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BREAKING: DNC caves to Bernie Sanders, campaign regains access to voter database (Original Post) rsexaminer Dec 2015 OP
It's amazing what we can accomplish when we stand together. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #1
Absolutely. senz Dec 2015 #7
Looks to me as if DNC is being more than fair to Sanders campaign. If "cave" makes Hoyt Dec 2015 #2
Would they have been so fair without a good lawsuit? I doubt it. jfern Dec 2015 #3
Wouldn't have needed a law suit if he hired better people. That's the real issue. Hoyt Dec 2015 #5
Hoyt... you have one of my favorite people in the whole wide world Fawke Em Dec 2015 #11
This is not good for Democrats, including Sanders and Clinton. Sanders staff should have taken Hoyt Dec 2015 #43
Or simply agreed to do what DNC asked from the beginning instead of waiting all day, threatening seabeyond Dec 2015 #12
Adults acting in good faith on behalf of the Democratic party's best interest Segami Dec 2015 #14
No. Wouldn't have needed it if DNC had hired competent database providers. senz Dec 2015 #15
Wouldn't have needed a law suit if the DNC hadn't breached their contract. That's the real issue. OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #22
I'm glad it was settled. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #4
Sorry, way too many huge pop-ups and ads on your blog. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #6
LMAO Dem2 Dec 2015 #8
Check out Adblock. No pop-ups. And it's free. senz Dec 2015 #18
Thanks! emulatorloo Dec 2015 #44
Ah, hell. WE KICKED THEIR ASS! Fawke Em Dec 2015 #9
Sanders agrees to DNC demands. Ergo, caves. Lol. Kinda like, steal data ... Clintons fault. seabeyond Dec 2015 #10
They can't help themselves. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #13
Does the DNC understand they need to work with and support the Bernie campaign Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #17
does that include "working with" a campaign stealing opponents data? How far do people have to seabeyond Dec 2015 #20
Stealing. You stick with that. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #30
I surely will. Theft, cheating. seabeyond Dec 2015 #31
I don't think the DNC handled this very well either. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #21
this is how Sanders, his staff, and his supporters handled it from the start. They learned nothing. seabeyond Dec 2015 #19
If you think this taints and hurts Sanders, you are really out of touch with our base. phleshdef Dec 2015 #39
Uh, what did I see in the polls just today? 59% Clinton, 26% Sanders? Facts matter, when discussing seabeyond Dec 2015 #40
Yea, I remember a guy named Barack Obama being in a similar situation in 2007 phleshdef Dec 2015 #41
"you are really out of touch with our base" You made the statement. The base supports Clinton. seabeyond Dec 2015 #42
Actually no. coyote Dec 2015 #23
Sanders complied. He should have from moment one, since he was the cause, thru his staff. seabeyond Dec 2015 #24
What did he comply with? And if he complied with anything, why is that a bad mark against him? phleshdef Dec 2015 #28
I did not say it was a bad mark. He should have done it from the start so we could see presidential seabeyond Dec 2015 #29
The Clinton campaign, the DNC and the Sander campaign all threw tantrums. phleshdef Dec 2015 #32
Sanders people stole data from Clinton and still she was the adult in the room. seabeyond Dec 2015 #33
No. The Clinton campaign started talking about criminal charges and neglected to criticize the DNC. phleshdef Dec 2015 #36
You are right. I do not have an issue with her statements when addressing theft from her campaign. seabeyond Dec 2015 #38
Not really KingFlorez Dec 2015 #16
Did the DNC grant the Sanders campaign access back to the VAN data or not? phleshdef Dec 2015 #25
I expected this. Someone likely convinced DWS she was fucking this up. phleshdef Dec 2015 #26
Axelrod coming out PUBLICALLY against her decision Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #27
good point nt grasswire Dec 2015 #34
Axe know what the hell is up, anyone that denies that might as well deny global warming. phleshdef Dec 2015 #35
Remember, the Hillary Clinton campaign Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #37
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. It's amazing what we can accomplish when we stand together.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:15 AM
Dec 2015

Hundreds of thousands of people stood up today against the DNC and look what happened. This is a great win.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
7. Absolutely.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:25 AM
Dec 2015

We the people have more power than we realize. Let's remember that in the coming months!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Looks to me as if DNC is being more than fair to Sanders campaign. If "cave" makes
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:18 AM
Dec 2015

you feel better, OK.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
11. Hoyt... you have one of my favorite people in the whole wide world
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:35 AM
Dec 2015

as your avatar (I live in Knoxville, too, so... I have stories).

That said... we just kicked ass. We were strong. We held on. Our "machine" is beating fascism.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
43. This is not good for Democrats, including Sanders and Clinton. Sanders staff should have taken
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:09 AM
Dec 2015

action and left Clinton out of it. The "crime" was no big deal, the spin - that included blaming Clinton - is the problem going forward.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. Or simply agreed to do what DNC asked from the beginning instead of waiting all day, threatening
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:36 AM
Dec 2015

lawsuits and blaming it on everyone BUT where it belonged.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
14. Adults acting in good faith on behalf of the Democratic party's best interest
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:38 AM
Dec 2015

would have tried resolving the data breach issues privately behind closed doors amongst campaign reps.

