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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:31 AM Dec 2015

Should Bernie start thinking about ending his campaign?

He's going to lose, by now there's no doubt about that. And his people are getting desperate enough to start stealing data, a pretty clear sign that they know they need a miracle.

And the thing is, Bernie proudly points out that a lot of his money comes from people who don't really have much extra income. A lot of them, frankly, can't afford to be donating money. Just because some people are dumb enough to dump money into Bernie's hopeless campaign doesn't mean that it's ethical for him to encourage them to do so. Basically, Bernie is selling snake oil. Talking about single payer and free college when both he and his staff know that he's going to lose and none of what he's talking about is ever going to happen.

All that raising more money does at this point is let Bernie enjoy more TV time. Maybe go on for a few more weeks, but if you've reached the point where you need dirty tricks like data theft just to keep your hopes alive, I think it's time to consider encouraging those hard-working people keep their money rather than flushing it down the Bernie fundraising toilet.

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Should Bernie start thinking about ending his campaign? (Original Post) DanTex Dec 2015 OP
No, not at all. djean111 Dec 2015 #1
Not right now. bigwillq Dec 2015 #2
No, he shouldn't. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #3
Of course he has the right to, I'm just asking whether it would be wiser to quit while he's ahead. DanTex Dec 2015 #5
The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About A Bernie Presidency - Hence Their Screw cantbeserious Dec 2015 #8
Hell no! Now's the time to double down. woodsprite Dec 2015 #4
Keep Dreaming Dan cantbeserious Dec 2015 #6
No. Why should he do that. What he should do is take the gloves , he's been far to nice bowens43 Dec 2015 #7
I think stealing data qualifies as "taking the gloves off", don't you? I mean, do you want him DanTex Dec 2015 #9
Dan - Surely You Are Mistaken - The DNC Vendor Screwed Up - Not The Sanders Campaign cantbeserious Dec 2015 #10
I know it's hard for you to believe, but I'm not mistaken. It was Sanders staffers who stole the DanTex Dec 2015 #11
Dan - This Citizen Thinks - One Is Delusional cantbeserious Dec 2015 #14
I suspect he'll go full metal sore loser MohRokTah Dec 2015 #12
I disagree, I think he'll endorse Hillary. And most of his fans will vote for her in the general. DanTex Dec 2015 #16
I love how you skip right over the third place candidate and go to Bernie. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #13
The day after a huge victory over DWS and the DNC and their attempt to kill his campaign? LOL! reformist2 Dec 2015 #15
This post inspires me to give him another $20 today pengu Dec 2015 #17
That much overconfidence isn't that healthy for you, DanTex. The Boss Dec 2015 #18
Just being realistic. The real challenge is the general. The primaries are a foregone conclusion. DanTex Dec 2015 #19
The reality is that Clinton will be a two-time loser The Boss Dec 2015 #21
I guess we'll see. Pretty soon now. DanTex Dec 2015 #22
... MoonRiver Dec 2015 #25
That poster's "Recycle Bin" avatar is an interesting choice. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #30
I hadn't noticed that! MoonRiver Dec 2015 #34
Man, you sound rather desperate. marmar Dec 2015 #20
Laughing Out Loud. Thanks for the chuckle. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #23
No. Chan790 Dec 2015 #24
Yeah that makes sense. Sanders staff steals data, the fallout hurts Hillary. DanTex Dec 2015 #26
You're oversimplifying but...yes. Chan790 Dec 2015 #38
No but Hillary should. nt Autumn Dec 2015 #27
i am torn on that one... restorefreedom Dec 2015 #44
Does posting lies make you feel proud of yourself? last1standing Dec 2015 #28
Does calling me a liar make you feel better about the Sanders campaign's thievery? DanTex Dec 2015 #29
You've posted another lie. I never called you a liar. last1standing Dec 2015 #31
You're doing it again! Anyway, enjoy your denial world where thievery by the Sanders campaign DanTex Dec 2015 #32
That's the problem: you double down on posting lies when called out. last1standing Dec 2015 #35
You calling a fact a "lie" doesn't make it any less true. DanTex Dec 2015 #36
Single payer and free college are nice ideals, but there is no real path to them anytime soon. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #33
realistic approach. i.e. Give the corporations what they want. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #39
Well this situation prompted this old fool to pony up some green tech3149 Dec 2015 #37
It's withering on the vine as we speak. Alfresco Dec 2015 #40
Maybe Hillary should Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #41
He cant because of his enormous sense of his self importance. moobu2 Dec 2015 #42
Have you considered doing a stand-up routine? panader0 Dec 2015 #43
the sky is blue here.... restorefreedom Dec 2015 #45
His campaign will be ended soon enough philosslayer Dec 2015 #46
Why? Arrogant and loves attention....like Trump. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #47
Hillary prays every night that he will SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #48
Because she is so far behind him in the polls MoonRiver Dec 2015 #53
It is a good thing that you support the same old thing SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #55
I do love myself some good projection. Fearless Dec 2015 #49
He's looking mighty weary these days. oasis Dec 2015 #50
Hilarious.... pun intended eom Leftyforever Dec 2015 #51
Nope. merrily Dec 2015 #52
His large ego won't allow it. All of his huge rallies are the most attention he has received livetohike Dec 2015 #54
Golly. I just wasted some more money on Bernie. Beats wasting it on Hillary, though. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #56
He should start writing his concession speech. Alfresco Dec 2015 #57
Excellent analysis Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #58

