2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING: DNC caves to Bernie Sanders, campaign regains access to voter database
BREAKING NEWS: After Bernie Sanders sued the DNC, they have apparently caved to his demands, allowing the campaign access to the party's voter database.
http://www.examiner.com/article/dnc-caves-to-bernie-sanders-campaign-regains-access-to-voter-database
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Hundreds of thousands of people stood up today against the DNC and look what happened. This is a great win.
senz
(11,945 posts)We the people have more power than we realize. Let's remember that in the coming months!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)you feel better, OK.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)as your avatar (I live in Knoxville, too, so... I have stories).
That said... we just kicked ass. We were strong. We held on. Our "machine" is beating fascism.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)action and left Clinton out of it. The "crime" was no big deal, the spin - that included blaming Clinton - is the problem going forward.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lawsuits and blaming it on everyone BUT where it belonged.
Segami
(14,923 posts)would have tried resolving the data breach issues privately behind closed doors amongst campaign reps.
Why did the DNC go public and run to the MSM and chance besmirching a candidate's image when the early info was sketchy at best.? Why didn't the DNC wait and try resolving these issues in private behind close doors?
senz
(11,945 posts)That's the real issue.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)It was high time the Sanders campaign and the DNC started acting like adults.
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Can't read your article, there is a giant bottle of Grey Goose Vodka floating above it.
have a sip!
senz
(11,945 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Relish in it!
We had the machine by the reproductive organs.
WE KICKED THEIR ASS!
Thanks, Red.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)They just have to be right. They reach a deal-- can't just leave it at that, they have to turn it into a victory and try to stomp on their opponent.
Do they even realize they'll need the DNC's help if they win the primary?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)if Dems want to retain the White House?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)accommodate the man?
Does Sanders understand there are rules and ethical behaviors that need to be respected?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)But it can be simultaneously true that the Sanders campaign handled it badly.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)They cannot even recognize how much this taints and hurts Sanders, and they all continue to do the same thing, even now.
If they had just said, ... It was wrong, my apologies. Lets fix this, it would have been a blip. Maybe even gotten some respect. But, they have to do this, and it is downright foolish.
Further, this is what they are suggesting they want a a president. Someone who would resolve issues, delicate world event issues, in this manner.
Sanders did not even have the righteousness to address the supporters attacking Clinton, the victim, as if she had a hand in it. What kind of man would let his people spend all day attacking the victim, and not stand up and speak out? that makes no sense that this man did not even consider addressing this.
It was all about covering his and his peoples ass in bravado.
We had that in Bushco. I do not want another one.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)And there is a debate tomorrow night. If you think he isn't prepared to take questions on this, you are going to be very butt hurt.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)base support. Ya think?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)The DNC was in breach of contract (read the lawsuit) and they know they would have had their ass handed to them in court. Game over.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and not a tantrum and shifting blame.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)And that was a result of the incompetent manner in which the DNC handled this.
Its not stealing either. No one hacked Clinton's data.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts).....or more importantly, the software provider that enabled this to happen in the first place.
I have no problem with Hillary Clinton. I'll vote for her if she is the nominee. But the fact that you can't see this outside of rosey, stain glass windows is disturbing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)"As we stated earlier today, we also want a full, independent accounting of the Sanders campaign's actions, as well as assurances that no data or strategic insight from this act of intrusion will be used by his campaign. This was an egregious breach of data and ethics"
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)But it makes for a flashy headline, so that's what Bernie people will go with.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)was VERY serious. That was the White House speaking.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)did a data breach into the Obama campaign's data using EXCACTLY the same method. Obama recognized it for what it was and sent out Axelrod.