Not the Democratic party.

Or knew?

But it is his campaign, and he seems to be getting some very bad advice from those around him. It wasn't so low ranking staffer as his campaign manger said. It wasn't just some accident, the downloaded data, and most of al it wasn't Clintons fault that Bernie's staff did this.

Bernie should have come out and addressed this as soon as he found out, not let a spokesman do it. I like Bernie, but he seems to have a problem with his advisers, and he should think about replacing some of them. Making Bernie the victim of his staffers crimes was a terrible idea.

That is recognized everywhere but at DU.

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They didn't just exploit data, they exploited labor by others.

IF it turns out that they stiored and used this information and IF it turns out that their actions had the support of Sanders and his top leadership (outside of the person or potentially otehr persons) you might have a point. But a lot of IFs you're are coming to premature conclusions on.

....and download all sorts of data for specific early-primary states. It wasn't just a simple "let's see how bad this is".

jumping to conclusions and reading the worst possible interpretation into things, and assuming you know more than the facts available to rush to judgement.

If it turns out to be a widespread and systemic violation of the rules, okay then we can argue about that. But right now it's just speculation and dueling theories.

You sound like a conservative still ranting about ACORN.

And your conservative dig was trite

I said on the other thread. No matter which way Clinton goes, she is still fucked.

Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, still fucked because she's got very little crossover appeal in the GE. Clinton needs more than just 18 million votes from 2008.

Will have 0 impact on the 2016 election

Well, unless you post a meme gif that annoys me!

such to the point that she's had multiple time outs for not being able to play nice with others, it's kind of a reap what you sow situation.

But it's really annoying that so many people are threatening to not for the Democratic nominee if it's Clinton because they are so deluded that this is some conspiracy on the part of the DNC that they somehow made Sanders campaign staff do this. It shows a real disconnect from reality that they are so convinced that Sanders is pure goodness and Clinton is pure evil that it's hard to take them seriously.

I hope you are at least more entertaining this time around

In missouri you don't register by party.you register to vote and then during primarys you say which party primary you want to vote
In.Yesterday I made decsion to start calling myself a liberal independent.

I just had enough of clintons and DWS.

But I figured, hey, it's just one incident, and besides, he's not going to be the nominee. Still a proud Democrat.

Someone's nose is getting longer.

where you will enjoy more congenial company and not feel the constant need to scold and condescend.

You don't have to be a Democrat to post here. Friendly hint: Check the rules before you start appointing yourself DU Sheriff. Otherwise, you might look silly.

just exactly what I am talking about.

in my heart......but I "officially" left the party months ago....I am NAV. I will support and Vote for Dems who have Earned my trust. Like you, I have lost all Faith, Trust and Confidence in what "my" party" has become over the last (for me) 5 + decades of support. I cannot support the "fuckery" that is now happening. If I were to remain a registered Dem, It is an Endorsement of what they are now. Morally, that is something I can no longer do.
It is quite liberating, actually.

it could put a Republican in the White House.

either dems or repubs

Time to stop blaming the victims

This is the hyperbole one always sees around DU during primary season. It's tiring and not reflective of a wider sentiment among party members. We tend to get overblown in our reactions to whichever of our candidates is not winning or winning, and we tend to lash out when they aren't winning. I've done it. Most of us have.

Geez....go back in the archives and search for conversations surrounding Nader or Kucinich. We came to blows then as well. I remember DUers who were going to leave the party if the true Dem Kucinich didn't win. He didn't and they didn't leave the party.

It'll pass.

After yesterday, I see no difference.

They would MUCH rather have a republican in the White House than Sanders.

Widespread disgust with the DNC's shenanigans.

For the good of the party, it's time for them to clean house.

when I registered as a Dem to try to help select a good, viable candidate.

I expect to go back to being an Independent. It's pretty clear to me that there is no democracy in the Democratic Party, and the party intends to shut down anybody other than their pre-selected, establishment, business-as-usual candidate. The corruption turns my stomach.

And this mess just added to that number. Just better hope it's not too many.

This is indeed a lopsided battle for the soul of the Democratic Party.

The Clintons and the entrenched establishment wing of the party is center-right, neoliberal and leans neocon.
Sanders represents progressivism, unionism, grassroots, justice, economic equality, and social justice.