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
3. No, he shouldn't.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:35 AM
Dec 2015

He has the right to stay in as long as he wants. It's by no means over-- stranger things have happened in politics.

His campaign messed up in a huge fashion this week, but he's still bringing important messages to the conversation, and I think the race is better off for him being in it.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. Of course he has the right to, I'm just asking whether it would be wiser to quit while he's ahead.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:37 AM
Dec 2015

Another screw-up like this week, and his reputation could be permanently damaged. And raising money from working people to support a dirty tricks campaign isn't exactly ethical, in my opinion.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
8. The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About A Bernie Presidency - Hence Their Screw
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

eom

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
4. Hell no! Now's the time to double down.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:36 AM
Dec 2015

It's not the time to just hand it over to the Dino's. It's never the time to just hand it over. It's too important to give up and give in.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
7. No. Why should he do that. What he should do is take the gloves , he's been far to nice
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

time to start trotting out of the decades of skeletons and baggage in hill's closet.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. I think stealing data qualifies as "taking the gloves off", don't you? I mean, do you want him
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

to start physically assaulting people?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. I know it's hard for you to believe, but I'm not mistaken. It was Sanders staffers who stole the
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:41 AM
Dec 2015

data, not the DNC.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
12. I suspect he'll go full metal sore loser
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:41 AM
Dec 2015

I think that once he loses, he'll refuse to endorse Hillary.

He always knew running as a spoiler only spoils a single election but to truly destroy a party, it must be done from within.

Given his rants against the Democratic Party over the past 30 years, I suspect his goal all along was to destroy our party.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. I disagree, I think he'll endorse Hillary. And most of his fans will vote for her in the general.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:43 AM
Dec 2015

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
13. I love how you skip right over the third place candidate and go to Bernie.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:41 AM
Dec 2015

Your fear is showing. Might want to pull those shades a bit tighter.

 

The Boss

(63 posts)
18. That much overconfidence isn't that healthy for you, DanTex.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:48 AM
Dec 2015

If Clinton does not get the nomination at the end, don't tell us that we didn't try to warn you.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. Just being realistic. The real challenge is the general. The primaries are a foregone conclusion.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:50 AM
Dec 2015
 

The Boss

(63 posts)
21. The reality is that Clinton will be a two-time loser
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:52 AM
Dec 2015

and will have to move on to a nice retirement, helping her daughter raise Charlotte.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
24. No.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:56 AM
Dec 2015

I think in the long run this may hurt Sanders in the GE a bit but I think the fallout probably takes Hillary out of this race.

She simply has more to lose unless every bit of fallout goes her way...Sanders seems largely resistant to the consequences of this; his supporters don't care, they view this as a war to wrest control of the nation away from center-rightists like Clinton and right-wingers like the GOP...war justifies many uncivil action.

Bernie may lose the battle and the day in the scandal...but it seems more-likely that Hillary's candidacy is fatally-wounded when it all shakes out.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
26. Yeah that makes sense. Sanders staff steals data, the fallout hurts Hillary.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:58 AM
Dec 2015

Logic like that explains why Bernie is so far ahead in the polls.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
38. You're oversimplifying but...yes.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:20 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie's team steals data. Bernie's supporters are like "All day long IDGAF", it's not going to change anything for them...war is uncivil and anything that takes out Clinton is justifiable. There are literally no possible consequences for this...worst-case scenario, the guy that was fired has to fall on a sword and say he did it without the knowledge or permissions of anybody above him and didn't share the results of his actions...and the buck stops with him. They can all go in and say that much and leave. He goes to prison a Scooter Libby for a few years and gets a cushy pillow upon landing on release.

