They were using a different database, not the VAN database.

So, all this we've been having the same issues with THIS database is a flat out untruth.

works nice if you can say you found this flaw in THIS very same database months ago, ergo the DNC is incompetent... But it's not true, they did not find this flaw in the VAN database in Oct.

is based on a lie.

... and was promptly accused of being a liar.

Bernie's fans aren't helping their "case". (Just observing, not "concerned".)

"First, this is not the first time that the vendor hired by the DNC to run the voter file program, NGP VAN, has allowed serious failures to occur. On more than one occasion, they have dropped the firewall between the data of competing Democratic campaigns. That is dangerous incompetence. It was our campaign months ago that alerted the DNC to the fact that campaign data was being made available to other campaigns. At that time our campaign did not run to the media, relying instead on assurances from the vendor that the problem would be resolved. Unfortunately, the other day, the vendor once again dropped the firewall between the campaigns for some data."

Jeff Weaver, Bernie Sanders 2016 Campaign Manager

with a bogus premise, built on it, and are still trying to defend it.

Done

And all you had to say was "Big Fat Lie". This is not some lowly staffer. This is the head of Bernie's national campaign. Screaming "Liar" at your computer screen does not make you right.

The campaign manager is a liar.

wrote your OP. Weaver is a Big Fat Liar.

More importantly he lied to Bernie in that he did not tell him about the data theft when they got caught and Bernie, unfortunately, had to learn about it more than 24 hours later from DWS.

For that Weaver should be fired. Period. Bernie can not trust him.

I posed questions in my OP. Maybe you should hold off on demanding I 'provide proof" for my questions until you can provide proof for your declarative statements.

and the problem was resolved. It was not VAN. This was in his phone interview with Steve Kornaki, right after Jeff Weaver's press conference.

I saw it live, There is vid on the net somewhere you can probably find with a Google.

ON EDIT: Here's a link to vid:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/josh-uretsky-clinton-data-breach

> He says this is the first time VAN made this mistake.

> He says prior time was not VAN, but another database.



Like you i recognize Josh is a professional, so I take him at his word.

"...if somebody left the front door open for the 5th time, this was not the first time-this was the first time that VAN made a mistake like this"

VAN is the platform, NGP is the vendor. Josh does not clear NPG of the prior incident.

I heard on my TV that hrc dodged sniper fire with her daughter at her side.

admitting that the Sanders campaign fucked up.

But the fact remains, this has been an ongoing issue with the NGP-VAN system. This was not a one time fluke.

It sure looks like they exploited the flaw though: http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/293643104/Sanders-Campaign-Audit-Sheet-1

... says that by far the mostly likely explanation is that he was after data that he shouldn't have access to.

You see someone in a ski mask leaving a house with a broken window, holding a bunch of expensive items-- maybe, maybe, it's the homeowner who needed it and lost his keys. But very doubtful.

Best case, he tried to make a point to the vendor by deliberately tripping runtimes designed to alert them and the DNC about unauthorized access, and he got the expected response. The DNC may have gone overboard in light of the concerns about the vendor's record, but instead of working with them, Sanders completely botched the response.

Worst case, he was an opportunistic thief who thought "but the keys were in the ignition" sufficed for an excuse.

outraged their data was exposed by the DNC and it's contractor enough.

They were outraged but decided yesterday to speak to the press on background only.

They were waiting for proof that the info was destroyed/returned.

Meanwhile some of BS staff decided to trumpet the airways with their bogus outrage. Bernie's staff withheld the info from him for more than 24 hours. They have not served him well and he deserves better. Now he knows he is surrounded by people he can not trust.

were blaming the victim.

to the press and announcing their shutting off the campaign's data in violation of their own protocol agreement. But that's just me.

The DNC press release did not come out until after Weaver had started his presser.

so...

the question of who went to the press first.

DSW screwed this up bad. She's made it impossible to settle amicably, and accusations from the Clinton Campaign and the DNC "on background" -otherwise known as anonymously- of "theft", and "systemic" actions before knowing what happened is doing nothing but stoking the flames.

I can't imagine he'd support looking into other campaigns data.

in the event of a full investigation.

Again, BS deserves better.

The Clinton's leave a trail of slime just like a slug and have for 25 years. The scandals and appearances impropriety are well documented and just as numerous and continue to grow and will continue to grow. They have a proven track record of unethical decisions and actions while Sanders has a proven track record of consistent integrity but it's Sanders who is the Evil Mastermind.

A full, independent investigation (The Clintons are used to these as they're always in one) will reveal collusion between the
dnc and hrc.

The perfect place to find snakes.

and did this for close to an hour.

Why do I need to be angry at the DNC who was unaware of the flaw.

The contractor made a mistake. That doesn't mean what was done was OK.

"They not only viewed it, but they exported it and they downloaded it," Wasserman Schultz told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.


"So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign." - NGPVAN Blog


You might want to understand "what was done" before accusing people.

My facts came from the vendor. Check the link.

"So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign."

pulling one dishonest stunt after the other. The coronation committee is turning very ugly in its desperation. Must have something to do with Ann Selzer's poll.

The Clinton campaign does not need a security flaw to access the data gathered by the Sanders campaign. Both the DNC and the owners of NGP-VAN work for Clinton.

They introduced a security breach into the system and then sat back just waiting to incriminate Sanders if anybody in Sanders' staff tried to investigate the security breach by perusing data they should not have had access to.

It's Ratfucking 101 and it's so transparent that Clinton will probably end up invoking 9/11 to explain it.