #24
Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Differently cantbeserious Dec 2015 #26
Martin O'Malley 2016! FSogol Dec 2015 #27
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. I will NEVER trust Sanders after this.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:39 AM
Dec 2015

I will NEVER consider Sanders honest or principled after this.

I would say more, but I'm taking enough of a hide risk in what Ive already said.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
11. This post contains no information
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:05 AM
Dec 2015

You are in the can for Hillary. Nothing will change that. Everything you say is, at best, motivated reasoning - you have a conclusion to reach and by God, you will reach it.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
3. Debbie nephew is a VP for the Vendor
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:42 AM
Dec 2015

Of course it must be an "honest" mistake then...right?

She needed to go years ago and she needs to go now. She is a disgrace!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
4. The vendor is the former tech guy from hillary2008, no way his company gets cut loose
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:44 AM
Dec 2015

DWS thought she could smear Sanders and he would take it. She was wrong, he did the right thing and fired his guy, then when she still cut access he filed a lawsuit.

Maybe now DWS will realize Bernie is a legitamite contender and she should not try to screw him over. He WILL fight back, as will his supporters. Which is why the DNC phine lines were down all day, even their donation line.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. This happened in 08 and Dean kept it inside the family
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:45 AM
Dec 2015

DWS apparently was unable to exercise the same tact.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
7. "the supporters handled today abso-fucking-lutely pathetically."
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:50 AM
Dec 2015

The nearly half million that signed the petitions to get DWS fired or the 100K+ that donated to Bernie??? Because that is what we did. Or the Hillary supporters who saw an entire campaign being derailed over a bullshit beef and applauded??

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
8. I really appreciate your post, and agree with just about all of it,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:55 AM
Dec 2015

but I don't see how this could have been kept under wraps, especially after a firing. If all involved tried to spin/cover this, it would have ended up an even bigger disaster.

Agree on Sanders being on the TV, not that tone deaf Weaver.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
25. It would have lead to months of conspiratorial postings though
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:26 PM
Dec 2015

And said fired person likely wouldn't have kept his mouth shut anyway based on what he said to the media yesterday. It was going to come out one way or another and nobody was going to control the message.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
12. As for me, I'm as angry as I've been in a while about the primary.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:09 AM
Dec 2015

I've long known that a lot of people online operate in a selectively chosen universe.

I've seen the weirdest anti-Clinton conspiracy theories floated here. They get hundreds of recs. People believe the worst about her, eagerly.

And in a case where the Sanders campaign was clearly in the wrong, and the Clinton campaign was clearly the aggrieved party, we had a foaming-at-the-mouth wave of hatred saying this was all Clinton's treachery. Not just on DU, but on so many other online forums and news sites.

For a long time, I've dissociated this rabid behavior from the Sanders campaign. He can't control the people who support him, after all. But now I see that the Sanders campaign has the same over-the-top mindset. They really do think they're the wronged party in all this. Their staffers did something blatantly unethical against a rival campaign, and rather than apologize, they sue the party and try to fundraise off of it.

The absolute gall it takes to do that-- the sanctimoniousness and inflated sense of self-righteousness-- is incredibly off-putting.

I may regret writing all this in the morning. But I cannot believe how the Sanders campaign and its supporters handled this.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
13. You should have no regrets, I think venting can be very healthy right now
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 AM
Dec 2015

I certainly feel better.

Of course, I'm also about to trash GDP and find something more constructive to do with my time.

That might help a bit, too.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
17. Ya know... again we agree.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:17 AM
Dec 2015

This should have been resolved in house months ago.

But... someone on Hillary's side ran to the media.

I think Bernie's side had the goods or this wouldn't have come to this.

Fuck all this nonsense.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
19. Serious question:
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

"...someone on Hillary's side ran to the media..."

(Allegedly, I add, since I don't - yet - have personal knowledge of this.)

Was that the trigger for DWS's action? Have you a link?

I've seen a lot of "what" but not much "why" as to her reason for what I think was a monumentally stupid approach. I'd be very interested in more information.

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