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I guess Bernie shares one thing in common with Trump. (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2015 OP
That's a ridiculous assertion... eom Leftyforever Dec 2015 #1
Let this turd sink everyone. Fearless Dec 2015 #2
I'm tempted to alert on this, but I won't. SheilaT Dec 2015 #3
Thanks, SheilaT. elleng Dec 2015 #6
Why would you alert n this? moobu2 Dec 2015 #59
No, they didn't steal anything. SheilaT Dec 2015 #70
I think there are more similarities than just one. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #4
Moh Leftyforever Dec 2015 #8
They both have bad hair. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #9
again.. you are showing your deep reflective Leftyforever Dec 2015 #10
insults are all they got. roguevalley Dec 2015 #11
please read the post i responded too... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #13
Critical thinking at work. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #17
Yes, Bernie has bad hair. freedom fighter jh Dec 2015 #48
I believe that Sanders has proved himself to be corrupt, dishonest, and MohRokTah Dec 2015 #49
You believed that ever since he dared to challenge Clinton Armstead Dec 2015 #67
How immature AllyCat Dec 2015 #55
If I brought up more of the REAL similarities MohRokTah Dec 2015 #56
So you engage in nonsense posts about a person's AllyCat Dec 2015 #62
I brought up two more similarities. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #63
That poster wants the Supreme Court to stay conservative. morningfog Dec 2015 #50
Strange that your Clinton friends all say they'll take Trump over Sanders then Scootaloo Dec 2015 #20
That's baloney. elleng Dec 2015 #5
Have you switched from MOM to Bernie? SunSeeker Dec 2015 #14
The MOM team is well aware of the DNC bias. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #22
MOM's campaign did not steal Clinton data like Sanders' campaign did. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #23
The issue here is the DNC biased overreaction to disadvantage Sanders campaign - and only them. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #24
The issue here is the Sanders campaign stole data, a federal crime. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #25
Then the DNC should take it to court - which they are afraid to do. Not much of a case, maybe? Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #26
The DNC is not a criminal prosecutor. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #29
* sigh * Because private entities cannot take things to court? Or report a crime? Really... Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #30
I am pretty sure at this point that DOJ is aware of the incident. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #35
There was no theft. elleng Dec 2015 #65
Yes, there certainly appears there was. Uretsky saved data. Why else did Bernie fire him? SunSeeker Dec 2015 #72
Here: elleng Dec 2015 #73
The Snopes post is outdated and does not reflect the audit findings I list. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #74
The DNC didn't shut out Clinton when she accessed Obama's data in 2008 Scootaloo Dec 2015 #31
No, I haven't switched. elleng Dec 2015 #64
Bluster Bluster Bluster. bernie needs to apologize to Hillary. his team stole her data. Cha Dec 2015 #7
You are right. Bernie needs to apologize to Hillary tonight during the debate. Alfresco Dec 2015 #54
Yeah, we shall see. Cha Dec 2015 #58
That is the end game Iliyah Dec 2015 #12
I wish that arrogant Clinton supporters like you were just trolling, but unfortunately w4rma Dec 2015 #15
Looked in the mirror? Iliyah Dec 2015 #16
Agree Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #18
too true Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #19
Flawed argument and then some. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #21
and HRC will go wherever the money takes her since that what motivates her Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #27
Except he isn't in trouble, DWS is AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #28
So BS's campaign accessed data ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #32
Allegedly AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #33
If the wrongdoing is merely alleged ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #36
No, DWS called for an audit and Bernie finally agreed to cooperate. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #37
lol AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #38
The audit is already well under way and things aren't looking good for the Sanders campaign. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #39
WOW what a nice pic! Thanks. I guess taking pictures with fellow Americans Iliyah Dec 2015 #34
I don't think many would really care who YOU take a pic with, YOU Bohunk68 Dec 2015 #40
Oh my GAWD - LOL Iliyah Dec 2015 #43
You made the statement. It is right there. Bohunk68 Dec 2015 #45
WOW, OK Iliyah Dec 2015 #46
So, you are NOT admitting at all that you said, "FELLOW REPUBLICAN?" Bohunk68 Dec 2015 #47
also they're both RACISTS! !!!! Enrique Dec 2015 #41
+1 stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #44
K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #42
Hillary shares one thing in Common With Republicans Sky Masterson Dec 2015 #51
I would not go that far Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #52
I'm not sure Sanders isn't a demagogue. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #53
Get over yourself. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #57
Bernie Sanders doesn't like the media asking questions moobu2 Dec 2015 #60
Naw. They're both political party OUTSIDERS. Festivito Dec 2015 #61
I see more than just that in common. Nt seabeyond Dec 2015 #66
They both heart guns too. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #68
Jury Results TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #69
They are following Trumps model... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #71

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
59. Why would you alert n this?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:10 AM
Dec 2015

