It allows targeting of resources for maximum effect. Indeed, a file they saved the data to was named "Target."

And, yes, there should be a full - independent - investigation.

It was not the first time the firewall had been found down. Why use such faulty software? An investigation will go back to why protocol was so poor in the past yet the vendor could not fix it.

And, the breach goes both ways. Maybe the firewall was intentionally down so Martin's campaign could grab data while the eyes were on Bernie. An investigation will show that.

Plus, pure incompetence of the vendor and DNC staff. Typical protocol is to lock everyone out when the firewall is compromised. Why on hell would they not do that with our sensitive data? This needs to be investigated.

At the very least, the vendor needs to be replaced.

A full investigation is indeed needed.

investigation is needed. And any staff, whichever candidate, that searches an opponent's data must be totally stupid. One has to be pretty lame to not understand something like this would happen.

I like both Hillary and Bernie. I just want to see a democrat in the WH 2016. This episode makes the DNC look incapable of protecting data and believe me, Trump and company will take full advantage of this to point out democrats as untrustworthy and incapable of data security.

The best approach IMO would have been to take the entire database down temporarily while an initial investigation was done at minimal to check the integrity of the firewall. And IMO any staffer involved should be fired immediately if found to be a party to this.

"... any staffer involved should be fired immediately if found to be a party to this."

And, the vendor needs to be replaced.

BTW - as much as I like Bernie, I'll vote for Hillary if she wins the primary. However, for everyone's sake, the DNC needs to take care of the problem right away so it isn't a talking point for whichever candidate wins.

Hillary would be OK with me.

As reported, the Sanders campaign did not want to cooperate in the investigation. The system would be restored as soon as they comply.

There is no question some of Sander's staff were wrong - that's why someone was fired. Chances are others may be fired too. The DNC wants to see computers or talk to other staff. Why doesn't the Sander's staff comply? Is there something else that will be revealed by an investigation? Why the defensiveness?

The DNC's MOU has a right to demand that Hillary's data (or anyone else's) is not in the hands of other campaigns.

Frankly, Sander's campaign should apologize, fire the culprits, and cooperate with the investigation. Acting "righteous" and filing lawsuits is typical of the Bernie "style", but I think it's a big turnoff for many voters.

Hillary has been very honest about mistakes - like using the private email was a mistake in hindsight even though it amounted to nothing in the end. Bernie needs to take responsibility for his staff's mistakes and fix it.

As soon as the Sander's team cooperates with the DNC, they will get rolling again.

It also reveals that they cannot be counted on as allies and are not trustworthy. Sanders is just another weaselly career politician who is adept at hiding his own personal brand of smarminess behind sanctimony.

Vile smears against a Democratic nominee. You should be ashamed of yourself.

disgustingly worse ways here than I would ever state about Sanders. Not everyone holds your opinion of him. There is a reason why we oppose him. I am speaking my opinion, which I am entitled to hold. You disagree with me. I will still vote for him in the GE if he wins the primary. I just don't trust him in a number of areas.

They saw an opportunity, and they thought they could get away with it. It never even crossed their minds to NOT download the illicit data. And when they were caught, they tried to deflect blame to literally everyone else - and still are.

Hillary will mention this inconvenient fact.

Good to see him playing to win.

with the voter rolls. And probably worse. Bernie raised the issue months ago. The DNC ignored him.

This is the DNC's problem. I just hope it helps Bernie in the end. His team should know what the Clinton expectation is in the early states now. I'm glad they have that info.

did the same".

And I don't trust Hillary.

Sanders supporters went from "they didn't do it!" to "good for them!" when the facts came out.

Link to me claiming it didn't happen?

Upping their arms sales.

Or voting to invade Iraq.

Imo

voter ID laws and voter purging. The Bernie-Come-Latelies want to ride the backs of Democratic work horses and whip them like rented mules.

who hate her.

Link please.

There are audit trails showing Sanders staffers accessing Clinton data. Nothing has come up showing Clinton or O'Malley staffers doing anything similar.

They are getting press and have no idea how to react.

Nothing like pulling back the veil to see the man behind it.

for months. Yet here he is.

He is trying to take on the ultimate insider, Hillary is the big money machine. It has always been a near impossibility and that has not changed.

It certainly won't now that DWS has started backpedaling.

Oh--this hard data--the Truth will stick!


The logs tell the story of who got what information. If the Clinton camp had tapped into the Sanders camp information and searched it for specific information--you can bet the farm, they would have let the media know by now. Instead what we have in the logs showing the the Sanders staff tapped into the Clinton proprietary data and did specific searches for specific information


"the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information."

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

...............According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.


The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach.

“We were informed that our proprietary data was breached by Sanders campaign staff in 25 searches by four different accounts and that this data was saved into the Sanders’ campaign account,” said spokesman Brian Fallon. “We are asking that the Sanders campaign and the DNC work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign’s account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data.”

Moreover, the Sanders staffers who carried out the breach included a top lieutenant for the Vermont senator: Josh Uretsky, the national data director for the campaign.

The Sanders campaign denied that it had downloaded any data, saying that it did not retain information from the Clinton campaign.