Of course, the big money, the corporatists, bankers and Wall Street money and endorsements are flowing to Mrs. Clinton -- she represents power and power interests.

So, as we saw yesterday in the bias behavior of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Clinton-Democrat Party is not the party of genuine liberals and progressives anyway.

If the Clinton corporate machine steamrollers its way to the nomination, whatever is left of the progressive Democratic Party will be gone ... we might all as well become unaffiliated voters.

If Sanders wins his underdog battle for regular folks, then the Democrats will have a revival and renaissance the likes of which we haven't seen since FDR.

wish to be associated. I cast my first vote for a democrat in 1978 and have continued to vote for every democrat on the ballot ever since. The brand loyalty is over. The party big shots and their supporters represent too many horrible things for me to support them blindly any more.

I've been a Democrat since I voted for McGovern in'72. I've run for Congress in the past. Managed other campaigns. Worked my ass off for other candidates (only Dems), and was a member and on several committees on my DEC.

I sat through watching Harold Ford, Rahm Emmanuel, and Debbie Wasserman- Schultz fucking over every liberal candidate in Florida. Debbie Disaster went so far as to endorse her Republican "friends". I've seen their underhanded bullshit up close.

I left the party after 2007 after our majorities continued funding a war they promised to stop. They passed other regressive legislation I didn't like, and like you said, I got tired of trying to work with people I didn't like being around.

I only re-registered as a Dem, along with many disillusioned former Dems, when Bernie declared his candidacy.

my unaffiliated place after our caucus. If Bernie wins I may stay or I may stay because I am indirectly still involved with the state through friends. Wishy washy about it but this DNC thing must get straightened out.

I think you should make that into a bumper sticker. Make sure the DNC logo is there somewhere.

It seems that's what the Democratic Party is right now.

being a Democrat since 1973. When I resigned I resigned my 3 Chair seats on various local Democratic committees and resigned my member ship as an Executive Board member with the California Democratic Party. I watched from the inside what they did to Dean and how they did it and one day resigned it all. I haven't looked back.

You'd see less spittle at an anti-Obamacare Tea-party rally.

I actually think you can do a bit better.

'Stuff and nonsense' is a pretty concise summary of what's going on at DU since yesterday. DWS is finished! The DNC is about to collapse! Sanders campaign is abominable! This is all Clinton's doing!

And none of those is true. Not a single one.

The shrillness and hyperbole is impressive. Aliens visiting our world could get a thorough primer on our species by logging into DU.
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I simply will NOT vote for ANY candidate with an "R" next to their name.

Period.

They are wastes of DNA.

...but I sure as hell will not vote for some hawkish, corporate ass-kisser with a D after his/her name and whom I would not trust to pick up the turds my dog leaves. I see no difference between way too many Repukes and those with D's after their names who are not even worth of the label DINO.

I'm wondering why someone making such a flamboyant "farewell to the Party" post would want to hang out at a site dedicated to supporting such a corrupt, right-wing entity as the Democratic Party.

So will all of you new non-Dems stop trying to take over the Democratic party then with all your petitions and what not? Just asking.

Your words.

Promoting a right wing investigation into a great progressive.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026821069

I reg'd proudly as a Democrat. That was 46 years ago this last summer. I have NEVER voted for a Repuke and only one time did I pass a vote for a Dem candidate -- for a CA state senator office because I thought the Democrat running was a POS. Every GE, I proudly voted for the Dem candidate for POTUS. I first worked in a GE way back in 1960...for JFK. I have supported and worked for EVERY Democratic Party candidate for POTUS in all GEs. I will remain a Democrat through this primary. But if HRC is chosen as our candidate, things most likely will change for me. I do not find her acceptable as the symbol and choice of a party I would have sweat blood for 4 years ago. If this is what the Dem party has become...then they have left my ideals and beliefs and I will need to get out.

JMHO

We don't register by party here in Washington. But, I registered as one in California in 1965. I've sometimes voted 3rd party but also identified as a Democrat.

No more.

Still represents a set of values to me and I'm not ready to abandon it.

I'm not going to let DWS or HRC define the party for me. Not yet. If the *next* election cycle continues with this leadership, I'll certainly reconsider.