Why did the DNC go public and run to the MSM and chance besmirching a candidate's image when the early info was sketchy at best.? Why didn't the DNC wait and try resolving these issues in private behind close doors?




 

senz

(11,945 posts)
15. No. Wouldn't have needed it if DNC had hired competent database providers.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:38 AM
Dec 2015

That's the real issue.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
22. Wouldn't have needed a law suit if the DNC hadn't breached their contract. That's the real issue.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:50 AM
Dec 2015

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
6. Sorry, way too many huge pop-ups and ads on your blog.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:22 AM
Dec 2015

Can't read your article, there is a giant bottle of Grey Goose Vodka floating above it.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
9. Ah, hell. WE KICKED THEIR ASS!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:33 AM
Dec 2015

Relish in it!

We had the machine by the reproductive organs.

WE KICKED THEIR ASS!

Thanks, Red.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
13. They can't help themselves.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:37 AM
Dec 2015

They just have to be right. They reach a deal-- can't just leave it at that, they have to turn it into a victory and try to stomp on their opponent.

Do they even realize they'll need the DNC's help if they win the primary?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
17. Does the DNC understand they need to work with and support the Bernie campaign
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:41 AM
Dec 2015

if Dems want to retain the White House?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. does that include "working with" a campaign stealing opponents data? How far do people have to
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:45 AM
Dec 2015

accommodate the man?

Does Sanders understand there are rules and ethical behaviors that need to be respected?

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
21. I don't think the DNC handled this very well either.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:47 AM
Dec 2015

But it can be simultaneously true that the Sanders campaign handled it badly.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
19. this is how Sanders, his staff, and his supporters handled it from the start. They learned nothing.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:43 AM
Dec 2015

They cannot even recognize how much this taints and hurts Sanders, and they all continue to do the same thing, even now.

If they had just said, ... It was wrong, my apologies. Lets fix this, it would have been a blip. Maybe even gotten some respect. But, they have to do this, and it is downright foolish.

Further, this is what they are suggesting they want a a president. Someone who would resolve issues, delicate world event issues, in this manner.

Sanders did not even have the righteousness to address the supporters attacking Clinton, the victim, as if she had a hand in it. What kind of man would let his people spend all day attacking the victim, and not stand up and speak out? that makes no sense that this man did not even consider addressing this.

It was all about covering his and his peoples ass in bravado.

We had that in Bushco. I do not want another one.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
39. If you think this taints and hurts Sanders, you are really out of touch with our base.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:30 AM
Dec 2015

And there is a debate tomorrow night. If you think he isn't prepared to take questions on this, you are going to be very butt hurt.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
40. Uh, what did I see in the polls just today? 59% Clinton, 26% Sanders? Facts matter, when discussing
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:38 AM
Dec 2015

base support. Ya think?

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
23. Actually no.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:50 AM
Dec 2015

The DNC was in breach of contract (read the lawsuit) and they know they would have had their ass handed to them in court. Game over.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. I did not say it was a bad mark. He should have done it from the start so we could see presidential
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:02 AM
Dec 2015

and not a tantrum and shifting blame.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
32. The Clinton campaign, the DNC and the Sander campaign all threw tantrums.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:05 AM
Dec 2015

And that was a result of the incompetent manner in which the DNC handled this.

Its not stealing either. No one hacked Clinton's data.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
36. No. The Clinton campaign started talking about criminal charges and neglected to criticize the DNC.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:11 AM
Dec 2015

.....or more importantly, the software provider that enabled this to happen in the first place.

I have no problem with Hillary Clinton. I'll vote for her if she is the nominee. But the fact that you can't see this outside of rosey, stain glass windows is disturbing.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
38. You are right. I do not have an issue with her statements when addressing theft from her campaign.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:22 AM
Dec 2015
Hillary Clinton’s campaign alleged on Friday evening that Bernie Sanders staffers engaged in what was “potentially a crime,” and demanded the Sanders campaign prove they don’t still have access to the breached voter files.


"We hope the Court will resolve this matter tonight and the Sanders campaign has access to their voter files right away, with adequate protections of our proprietary information, which we understand could be completed in short order".

"As we stated earlier today, we also want a full, independent accounting of the Sanders campaign's actions, as well as assurances that no data or strategic insight from this act of intrusion will be used by his campaign. This was an egregious breach of data and ethics"

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
27. Axelrod coming out PUBLICALLY against her decision
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:59 AM
Dec 2015

was VERY serious. That was the White House speaking.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
37. Remember, the Hillary Clinton campaign
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:12 AM
Dec 2015

did a data breach into the Obama campaign's data using EXCACTLY the same method. Obama recognized it for what it was and sent out Axelrod.

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