“They didn’t download it—they went in looked around,” said Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs, who announced Thursday the campaign was firing Utersky and that they were treating the matter seriously.

Uretsky also told MSNBC that the campaign “did not export any records or voter file data” and was simply trying “to document and understand the scope of the problem.”.................

So your article is meaningless corporate spin.

to see if you have an open entry point some day. Then I want to go in and look at and handle your belongings, make a sandwich and get a drink, play games on your computer and watch a movie on your Netflix account. Then I am going to leave and blame you when you have to pay for the movie, figure out if anything else is missing or damaged, and for th cost of the food consumed. Oh, sorry I messed up your Minecraft world, but I was just testing how large your security breach was...for your own good. You want I should give your stuff back? In its original condition? Well, I didn't do anything wrong. It's all your fault because you shouldn't have left.

DWS thought she had destroyed the Sanders campaign, and it blew up in her face. It's a huge, huge win for Sanders.

because you won't be to blame.

I just love the selective ethical standards of the BS campaign and its supporters.

The Genie is out of the bottle and DWS won't get it back in. Her sleazy, corrupt actions on behalf of Hillary are all out in the open now! Her uncharacteristically blinky, nerve wracked announcement this morning sealed her fate. Nobody believed a word of it.

Life is good!

when you don't have to live up to the ethical standard you have tried to stake out as higher ground. Waffling unethical behavior won't shore up a resolute "revolution." Seems like more of the same thing you all try to smear others with. "Sleazy and corrupt," I believe is your preferred label.

Now his campaign will snowball!

turds I've ever seen.

that the Clinton campaign didn't do the same?
At least Bernie had the sense to let it be known that his staffers were not behaving, and fired who I would imagine was the worst offender, and made it public. To me, this goes a long way to honesty and openness.
If the Clinton campaign did something similar, do you think that they would ever make it public?

The logs tell the story of who got what information. If the Clinton camp had tapped into the Sanders camp information and searched it for specific information--you can bet the farm, they would have let the media know by now. Instead what we have in the logs showing the the Sanders staff tapped into the Clinton proprietary data and did specific searches for specific information


"the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information."

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

...............According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.


The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach.

“We were informed that our proprietary data was breached by Sanders campaign staff in 25 searches by four different accounts and that this data was saved into the Sanders’ campaign account,” said spokesman Brian Fallon. “We are asking that the Sanders campaign and the DNC work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign’s account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data.”

Moreover, the Sanders staffers who carried out the breach included a top lieutenant for the Vermont senator: Josh Uretsky, the national data director for the campaign.

The Sanders campaign denied that it had downloaded any data, saying that it did not retain information from the Clinton campaign.

“They didn’t download it—they went in looked around,” said Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs, who announced Thursday the campaign was firing Utersky and that they were treating the matter seriously.

Uretsky also told MSNBC that the campaign “did not export any records or voter file data” and was simply trying “to document and understand the scope of the problem.”.................

as well as the Sanders side?
Just wondering.
One would imagine that they are only releasing the pertinent excerpts from the logs, and not the entire log files.
I am a DP/IT person, I can read the entire thing, and tell you. Until I see it, I shall presume that the only looked at the log files of the Bernie campaign.

If you would avail yourself of the number of IT accounts of what is normal and not in IT world, I think you will have to admit that you have entirely overexaggerated a response to what actually occurred.

Just as DWS and the Hillary camp have done.

broke the law, although it is unlikely any charges will be pursued.

The only folks who clearly "broke the law" here is the DNC.

The contract between the DNC and all campaigns states that, pertaining to the data system’s use, formal notice in writing is required if either side believes the other has violated the rules on privacy. Additionally, each side is supposed to be allowed 10 days to address any concerns.

Instead, they chose to shut down one candidate's access to even their own voting information.

The DNC and DWS clearly showed their rather biased colors here, and deserve all the negative fallout they are currently experiencing. I hope the negative fallout continues until they prove they are an impartial, unbiased organization that can properly supervise this extremely important nomination and election process. There is absolutely no room in this process for their extreme bias, and it serves nobody. Not Hillary, not the voters, not the Democratic Party, not our chances in November.

that affects that language) but breaking a contract isn't the same as breaking a law.

The type of law he appeared to break can carry criminal penalties. Breaking a contract wouldn't.

It's looking like worse case scenario.

I have to suspect Sanders was involved early on.

I've not once seen you post something that wasnt an attack or snark.

Is he a man of integrity? We shall see.

America was tired of Hillary's damn emails because he is responsible for the DNC peoples IT breakdowns or Hillary's SoS emails? Sanders is a man of excellent integrity: toward Hillary Clinton also.

Bernie alerted in October. Both could read each other's rolls. Downloading gets caught but not reading right? Clinton isn't exonerated. No coincidence the CEO of the data firm worked for the Clintons. More BS.

I am all for an investigation of the entire episode. Make people testify under oath. That would have happened had the DNC not relented on letting Sanders have access to his own data.

Whatever the truth is, ok. Maybe these blind quotes are not bullshit. Maybe they are bullshit.