Good to now.

is so pure of heart couldn't bring themselves to vote for that Democratic Party's nominee.

And will be the next for the purge of purity unfortunately

The rightward drift of the Democratic Party since Bill Clinton was President is quite disturbing.

If Mrs. Clinton bullies her way to the nomination, it just won't be the Democratic Party of FDR and Harry Truman anymore.

Hillary Clinton will make the transition of the Democratic Party into the Repuglican Party of Richard Nixon complete.

The Wasserman Schultz debacle needs to end ... or I think there will be mass desertion of Democratic Party progressives into the unaffiliated ranks.

Very sad; the divisiveness of Clinton is once again rearing its ugly head just as it did in 2008.

please be careful - you may wind up like Manny - and I would hate to see that! You're another of my favorite DUers!!

So are you going to support a candidate for Prez?

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No more feeling hopeless because the FDR Democratic Party is no more...just accepting what is, and walking away from the hypocrisy & corruption & the disappointment of people running left & once elected, governing right in favor of Moneyed Interests over People..

So, it turns out 'nilla was right, I AM a Left Leaning Independent. And I like it!!

plan to vote for Republicans or third party.

All but about 10% of Independents/Unenrolled are partisans.

Now it's official.

Posted a hidden op about it, didn't you, tru?

I will never refer to myself as a Democrat. Forty-two years, I've identified myself as a Democrat and have voted accordingly. I'm finished with their corruption. They're just as corrupt as the GOP. That's not even a question anymore. I will vote for the most PROGRESSIVE candidate from now on and not vote 'party' affiliation.

Now that we know the Democrats are just as corrupt as the Republicans means more homework and studying candidates and their policies. None of them can be trusted, except Bernie and Elizabeth Warren.

My party affiliation: Progressive, Democratic Socialist, Commie-Pinko, Tree-Hugging, Bleeding Heart Liberal. And proud of it!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Now you are the independent voter. Let's see how they treat you.

Just so I don't have any registration errors here in California...once Bernie is elected, I'll be reregistering as an "Undeclared" voter.

his integrity. That's what has been attacked. It makes one wonder.

I think you mean to say that you are no longer a Democrat because you are are a democrat.
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I haven't self-designated as a liberal since the 3rdwayers hijacked that either.

replace and expand the the party or else people would be thinking about ways to stop the hemorrhaging.

Your post is way off the mark. Was that intentional?

I recently became a Democrat to vote in the primaries and then will be going back to being an Independent again. My party left me. I was a Democrat for over 40 years, and I even defended Bill Clinton, but after I read and digested what he did to us little people, I ended my affiliation with the Democratic Party. The party has been going downhill ever since, and away from what it once proudly stood for.

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state and county Democratic offices to act less in favor of one candidate over the other? It bothers me that most state organizations are following in the footsteps of the less than honest DNC.

The party has actually left me. At least this year I can vote in the Democratic primary.

However, if I lived in a purple state, I would still not vote for her.

I have long ago given up the ridiculous notion that my single vote will decide the outcome of any national election.,

I think some here are hoping to get more Bernie supporters tombstoned.

I have the archaic, and sometimes unpopular, notion that my vote belongs to me. Not to DU, the DNC, the Democratic Party or any party, or any candidate. Ironically, those that demand party purity accuse us of being "purists".

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

It is my vote and I will choose to vote my conscience or even not vote at all.

Teachers were laid off, class sizes increased for the year. It was bad.

I appreciate the few times I've been able to vote FOR a pres candidate, not AGAINST another but will always vote. Too many think their single vote won't matter, too many elections are decided by the minority who do vote.

Presumably your single vote might have swung a local schoolboard election but a presidential election? I've been voting since 1966 and have never seen a presidential election decided by one vote.

I wish we had more positive to vote for, but will always vote if even for 1 reason. For me, it's the SCOTUS, who gets to pick them.

I have heard for the last 40 yrs I've been voting that if enough people don't vote in protest, things will change. I have lived in a small community in AK that was run by the voting bloc, the church, and yes. Things were not comfortable for many of us.

Nationally, it pisses me off when they announce the winners before voting has closed in my western state, makes it seem our vote really doesn't count. I guess I'm too uppity though to not vote.