The Bernie campaign stole Hillary's campaign material and tried to bully the DNC to get away with it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
70. No, they didn't steal anything.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:52 PM
Dec 2015

A firewall was allowed to go down. The IT guy is connected to Hillary, and the firewall problem has apparently been an on-going problem. Clearly the IT people are incompetent at best. A lot of people think that it may have been an attempt to lure the Sanders people into doing something wrong, but I have no opinion on that hypothesis. Meanwhile, it was the SANDERS campaign that reported the problem, and they were the ones punished. Which alas, is what almost always happens to whistleblowers. They weren't trying to get away with anything, just insisted they get back the access to the entire data base that they were entitled to.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that Clinton people took a good look at the Sanders side of the downed firewall, but have not had the integrity to say so.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. They both have bad hair.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:12 AM
Dec 2015

There's two.

They both yell a lot when on the stump.

There's three.

I could go on.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
48. Yes, Bernie has bad hair.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:55 AM
Dec 2015

I believe that Bernie is the best hope this country's got, and that this data thing is the DNC's desperate attempt to secure Bernie's defeat at any cost. But I'll concede that yes, Bernie has bad hair.

Very bad hair.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
49. I believe that Sanders has proved himself to be corrupt, dishonest, and
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:59 AM
Dec 2015

that he is unfit to serve even in his current capacity as a Senator.

AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
62. So you engage in nonsense posts about a person's
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:35 AM
Dec 2015

Appearance? Make your point then instead of hiding behind playground insults.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
50. That poster wants the Supreme Court to stay conservative.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:01 AM
Dec 2015

He has contempt for liberal justices, just so you know.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
5. That's baloney.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:05 AM
Dec 2015

Too difficult to read FACTS, I guess.

As Hepburn said, 'Bernie had a total winner on his petn for injunctive relief. IMO, all they are doing now is mitigating the damages which were alleged in the alternative causes of action in the petn.'

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
14. Have you switched from MOM to Bernie?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:33 AM
Dec 2015

What's with the insulting ("Too difficult to read FACTS, I guess.&quot personal attack? You're better than this, elleng.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
22. The MOM team is well aware of the DNC bias.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:19 AM
Dec 2015

Remember: it was O'Malley who first complained about the rigging of the debates (number of times, dates...). Team MOM can see that what happened to Sanders could easilly have happened to them to. And they are too Democratic to let DWS get away with it.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
24. The issue here is the DNC biased overreaction to disadvantage Sanders campaign - and only them.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:29 AM
Dec 2015

If the DNC had sucha strong case that Sanders campaign had "stolen" data (accessed is a better word here), whey were they afraid to take it to court?

The bias from team Clinton and DWS is now apparent for everyone to see. And it is ugly to behold.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
26. Then the DNC should take it to court - which they are afraid to do. Not much of a case, maybe?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:36 AM
Dec 2015

But please keep repeating today's attempt at talking points in favour of Clinton. She was due another round of victimhood I guess.

Let us know when we are to return to the usual program of "racist, sexist, socialist, 9/11."

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
35. I am pretty sure at this point that DOJ is aware of the incident.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:48 AM
Dec 2015

It is up to DOJ if they want to prosecute.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
72. Yes, there certainly appears there was. Uretsky saved data. Why else did Bernie fire him?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:14 PM
Dec 2015

Here are some of those "FACTS" you claim are "too difficult to read":

Though the Sanders campaign initially claimed that it had not saved Clinton data, the logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to older voters, "HFA Turnout 60-100" and "HFA Support 50-100," that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin's account searched for and saved lists including "HFA Support <30" in Iowa and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

Summaries of data logs provided to the AP show the Sanders team spent nearly an hour in the database reviewing information on Clinton's high-priority voters and other data from nearly a dozen states, including first-to-vote Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Some of these voter lists were saved into a folder named "Targets," according to the logs. Uretsky's deputy appeared to focus on pulling data on South Carolina and Iowa voters based on turnout and support — or lack of support — for Clinton.

The Sanders campaign employees who accessed the Clinton voter information without authorization appear to have run afoul of the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, said Jason Weinstein, a former supervisor of the Justice Department's computer crimes section.

Those employees "have reason to be concerned about legal exposure," he said, for what appears to fit the definition of illegal hacking.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da7e5f2765814506a2519ea03055c1e6/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-after-breach

Audits of the NGP VAN program show that four accounts linked to Sanders made 24 separate efforts to save the Clinton data within the system and one effort to export the data to a spreadsheet. 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5674ed13e4b0b958f656d9ee

Uretsky himself admits saving data:
The former data director for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)’s presidential campaign said Friday that staffers for the campaign accessed and saved voter information from opponent Hillary Clinton...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/josh-uretsky-clinton-data-breach

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
74. The Snopes post is outdated and does not reflect the audit findings I list.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:24 PM
Dec 2015

Same with the vendor's earlier attempt to downplay the breach.