That is what the DNC should be doing, insisting on an investigation. The problem for you Hillary people is that shutting off Sanders from access to his own data has nothing whatsoever to do with an investigation. I saw Debbie on TV saying that the she had the right to do that. But when staring at the Court House door and deciding she not to enter, she pretty well showed the world that she had no such right at all.

Or maybe your story is that she did not cave. Under this version of Hillary Rap, now after successfully pressuring him into cooperating, she can conduct an investigation. If so, your blind quotes and furious assertions of "stealing" will be either vindicated or laughed off the stage by that investigation. For now they are partisan argumentation, and not very persuasive to me.

You can make another talking point accusation by asserting that this was the only way to make Sanders cooperate and I will laugh my ass off. If the Head of the DNC were to call a press conference and say that there is reason to believe that candidate X stole confidential information from Candidate Y -- and now Candidate X refuses to cooperate with our investigation, that would pretty well force Candidate X to come clean.

This was a bizarre move by DWS. If you folks have any legitimacy to your attacks on this topic, you should be aiming your fire also at DWS for her incompetence and cowardice.


What you are left with now are your talking points and your sudden resonance with each other, all saying the same thing over and over again. Steal. Steal. Steal. Good luck with that.




I love the blind quotes ALSO rationalizing why Hillary is not going to make a big deal because they are afraid of "liberal groups." That pretty much tells the story of Hillary Clinton in a single blind quote. Getting to the truth might be damaging politically.

That's your candidate, all right.

So unless the Sanders campaign drops the suit (which I think it should do as soon as Monday) then it's going to really be damaging. Because the "any measures necessary" clause in the contract gives the DNC the full right to stop data after a breach.

Had she "entered the Court House door" the DNC's lawyers would have had to fight the injunction, and they would have won, and then the DNC and indeed the entire Democratic party would be in shambles. It was a political move, not a judicial move.

There is no breach tonight.

Yup it was a political move alright. And you think the party is not in a shambles now?

Despite efforts to the contrary.

And we'll see what happens with the lawsuit. If the Sanders campaign does not drop it it could be very damaging. There's no hope to win it.

I suppose you can play ping pong all day.

The party is not doing fine. The DNC tried to destroy Sanders campaign and Sanders fought back with a law suit. Look at this board and check out the party unity. You think getting to the truth will make it worse?

It will for your candidate.

...my candidate is in peril. There is no lawsuit to be had because the data is accessible and the DNC was within its right to stop the data after a breach.

Weaver is a loose cannon and the way he handled the data breach was atrocious. Russell Drapkin, Hawley Brett, and former NGP VAN architect Ali Nikseresht need to be fired as well.

Unlike most Sanders supporters I can smell shit when I see it, and a clean up is necessary to restore the integrity of the campaign.

a legal degree and lots of court experience.

some of the same people that defend the government hiring private corporations to invade every aspect of our lives are so up in arms about a campaign opening some folder on a hard drive.

Two nameless "sources" make up a load of bullshit to support Herself and her lackeys. And that's what passes for reporting these days.

information too. The information was not stolen, the firewall failed and it was revealed without breaking into Clinton information. So it is really not stealing as Debbie or Clinton states.

that is so damning. The question is whether this was an idea hatched among a few young and inexperienced campaign workers or if it came from above. Was it some rogue behavior or was it an action decided by senior staff? Of course Bernie has to own it and take responsibility, but does any one really think he knew about it? I think that is why an investigation is important.

I doubt if there was much planning involved

and the DNC is in violation of that contract.

said he was just leaving a note. IOWs, "I really wasn't TAKING a cookie ... really I wasn't. I was just checking to see if there were any cookies! Why don't you believe me?!? ... What crumbs on my chin?"

Somehow that makes sense, and is a perfectly acceptable explanation for some.

Fire the staffers and issue a full throated apology to the BS camp. May I suggest this to the Bernie camp. There is no defense. Stealing whether the door was open or not is stealing. Appropriating property that is not yours. Stealing.

Sanders would have to have a mole in the Clinton campaign itself to get that sort of info. What is in there is information about voters--how often they vote and who they have supported. The Washington State Democratic Party has a candidate ID question covering everyone--even Webb and Chafee--and any campaign can access it. The question was put there by the party, not any campaign.

Turnout projections are guesses made by campaigns, and that information is not in VB.

... or proof of concept. They went after very specific information that would benefit Bernie.

Corporate spin. You can spin like a top but you cannot stop the juggernaut.

We need a full independent audit of both the vendor's and the DNC's mishandling of this data.

There seem to be a lot of varying accounts about what happened, why it happened and who was responsible. Now this post reports two senior democrats, speaking with CNN, reported rather specifically as to what data was reportedly accessed.

Why? To what end?

I listened to former DNC head John Dean explain that this should be cleared up within a couple of hours while the ban was still in effect. DWS seems to have a different view. So does CNN.

Sanders is not following an "excuse me for daring to run" campaign. There will be no unanswered "swift boating" style attacks, as the law suit points out as plainly as you could want. If the case goes forward into discovery what interesting facts might be uncovered? It looks like nobody at the DNC wants to take a chance so the ban is lifted.

Meanwhile, the damage has been done but possibly not what, and to whom, it was originally thought.