Hillary, on the other hand, is the front-runner. She has more to lose. the next 3 weeks at least are going to be filled with reports and journalistic investigations into whether Camp Hillary did it too. Sanders camp's malfeasance isn't going to be newsworthy for as long because they news-vomited it all in one day and it'll clear as fast. Also, this is a discovery nightmare...if Sanders doesn't drop the lawsuit, her people are going to have to leave the campaign trail to undergo deposition and discovery...and that's the least of the problems. When they do, they either have to lie and perjure themselves...or they have to tell the truth and hand the Sanders campaign their entire strategy, playbook and information against the Sanders campaign. If they do the first, they will be stalked out of the race because people are going to go over it with a fine-tooth comb looking for the "gotcha!" lie they can indict Robbie Mook and/or Hillary Clinton over. If they do the second, they literally have to hand the Sanders campaign everything DWS and Mook accused them of stealing yesterday.

This is much worse for Clinton than Sanders. It's the political equivalent of running into the opponent's armory, stealing the grenade-pins along with their battle plans and covert operatives list and leaving out the back door. You're a thief but all the carnage of the explosion is going to be in the enemy's camp.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
44. i am torn on that one...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

i would love to see her out followed by a civil discussion by bernie and martin as the primaries roll on. OTOH, i want all their skullduggery to come out in discovery and force her out in the shame that they so deserve for subverting our democracy.

chocolate, buttercrunch, its a tough choice!

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
28. Does posting lies make you feel proud of yourself?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:00 AM
Dec 2015

There's no excuse to spread lies when you've been repeatedly shown that they're lies in other threads. What makes you think it's acceptable or a good way to promote your candidate - the proven liar?

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
31. You've posted another lie. I never called you a liar.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:05 AM
Dec 2015

I said you posted a lie. Please learn the difference before posting more lies.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. You're doing it again! Anyway, enjoy your denial world where thievery by the Sanders campaign
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:06 AM
Dec 2015

is someone else's fault. Don't let reality hit you too hard in a few months, though.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
35. That's the problem: you double down on posting lies when called out.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:09 AM
Dec 2015

At least your supporting the candidate who best reflects your actions.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
33. Single payer and free college are nice ideals, but there is no real path to them anytime soon.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:07 AM
Dec 2015

Whereas Hillary and most Dems take a more realistic approach. Bernie on has government spending as a plan, and that isn't enough. You need a private sector jobs growth plan too.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
37. Well this situation prompted this old fool to pony up some green
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:19 AM
Dec 2015

I spent most of my adult life being militantly apolitical. Even as a kid I saw the corruption of the political process. I saw two party leadership people tank progressive candidates because they put the screws to party funders.
This old fool will not tolerate politics as usual. It's time for the revolution.
Remember that quote from Kennedy? " Those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable"
I don't want to descend into violent revolution but between the madness of the Republican party and the clusterfuck of the Democratic party what choice do we have?

You soo funny, Bernie more TV time? FFS any TV time is more than he's gotten so far.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
41. Maybe Hillary should
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:08 PM
Dec 2015

there's probably a lot that has been going on behind the scenes. When it comes out Hillary will be toast.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
45. the sky is blue here....
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:17 PM
Dec 2015

what color is it in your world?

i give you an A for effort and persistence, dan!!


 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
46. His campaign will be ended soon enough
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:19 PM
Dec 2015

March 1 is Super Tuesday. On the morning of March 2nd, Sanders supporters will awake to reality.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
55. It is a good thing that you support the same old thing
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

I am happy that you enjoy the things as they are

oasis

(49,392 posts)
50. He's looking mighty weary these days.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:44 PM
Dec 2015

I can't see him maintaining the present pace of the campaign. It's only going to be a rougher ride from here.

livetohike

(22,147 posts)
54. His large ego won't allow it. All of his huge rallies are the most attention he has received
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:51 PM
Dec 2015

since Ed Schultz went off the air and he lost his nearly daily free air time.

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