What else you got?

elleng

(130,974 posts)
64. No, I haven't switched.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:06 PM
Dec 2015

My point is it doesn't take a genius, or a law degree, which I (and Hepburn have) to conclude that DNC/DWS wronged Sanders in this action. And DNC has been wronging all 'other than hrc' candidates.

Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
54. You are right. Bernie needs to apologize to Hillary tonight during the debate.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:19 AM
Dec 2015

We will see if integrity is one of his strengths, tonight.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
15. I wish that arrogant Clinton supporters like you were just trolling, but unfortunately
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:43 AM
Dec 2015

ya'll seem to be, pretty much, the standard for activist Clinton supporters.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
16. Looked in the mirror?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:53 AM
Dec 2015

Really, threads upon threads trashing HRC and her supporters, but I guess that's ok.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
21. Flawed argument and then some.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:17 AM
Dec 2015

In a similar way we could say:

Evita Perron was an important female politician, and known to be deeply corrupt. Clinton is also an important female politician, therefore we will compare her to Perron. Even though we could also compare her to female politicians not known for blatant corruption, we are going to make just this one comparison.

Why: because it slanders the man / woman.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
32. So BS's campaign accessed data ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:46 AM
Dec 2015

... they knew they had no right to access - but it's DWS who's "in trouble"?

You can't make this shit up. You really can't.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
36. If the wrongdoing is merely alleged ...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:55 AM
Dec 2015

... than why did Bernie fire a staff member for engaging in wrongdoing?

Did BS just throw him under the bus for kicks? If Bernie doesn't know or firmly believe that said employee is actually guilty of something, why did he fire him?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
38. lol
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:02 AM
Dec 2015

She reacted to being sued, trying to save her own corrupt skin. Thanks for the free exposure, finally, DWS/Hillary!

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
39. The audit is already well under way and things aren't looking good for the Sanders campaign.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:10 AM
Dec 2015
Audits of the NGP VAN program show that four accounts linked to Sanders made 24 separate efforts to save the Clinton data within the system and one effort to export the data to a spreadsheet. 
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5674ed13e4b0b958f656d9ee

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
34. WOW what a nice pic! Thanks. I guess taking pictures with fellow Americans
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:48 AM
Dec 2015

from opposing parties is prohibited and may be suspect. I'll keep that in mind when I attend a fellow Republican's dress or not event and be sure not to take pictures.

Geez

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
40. I don't think many would really care who YOU take a pic with, YOU
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:16 AM
Dec 2015

are not running for President on the Democratic ticket. Which since you just stated that: "when I attend a FELLOW Republican's dress or not event," indicates that you are saying you are a Republican. Very telling, indeed.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
45. You made the statement. It is right there.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:25 AM
Dec 2015

Are you now denying that you did not say someone was a FELLOW Republican?

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
47. So, you are NOT admitting at all that you said, "FELLOW REPUBLICAN?"
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:35 AM
Dec 2015

I really am not concerned about who you vote for, unless it is a Republic. Not an attack, I asked you a question and you did not answer the question, just called it an attack. And then you gave me the "F*** You" symbol.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
51. Hillary shares one thing in Common With Republicans
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:03 AM
Dec 2015

Play dirty to win by adding obstacles to the path of your opponents.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
52. I would not go that far
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:08 AM
Dec 2015

I think Bernie has not handled this very well at all. I was deeply disappointed that a man who is prized for his integrity did not simply allow the audit, cooperate with the DNC, and made sure that all the guilty parties get fired. Instead he chose to make politics out of this and sue the DNC. Yes, the DNC prefers Hillary - duh. She's been a significant Democrat for years. Bernie has been one for all of 5 minutes. But that bias would not have been an issue if Bernie's campaign people did not go snooping in Clinton's files. And the fact that Bernie supporters immediately started blaming Hillary for the whole mess has been seriously off-putting.

But to compare Bernie to Trump is not right. Trump is a demagogue whose ideas are akin to those of Adolf Hitler. Bernie may have shown less than wonderful leadership in this situation, but he does not deserve to be compared to that horrible man, in any way.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
53. I'm not sure Sanders isn't a demagogue.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:10 AM
Dec 2015

His actions during this scandal certainly are similar to the actions of past demagogues in similar situations.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
60. Bernie Sanders doesn't like the media asking questions
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:19 AM
Dec 2015

without him controlling what the questions are either.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
61. Naw. They're both political party OUTSIDERS.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:53 AM
Dec 2015

All politicians bluster their way in and out of politics in general.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
69. Jury Results
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

guess Bernie shares one thing in common with Trump.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251918331

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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
71. They are following Trumps model...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:55 PM
Dec 2015

Of how to get media attention. We have been jokingly telling them how to do it. Lol

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