I am talking about me, by the way. Not you, but me, sharing my story.

I always vote. In every election. But, I'm finally giving my nose a much needed break in national elections when presented with candidates of both major parties that I find unfit for public office.

Will not matter if I do not choose to vote for the top ticket in my state. I of course will vote for the Democrats in the downfall other races. I of course would never vote for the Republicans.

and basically expressed years of utter frustration. It won't matter one whit to them, they have their corporate sponsors, but I felt great hearing them type in my comments. I shared that I was a lifelong Democrat, but cannot stand by and enable a party that obviously is in the tank for. Corporate Hawk.

What is killing the Democratic Party is not what some say is "obnoxious or over zealous Bernie Supporters". It is the corrupt embracing of Republican values and priorities. It is the corruption we witness with the DNC.

Rahm Emmanuel has a D by his name and has insulted progressive Democrats and is anything but a Democrat. DU rules would boot off anyone that refused to vote for him??? I don't get this. Can we not demand better and more Democrats?

...would NOT be allowed to post at DU.
Her endorsement of Republicans in Florida would violate DU rules.

but then again, I remember how people were allowed to shill for Charlie Crist when he ran against a dem for Senate.

Lately, however, no. We get calls and mailing stuff still. I donate directly to candidates and am in VAN as a volunteer.

Why do you ask?

You get no voice in the primary unless your primary works different than ours. I'm voting for Bernie in the primary and who knows in the general - I'll probably vote for the third party candidate whose positions are closest to mine with no concern for if they can actually win.

Both Parties.

But I wouldn't leave the party over it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025075831

I assume that survived an alert at the time.

But probably I will do the same after the election cycle is over for similar reasons. It doesn't mean I've stopped being a liberal FDR dem at heart-nothing will change that. It's just that the way I see it the democratic party just isn't that democratic anymore.

Maybe it's time for a new party perhaps?

And will vote for the Dem candidate in the GE, regardless of who that is. Clinton, O'Malley and Sanders are all SO much better than any Republican candidate. Not sure why anyone would leave the Dem party over a candidate who was never a member of the party before this year anyway.

I left years ago.

And, it does feel great.

The Obama years have finally made me reconsider this. And DWS and later team Hillary's actions in the past week all but confirmed it. But inspite of this I'll like to stay 'til the end. Besides I many not vote to the candidate BUT there are a lot of down ticket races here I will vote on. And to me that matters much, much more.

after this election, depending on who wins. If it's trajectory is going to be the same then I'm out! Florida is a closed Primary state and I must do what I have to do. AND, I do have to say that I'm finding more and more people talking the same way, We're just fed up! DLC/THIRD WAY is what I see now and I don't care WHO says it's not! I've been around long enough as a BOOMER to remember a very, very different Democratic Party.

THIS ONE IT AIN'T!

Breaks my heart to say it and I NEVER thought I would feel this way... And I say that HONESTLY, not just because of what just happened, it's been brewing for some time. There are now more Independents in my county than any other Party! Many off my Democratic friends feel the same way and WE are activists from way back! Not just some Hi & Bye neighbors. And we HAVE tried to tell our Representatives too... and we GOT NUFFIN' from them!

the party is corrupt. over and over.

You know what? In a mayoral race in fla, the candidate was not able to access the VAN file she paid for. The opponent used another source, to distance himself from the set up, we believe. The dem party has been using VAN for THEIR candidate of choice, and screwing/stacking the game against the other DEMOCRATS! How democratic is that?

I live in WA state and I am lucky enough to have a full slate of Democrats from the Gov down to my district. Yesterday I emailed each to let them know that they will not receive a penny from me from now on until Debbie is gone. As my elected officials and party leaders they need to work from within to hold her accountable and question this behavior vigorously. The only method that is reasonable is for me to hold my small finacial support at this time. I will continue to vote Democratic as it is my only logical option. I will continue to call myself a Democrat as I still support a vast majority of the party platform. People in the party need to understand that there are many of us who are watching and taking the party's leadership behavior to be very seriously questionable. This is America...Money talks...but I'm not walking!

That'll probably be equally effective...

OR, you could put away your keyboard, join the real world, and work to change the Party into the type of organization you want from the inside.